Points system on driving licenses will reduce accidents in Thailand

[Airbagwill 904]

1 hour ago, ChipButty said:

Is there any data that proves points on a license reduces RTA's? or Deaths 

Thailand's date on rod safety is nothing short of appalling in all aspects to the point where it is impossible to make a well-informed policy about any aspect of the topic.

[reargunnerph3 328]

The current cash system will always be an option to a points system. 

[masuk 2,263]

18 hours ago, dallen52 said:

(There are two kinds of offences. The first kind are minor ones that would merit fines but no points. However, if fines are not paid within a stipulated period then both a fine and points will be levied.

 

In the second group are more serious offences such as speeding, going the wrong way on the highway, passing through red lights, DUI, using phones while driving and not wearing helmets on motorcycles. 

 

Drunk driving: 3 points

Red lights: 2 points

Helmets and speeding: 1 point each

 

Repeat offenders face a three year ban and having to retake their driving test.

 

Police will post fines to people and then they have 15 days to pay up.

If they don't then the Department of Land Transport will be contacted so that fines can be paid at the DLT when tax renewal time comes. 

 

If offenders don't have enough money to pay they can still renew their tax but will get a 30 day final notice on the fine after which no tax disc can be issued.)

 

It begs believe really. 

Its baby stuff.

Lets be honest about it!!!

 

More than 6 million unpaid fines reported in the first half of the year. 

Taking a license test will be a novel experience for some.

One recent road blitz revealed 40% of drivers were unlicensed. 

28% DUI. Be it hooch or drugs. 

Hardly anyone lives at the recorded address so what's the point of mailing the infringements out?

 

There's many models around the world that can be considered. 

Drunk driving = take the license and take the vehicle. 

 

But please don't make it 500 baht and 3 wais.

 

One of the Scandinavian countries (Sweden I think)  has an automatic jailing for DUI  -  booze or drugs.  No fines, no points.  just a month or so in the slammer!!

[Airbagwill 904]

5 minutes ago, masuk said:

One of the Scandinavian countries (Sweden I think)  has an automatic jailing for DUI  -  booze or drugs.  No fines, no points.  just a month or so in the slammer!!

s Thailand doesn't even have the jail system or legal system of Sweden, they would have to set that up, which would involve major constitutional changes.

 

Taking and copying little bits from here and there just won't work.

[Dogmatix 4,029]

11 hours ago, Max69xl said:

The points won't be connected to the car,but to the driver and the drivers license.

What about the fines for offenses such as speeding and changing lanes caught on camera  that are sent by mail to the registered owner of the vehicle. Will those, particularly if left unpaid, not be applied as demerits to the licence of the owner, if he has one?  Or will camera generated fines stay as fines only without demerits? They don't automatically have the owner's driving licence details but they are issued by the same offices that issue vehicle registration.  Also, the fine notices you get by mail ask you to advise them, if someone else was driving the car, who should be held responsible for the violation.

 

Apart from companies owning cars, it is also perfectly legal for a person without a driving licence, and who never drives, to own a car, for example someone who has a driver or buys a car for family members to drive.    

[Max69xl 367]

2 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

What about the fines for offenses such as speeding and changing lanes caught on camera  that are sent by mail to the registered owner of the vehicle. Will those, particularly if left unpaid, not be applied as demerits to the licence of the owner, if he has one?  Or will camera generated fines stay as fines only without demerits? They don't automatically have the owner's driving licence details but they are issued by the same offices that issue vehicle registration.  Also, the fine notices you get by mail ask you to advise them, if someone else was driving the car, who should be held responsible for the violation.

 

Apart from companies owning cars, it is also perfectly legal for a person without a driving licence, and who never drives, to own a car, for example someone who has a driver or buys a car for family members to drive.    

If you borrow my car and get caught for speeding, should that effect me? I don't think so. In some countries in Europe traffic cams takes photos of the drivers face and the plate,but they still can't fine the owner of the car,and that's the way it should be. Let's say you rent a car and run a red light, do you think it should effect the rental company?

