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Traffic in Thailand is among the deadlist in the world. Each day 71 people die on Thai roads. The point system will not change much, because half of the drivers have no licence. Even if enforced. Corruption still exists also with the point system. So little or nothing will change.

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5 hours ago, AloisAmrein said:

Traffic in Thailand is among the deadlist in the world. Each day 71 people die on Thai roads. The point system will not change much, because half of the drivers have no licence. Even if enforced. Corruption still exists also with the point system. So little or nothing will change.

Yes another knee-jerk observation.

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I would like to hear how the points system is going to reduce accidents?  How about trying 'policing the roads' as other countries do!!

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6 minutes ago, pattayadgw said:

I would like to hear how the points system is going to reduce accidents?  How about trying 'policing the roads' as other countries do!!

again these comments indicate a lack of understanding of the issues.

It is extremely unlikely that either of your suggestions would apply to Thailand and you don't even seem to realise they are inextricably linked.

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I have some ideas to reduce the number of accidents and deaths on thai roads;

for example the speed limit in all towns in Thailand is 80 km/h :1zgarz5:;

it's really too much;

At 50 km/h you need almost 42 meters to stop on dry ground and much more on wet ground so many downtown in Europe have a speed limit at 30 km/h;

even at 30 km/h you need 28 meters to stop .

 

Lille is a big city in the north of France ;

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lille

 

" It will now lift the foot if you drive in Lille. Starting this Monday, the city sets up the generalization of zone 30 in (almost) all streets. Every Monday, until 21 October, a new part of the town will go from 50 to 30 km / h. According to La Voix du Nord, 88% of Lille's streets will be affected by this measure. The goal: to avoid accidents, to reduce pollution, to reduce noise pollution and to encourage people in Lille to turn to soft mobility and public transport. "

 

https://www.20minutes.fr/lille/2585347-20190819-lille-vitesse-maximale-ville-passe-50-30-kmh

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21 minutes ago, Assurancetourix said:

I have some ideas to reduce the number of accidents and deaths on thai roads;

for example the speed limit in all towns in Thailand is 80 km/h :1zgarz5:;

it's really too much;

At 50 km/h you need almost 42 meters to stop on dry ground and much more on wet ground so many downtown in Europe have a speed limit at 30 km/h;

even at 30 km/h you need 28 meters to stop .

 

Lille is a big city in the north of France ;

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lille

 

" It will now lift the foot if you drive in Lille. Starting this Monday, the city sets up the generalization of zone 30 in (almost) all streets. Every Monday, until 21 October, a new part of the town will go from 50 to 30 km / h. According to La Voix du Nord, 88% of Lille's streets will be affected by this measure. The goal: to avoid accidents, to reduce pollution, to reduce noise pollution and to encourage people in Lille to turn to soft mobility and public transport. "

 

https://www.20minutes.fr/lille/2585347-20190819-lille-vitesse-maximale-ville-passe-50-30-kmh

I suggest to the honorable member to stay in Lille if he wants to live in an atmosphere of control and generalized tickets as in France.

 

Thailand is still a country where life is good. It will stay so, if decision makers don't listen to the simplistic advice you provide.

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5 hours ago, GarryP said:

Not everyone is as well informed as you about the subject at hand, but surely they still have a right to comment on the problem

Quite frankly no.

Firstly is what is the value of a comment made from the basis of ignorance? I would suggest very little, in fact it probably has a negative effect as I've pointed out before. There is a fallacy that "everyone is entitled to an opinion" that I notice is commonly held by those without and opinion. They voice comments that actually don't qualify as opinion at all - Opinion is based on evidence logic and reason - as they have no knowledge of any of this it hardly qualifies as opinion does it?

 

Secondly as I've pointed out these comments are a symptom in themselves of the ignorance that surrounds the general publics awareness of road safety issues. This ignorance spreads right through Thai society, expats and those in authority as well and until people grasp the reality then no progress will be made

 

Just because I point out the fallacies and failings of someone's post it does not mean I'm being condescending either, on the contrary it says more about the person who makes an ill-informed post and then objects to having this pointed out.

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2 hours ago, Victornoir said:

Thailand is still a country where life is good.

...and cheap apparently. Do you find the road casualties in Thailand OK, then?

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3 hours ago, Assurancetourix said:

I have some ideas to reduce the number of accidents and deaths on thai roads;

for example the speed limit in all towns in Thailand is 80 km/h :1zgarz5:;

it's really too much;

At 50 km/h you need almost 42 meters to stop on dry ground and much more on wet ground so many downtown in Europe have a speed limit at 30 km/h;

even at 30 km/h you need 28 meters to stop .

