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1 hour ago, GarryP said:

detailed posts as I am interested in reading about solutions to the problem

See above

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40 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

I have said time and again that to avoid posting on something about which you know nothing the answer is get informed.

I'm not the teacher, at least not on this thread...if people are interested or wish to comment on a topic its up to them get informed.  If they find the topic boring then find something else to talk about.

As i said it is the appalling lack of the most basic understanding by the general public expats and the Thai authorities that significantly contributes to Thailand's dreadful road safety record.

Just a little research ( there is a difference between search and research) a touch of critical thinking and we would see a sea-change is the inane, baseless often racist comments that litter these threads on road safety. 

Ok men that's enough take a beer and chill

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555. P my pants reading this whooper! Try enacting traffic law enforcement, mentioned for the millionth time!

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How long does it take without an offense to earn points back? 

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Points system worked miracles in France, but people respect the laws and the laws are honestly enforced.

 

In Thailand, no matter how harsh the laws are, nothing will change as the supreme judgement is the Bhat in ca$H.

 

Fight against Police corruption to decrease road deaths ... all the other steps in harsher laws are just a laughing stock as everybody knows what's going on behind the brown uniforms....

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10 hours ago, Almer said:

Ok men that's enough take a beer and chill

It would seem the irony of taking a break from discussing road safety to drink alcohol has been missed by some.

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14 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

"or example the speed limit in all towns in Thailand is 80 km/h"

incorrect, they are as follows....

  • Town and city: 60 km/h.
  • Open Roads: 90 km/h.
  • Motorways: 120 km/h.

No motorways in my province but ....I hope you can read these road marks :

 

45 km/h for trucks with a lorry

60 km'h for trucks alone and buses

80 km/h for cars and motorcycles

 

( and curiously you never see a pickup on these panels;
I suppose that their speed is not limited? :crazy:

 

entrance of a village ( rd 2091 )

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Entrance of an Amphoe ( Charoen Sin ) ; rd 2280

 

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2 hours ago, Assurancetourix said:

No motorways in my province but ....I hope you can read these road marks :

 

45 km/h for trucks with a lorry

60 km'h for trucks alone and buses

80 km/h for cars and motorcycles

 

( and curiously you never see a pickup on these panels;
I suppose that their speed is not limited? :crazy:

 

entrance of a village ( rd 2091 )

P1070884_speed_limits.thumb.JPG.e0612afeae3eb3683ef23d1b5a99bd4c.JPG

 

Entrance of an Amphoe ( Charoen Sin ) ; rd 2280

 

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is this road coming from a national boarder crossing?

Firstly one notes the sign is on the wrong side of the road. 

Which would be potentially dangerous for LHD vehicles just arriving.

It is also just a reiteration  of national  vehicular speed restrictions, probably erected by a local nabob in response to an accident black spot.

These signs are erected largely at random there is no consistent nation policy....

you can see too that unless it is regularly maintained it will quickly become obscured by the surrounding vegetation.

 

(I presume by "lorry" you mean "trailer"?)

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4 hours ago, Assurancetourix said:

No motorways in my province but ....I hope you can read these road marks :

 

45 km/h for trucks with a lorry

60 km'h for trucks alone and buses

80 km/h for cars and motorcycles

 

( and curiously you never see a pickup on these panels;
I suppose that their speed is not limited? :crazy:

 

entrance of a village ( rd 2091 )

P1070884_speed_limits.thumb.JPG.e0612afeae3eb3683ef23d1b5a99bd4c.JPG

 

Entrance of an Amphoe ( Charoen Sin ) ; rd 2280

 

P8010228_rd_2280_speed_limits_in_town.thumb.JPG.192c51ff0356964d9e1d4665f8aab43b.JPG

 

Usely pick ups are treated same as cars of course if they are over loaded like most are then it should be 60 like the big trucks are

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59 minutes ago, Fred white said:

Usely pick ups are treated same as cars of course if they are over loaded like most are then it should be 60 like the big trucks are

Many countries used to have loaded and unloaded speed limits on commercial vehicles - but of course in Thailand you have the same perennial problem of enforcement.

In UK ALL commercial vehicles had a 40 mph limit, but I think that was reviewed as it applied to small vans and pickups - it may even still apply on non motorway roads.......how many prosecutions is another matter....if the UK can't enforce it, I don't see Thailand having much success.

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2 hours ago, GarryP said:

Here's a good New York Times article on Thai road safety which was published earlier this month: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/19/world/asia/thailand-inequality-road-fatalities.html

Yes I rad that Doesn't say anything we don't already know, but it does highlight the rich/poor divide which the WHO emphasis in its reports. The problem is that Thailand isn't a poor country but it does have the world's third greatest rich poor divide after India and Russia.

The reason for taking kids and families on motorbikes 4 or 5 at a time makes more sense when you realise these people have no option....unlike the farangs you see doing this - they are just plain irresponsible.

 

I particularly like the comment ......

"W.H.O. “Whether it’s cars or motorcycles or pedestrians, the safety of all users of roads must be considered, regardless of income level.”

most critics of Thai road safety don't consider this.....they think there is some innate racial stupidity in the people of Thailand - which of course is a totally racist concept and therefore fallacious.

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On 8/15/2019 at 9:46 AM, Vacuum said:

...and still haven't learned?

It's impossible to avoid. 

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here is some research being carried out into the enforcement of speeding restrictions in Khon Kaen. - it looks like a serious effort, but it does show up some problems

 

"Automated speed control on urban arterial road: An experience from Khon Kaen City, Thailand..."

 

"The objective of this study is to evaluate the efficiency and effectiveness of the implemented pro- ject. The results indicated that this project decreased vehicle speed by 9.6% and increased the efficiency of the speed limit enforcement program six to eight times. Accidents, injuries, and fatalities rates decreased by 5.8%, 7.7%, and 34.3%, respectively. These outcomes prove the efficiency of the first stage of this speed control project in the context of developing cities." - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590198219300326

 

This stretch of road is an eightlane dual carriageway with frontage roads as well and some of the usual centre U-turns.

It also shows how important lane markings and signage are before any speed restrictions can be enforced...... and of course a fully trained admin to oversee....... this at present would be inapplicable on a nationwide basis in Thailand.

 

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