[Misab 56]

17 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

**** The top policeman responsible for introducing the new driving licence points system has said that the new measures will be up and running in December **** 

 

Any particular December in mind Maj-Gen Ekkarak Limsangkat ??? 

I think Police will have a problem with the new point system since a lot do not have a license 

 

[wilbuengkan 3]

The proposed points system is a joke. The proposed penalty for DUI will not discourage anyone. I come from the State of Pennsylvania, in the USA. In Pennsylvania, a DUI with a blood alcohol level of .08 to .099% gets you a $300 fine and up to 6 months probation. The second offence fine varies between $300 t0 $2,500, 5 days to 6 months in jail and a 12 month license suspension. For the third or more offence the fine varies between $500 t0 $5,000, 10 days to 2 years in prison and a 12 month license suspension.

The penalties are even harsher if the blood alcohol level is .10 of higher. 

https://www.dmv.pa.gov/Information-Centers/Laws-Regulations/Pages/DUI-Legislation.aspx

[Fred white 633]

13 hours ago, Max69xl said:

The points won't be connected to the car,but to the driver and the drivers license.

But if it's done by red light or speed cameras the only information they will have is the car registration

[Fred white 633]

1 hour ago, Max69xl said:

If you borrow my car and get caught for speeding, should that effect me? I don't think so. In some countries in Europe traffic cams takes photos of the drivers face and the plate,but they still can't fine the owner of the car,and that's the way it should be. Let's say you rent a car and run a red light, do you think it should effect the rental company?

There was a case in Atlanta where they gave a ticket to someone for running a red light this was based on a camera he had to take time to go to court to prove it wasn't him the picture didn't show a good picture of the plate so they just guessed it was his but it wasn't even the same kind of car

[Fred white 633]

4 hours ago, Darkside Gray said:

So if I get caught drunk driving 4 times I lose my licence fo 9o days. Hardly a deterrent!

If you're a falong million BHT fine 5 years jail deportation and black list

[Max69xl 367]

14 minutes ago, Fred white said:

But if it's done by red light or speed cameras the only information they will have is the car registration

Yes, but this is a 12 point system affecting the actual driver and his license. The reason is to hopefully decrease accidents.

[Vacuum 11,438]

On 8/14/2019 at 4:46 AM, luk AJ said:

Speeding is a problem for me

Then you shouldn't be on the roads.

[Vacuum 11,438]

On 8/14/2019 at 4:58 AM, GarryP said:

On a visit upcountry, I was stopped by the police at a temporary check point and was shocked that most other people stopped did not even have a license. Not just motorbike riders, but car drivers too. Its insane.

Having a license is just a way for the authorities to sort out people who are color blind. Nothing to do with driving ability.

[Airbagwill 904]

3 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

What about the fines for offenses such as speeding and changing lanes caught on camera  that are sent by mail to the registered owner of the vehicle. Will those, particularly if left unpaid, not be applied as demerits to the licence of the owner, if he has one?  Or will camera generated fines stay as fines only without demerits? They don't automatically have the owner's driving licence details but they are issued by the same offices that issue vehicle registration.  Also, the fine notices you get by mail ask you to advise them, if someone else was driving the car, who should be held responsible for the violation.

 

Apart from companies owning cars, it is also perfectly legal for a person without a driving licence, and who never drives, to own a car, for example someone who has a driver or buys a car for family members to drive.    

Most cameras now take a photo of the driver, but of course Thai cars have a heavy tined glass.

In UK the  owner is obliged by law to say who was driving....the fines for not declaring this are even higher than the original motoring offence.

most fleet owners use log books or similar to say who is driving.

 

I'd suggest that it is pretty clear that Thailand has nothing approaching the infrastructure, legal system or personel trained to administer any of this.

Edited August 15 by Airbagwill