 

Lille is a big city in the north of France ;

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lille

 

" It will now lift the foot if you drive in Lille. Starting this Monday, the city sets up the generalization of zone 30 in (almost) all streets. Every Monday, until 21 October, a new part of the town will go from 50 to 30 km / h. According to La Voix du Nord, 88% of Lille's streets will be affected by this measure. The goal: to avoid accidents, to reduce pollution, to reduce noise pollution and to encourage people in Lille to turn to soft mobility and public transport. "

 

https://www.20minutes.fr/lille/2585347-20190819-lille-vitesse-maximale-ville-passe-50-30-kmh

"or example the speed limit in all towns in Thailand is 80 km/h"

incorrect, they are as follows....

  • Town and city: 60 km/h.
  • Open Roads: 90 km/h.
  • Motorways: 120 km/h.

 

furthermore many people, in particular expats are not aware that expressways have an 80km/h limit and many of the roads they consider to be "motorways" are not. At present there is a HIGHWAY network of about 66,000 km of an overall total of 380,000. Of this Motorways represent less than 200 km. There are plans to expand this ten-fold but they are but plans - in the mean time the major industrial regions rely on deadly unsafe highways.

 

You may have noticed too the introduction, albeit rather haphazardly, of the French-style village speed limits - especially round schools and temples.

the problem with this as well as any other speed limits is that they have to be researched first and then clearly marked out on the roads bot in signs and road markings. As the Thai roads are so poorly designed a uniform and constant system is yet to be introduced and will be almost impossible to be enforced without major road reconstruction.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

...and cheap apparently. Do you find the road casualties in Thailand OK, then?

Easy demagoguery.

Obviously, everyone laments the victims.
But those diying on the road are largely drunk drivers of two wheels, without driving license.
The license itself can be obtained without knowledge of basic safety rules. Priority rules, for example, are almost non-existent.
And so the multiplication of prohibitions, controls and penalties is really putting the cart before the horse.

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1 hour ago, Airbagwill said:

Quite frankly no.

Firstly is what is the value of a comment made from the basis of ignorance? I would suggest very little, in fact it probably has a negative effect as I've pointed out before. There is a fallacy that "everyone is entitled to an opinion" that I notice is commonly held by those without and opinion. They voice comments that actually don't qualify as opinion at all - Opinion is based on evidence logic and reason - as they have no knowledge of any of this it hardly qualifies as opinion does it?

 

Secondly as I've pointed out these comments are a symptom in themselves of the ignorance that surrounds the general publics awareness of road safety issues. This ignorance spreads right through Thai society, expats and those in authority as well and until people grasp the reality then no progress will be made

 

Just because I point out the fallacies and failings of someone's post it does not mean I'm being condescending either, on the contrary it says more about the person who makes an ill-informed post and then objects to having this pointed out.

I'd say at least half the comments shared in threads on Thai visa are ill informed. I suppose that is a reason I only see you on threads such as this one - you only share on something of which you have in depth knowledge. A bit boring but understandable. 

 

As to condescension, perhaps from your exalted position you do not realize how disdainful of others' input your comments appear to be. Let me see if I can find an example. Oh, yes, the quote above. 

 

Finally, please do keep commenting and giving insight on this subject, as perhaps one day, we "ignorant" folk will start to learn from you what truly needs to be done. In the meantime I bow down before your unparalleled knowledge of all things road-safety related.

 

PS still waiting for a pointer to some of your more detailed posts as I am interested in reading about solutions to the problem.      

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2 hours ago, Victornoir said:

But those diying on the road are largely drunk drivers of two wheels, without driving license.

QED people prepared to make a fallacious comment with no real idea of what is actuall6 happening... 

 

BTW drunk and unlicenced drivers have a tenency to kill other innocent people as well as themselves

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1 hour ago, GarryP said:

perhaps one day, we "ignorant" folk will start to learn from you what truly needs to be done

I have said time and again that to avoid posting on something about which you know nothing the answer is get informed.

I'm not the teacher, at least not on this thread...if people are interested or wish to comment on a topic its up to them get informed.  If they find the topic boring then find something else to talk about.

As i said it is the appalling lack of the most basic understanding by the general public expats and the Thai authorities that significantly contributes to Thailand's dreadful road safety record.

Just a little research ( there is a difference between search and research) a touch of critical thinking and we would see a sea-change is the inane, baseless often racist comments that litter these threads on road safety. 

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