BestB Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 5 hours ago, Tony125 said: 2 things, I think the new findings show it's maybe 1/3 to 1/2 as bad as smoking . Secondly ciggarette smoking took decades to damgae lungs and show cancer deaths. These vaping reports of deaths and damage to lungs are showing up in months or a year or so of starting vaping not decades. Seemingly causing lung damage much faster than the ciggaretts although not nescessarily cancer. No idea where you getting your information from, but after smoking a few packs of cigs tar is already visible. What lung damage are you referring to? has there been any definitive study to show lung damage caused by vaping? You state 1/3 to 1/2 as bad, so admitting its better that smoking or what are you saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony125 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 On 8/24/2019 at 9:55 PM, BestB said: No idea where you getting your information from, but after smoking a few packs of cigs tar is already visible. What lung damage are you referring to? has there been any definitive study to show lung damage caused by vaping? You state 1/3 to 1/2 as bad, so admitting its better that smoking or what are you saying? https://patch.com/west-virginia/across-wv/years-ago-wv-doctor-linked-mysterious-lung-disease-vaping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Tony125 said: https://patch.com/west-virginia/across-wv/years-ago-wv-doctor-linked-mysterious-lung-disease-vaping Did you read how doctors arrived at the conclusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony125 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 14 minutes ago, BestB said: Did you read how doctors arrived at the conclusion? Here this should make you happy, if you vape using legal vape machines with premium liquids containing low to medium nicotine amounts then vaping is much safer than smoking regular cigarettes and can help smokers satisfy their nicotine addiction without damaging their lungs. However, if you are young and dumb and try to use cheap blackmarket devices throwing in Canabis oil, mariquana or whatever then you may have problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Tony125 said: Here this should make you happy, if you vape using legal vape machines with premium liquids containing low to medium nicotine amounts then vaping is much safer than smoking regular cigarettes and can help smokers satisfy their nicotine addiction without damaging their lungs. However, if you are young and dumb and try to use cheap blackmarket devices throwing in Canabis oil, mariquana or whatever then you may have problems. So you did not read and now confirming what others have been saying? what are black market devices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony125 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/26/2019 at 3:29 PM, BestB said: So you did not read and now confirming what others have been saying? what are black market devices? The first link below explain what Black Market devices are. 1. https://fee.org/articles/street-vapes-are-not-e-cigarettes/ 2. https://www.yahoo.com/news/investigators-rush-trace-vaping-products-084037876.html 3. https://marketrealist.com/2019/08/vaping-warning-cdc-should-worry-cannabis-players/?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=feed&yptr=yahoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony125 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Vaping safer than ciggaretts but worse if vaping THC oil https://www.yahoo.com/news/five-vaping-facts-worse-thc-103006899.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony125 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 On 8/26/2019 at 3:29 PM, BestB said: So you did not read and now confirming what others have been saying? what are black market devices? In my post #67 the link explains what Black Market devices are. I agree that properly used e cigs are less dangerous than smoking regular cigaretts and can help smokers quit smoking, however it seems to be causing serious problems with young adults who throw all kinds of stuff in them to vape. These reports are not about mature adults vaping but teenagers or young adults using and suffering reactions. Top Boston lung doctors, advocates sound the alarm on emerging vape crisis https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/top-boston-lung-doctors-advocates-sound-the-alarm-on-emerging-vape-crisis/ar-AAGtm4d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony125 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 As I ststed above seemes far les harmful for adults who are trying to quit smoking but hadzarus to kids and young adults who are abusing the use of vape devices. Also the nicotine addictive to kids who use ecigs https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/mom-of-teen-with-vaping-addiction-warns-parents-about-the-dangers-of-ecigarettes-its-stealth-by-design-221537120.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 26 minutes ago, Tony125 said: As I ststed above seemes far les harmful for adults who are trying to quit smoking but hadzarus to kids and young adults who are abusing the use of vape devices. Also the nicotine addictive to kids who use ecigs https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/mom-of-teen-with-vaping-addiction-warns-parents-about-the-dangers-of-ecigarettes-its-stealth-by-design-221537120.html So now you agree vaping is better than smoking but want to argue vaping is bad for kids because they misuse it? tell me how is smoking for the sane kids? And how much less addictive is the nicotine in cigs for the same kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony125 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Bad link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony125 Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 On 8/24/2019 at 9:41 PM, ThomasThBKK said: No it doesn't, all that <deleted> is from blackmarket thc cartridges. Why don't you just stop lying? Might make your life easier. https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Unlicensed-marijuana-vaping-products-eyed-in-20-14369013.php https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/vaping-concerns-trump-says-administration-will-propose-banning-e-cigarette-flavors/vi-AAH9zJG https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/state-health-officials-sound-alarm-on-vaping-illnesses/ar-AAH9QVC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony125 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 8/30/2019 at 6:56 PM, BestB said: So now you agree vaping is better than smoking but want to argue vaping is bad for kids because they misuse it? tell me how is smoking for the sane kids? And how much less addictive is the nicotine in cigs for the same kids? https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/baker-bans-vapes-declares-public-health-emergency/ar-AAHN3Q8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony125 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 On 9/25/2019 at 11:56 AM, Tony125 said: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/baker-bans-vapes-declares-public-health-emergency/ar-AAHN3Q8 https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/16-year-old-with-permanent-lung-damage-warns-others-about-vaping/ar-AAIihbX?li=BBnba9O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Tony125 said: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/16-year-old-with-permanent-lung-damage-warns-others-about-vaping/ar-AAIihbX?li=BBnba9O What are trying to tell me ? Vaping illegally made cannabis oil is bad for you? Yeah pretty obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony125 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/5/2019 at 10:11 AM, BestB said: What are trying to tell me ? Vaping illegally made cannabis oil is bad for you? Yeah pretty obvious 25 Ways Vapaing affects your body https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/25-things-vaping-does-to-your-body/ss-AAIE4Sf?li=BBnb7Kz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tony125 said: 25 Ways Vapaing affects your body https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/25-things-vaping-does-to-your-body/ss-AAIE4Sf?li=BBnb7Kz Who is Leah Groth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 On 8/16/2019 at 1:20 PM, Tony125 said: The main cause of the cancers is nicotine, makes no difference how you get it into your lungs--vapor or smoke. One of the most misinformed things I've ever read on this forum and that's saying something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony125 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 25 minutes ago, BestB said: Who is Leah Groth? If you don't care to read the articles because your mind is made up don't comment on them. Leah Groth is a health reporter for Microsoft News and quotes the various Doctors and Studies that her information comes from on each page of the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, Tony125 said: If you don't care to read the articles because your mind is made up don't comment on them. Leah Groth is a health reporter for Microsoft News and quotes the various Doctors and Studies that her information comes from on each page of the article. So sorry i do not jump on any piece of junk written by nobody and posted on internet as a fact, but you welcome to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony125 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 5 Things We Still Don’t Know About Those Vaping-Related Hospitalizations https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/lung-health/5-things-we-still-dont-know-about-those-vaping-related-hospitalizations/ar-AAGsJA1?li=BBnba9O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Just now, Tony125 said: 5 Things We Still Don’t Know About Those Vaping-Related Hospitalizations https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/lung-health/5-things-we-still-dont-know-about-those-vaping-related-hospitalizations/ar-AAGsJA1?li=BBnba9O Give it a break already,getting tiresome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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