'Collaborators' are undermining Britain's Brexit bet, PM says

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, thirdleg said:

If the American Irish even hint at meddling in the trade agreement, Britain will crush Ireland and turn it into wasteland

I've read some empty predictions in my times, but yours rivals the vacuity of outer space.

[bristolboy]

Just now, thirdleg said:

Brexit will not undermine the GFA, end of story, absolute red herring and you know it

Thank you for your reasoned explanation.

[thirdleg]

Just now, stephenterry said:

Perhaps you'd like to read this before rectifying your incorrect assertion, and impolite reference to posters on this forum.

 

https://www.thebritishacademy.ac.uk/sites/default/files/TheGoodFridayAgreementBrexitandRights_0.pdf

I've read it many times, hardly mentions anything about borders.

 

What does the Good Friday Agreement say about a hard border?

A lot less than you might think. The only place in which it alludes to infrastructure at the border is in the section on security.

During the Troubles there were heavily fortified army barracks, police stations and watchtowers along the border. They were frequently attacked by Republican paramilitaries.

Part of the peace deal involved the UK government agreeing to a process of removing those installations in what became known as "demilitarisation".

The agreement states that "the development of a peaceful environment... can and should mean a normalisation of security arrangements and practices."

The government committed to "as early a return as possible to normal security arrangements in Northern Ireland, consistent with the level of threat".

That included "the removal of security installations". That is as far as the text goes.

[thirdleg]

Just now, bristolboy said:

Thank you for your reasoned explanation.

You are welcome

[tomacht8]

26 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

The mandate for Brexit does not come from parliament, it comes from the people.

 

 

Parliaments job is to execute that mandate.

Parliament is the necessary realistic corrective of popular will.

What is the best that is feasible for a country?

Realism, feasibility, affordability, future suitability, consistency, security must be weighed. And there is no need to hurry, the UK is not in a war.

 

If it goes for the sake of the people, all taxes would have to be abolished, each one gets a house for free and 1 million on the account as Gift.

 

And after more than 3 years of chaos I have my doubts if there is even a majority for a No Deal brexit.

 

A responsible leader would want to check that in the population and parliament.

 

Brexit is not a decision to pay £ 10 more childrenmoney, but has decades long impacts on the population.

 

 

[bristolboy]

Just now, thirdleg said:

I've read it many times, hardly mentions anything about borders.

 

What does the Good Friday Agreement say about a hard border?

A lot less than you might think. The only place in which it alludes to infrastructure at the border is in the section on security.

During the Troubles there were heavily fortified army barracks, police stations and watchtowers along the border. They were frequently attacked by Republican paramilitaries.

Part of the peace deal involved the UK government agreeing to a process of removing those installations in what became known as "demilitarisation".

The agreement states that "the development of a peaceful environment... can and should mean a normalisation of security arrangements and practices."

The government committed to "as early a return as possible to normal security arrangements in Northern Ireland, consistent with the level of threat".

That included "the removal of security installations". That is as far as the text goes.

But what made the border a non issue is the fact that there was free trade between Eire and the UK. Had there not been free trade, that would have been an insurmountable obstacle.

[NanLaew]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

"Shameful language of fascism and authoritarianism from liar Johnson + unelected advisors - plain and simple. European neighbours are our friends not 'enemy' to 'collaborate' with," Labour lawmaker Stephen Doughty said on Twitter.

The Honorable Member of Parliament for Cardiff South and Penarth has only been in the house since 2012 and thus never part of a seated labour government so that hardly makes him a 'lawmaker' does it?

 

Anyway, Boris's back-room boys have made a brilliant choice to use an originally French word for Quisling that in turn is a Norwegian term meaning Hammond.

[kingdong]

5 minutes ago, Opl said:

If so, then let EUs negotiate directly with the U.S...

when did the usa join the eu? a silly answer to a silly post.

[brokenbone]

2 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

"...'Collaborators' are undermining Britain's Brexit bet, PM says..."

 

"Collaborators"? Really? Why not label your opponents 'Traitorous Back-Stabbers'? Or 'Enemies of the State'? Or go on about how they have 'Betrayed the People'? Or worse (history can provide some of the more vile and odious phraseology)?

 

 

its the internet age, the modus operandi today

is to call someone troll or nazi at any sight of disagreement

[thirdleg]

Just now, Dumbastheycome said:

Maybe a confirmation of fears about the unemployment  outcome?

wages rising and low unemployment in the UK

All whilst being undermined on a daily basis by these remainer quislings aka puppets for Juncker and his cohorts 

[bristolboy]

4 minutes ago, thirdleg said:

Wonder why there are so many UK based people posting about Brexit on Thaivisa.

It's the middle of the night, don't people have jobs to get up for?

Or maybe they can't sleep because they're concerned that they won't get to visit Eire before it's turned into a wasteland.

[thirdleg]

3 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Or maybe they can't sleep because they're concerned that they won't get to visit Eire before it's turned into a wasteland.

What a shame

[Dumbastheycome]

Just now, bristolboy said:

Or maybe they can't sleep because they're concerned that they won't get to visit Eire before it's turned into a wasteland.

The Irish Republicans I know and their forebears are a very hardy lot. It's the Northerners who will suffer  the pinch IMO.

[Bluespunk]

24 minutes ago, thirdleg said:

She's talking about if Brexit undermines the GFA.

Brexit has nothing to do with the GFA, how many times do people on this forum need to be told. It's like an echo chamber for frothing simpletons

Utter nonsense. 

[Joe Mcseismic]

20 minutes ago, thirdleg said:

If the American Irish even hint at meddling in the trade agreement, Britain will crush Ireland and turn it into wasteland

How will they do that then?

Cromwell died a few hundred years ago.

[thirdleg]

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

Utter nonsense. 

I'd love to know how she is going to quantify how the GFA has been undermined!

She's an absolute babbling joke who causes unlimited damage on a daily basis

[stephenterry]

2 minutes ago, thirdleg said:

I've read it many times, hardly mentions anything about borders.

 

What does the Good Friday Agreement say about a hard border?

A lot less than you might think. The only place in which it alludes to infrastructure at the border is in the section on security.

During the Troubles there were heavily fortified army barracks, police stations and watchtowers along the border. They were frequently attacked by Republican paramilitaries.

Part of the peace deal involved the UK government agreeing to a process of removing those installations in what became known as "demilitarisation".

The agreement states that "the development of a peaceful environment... can and should mean a normalisation of security arrangements and practices."

The government committed to "as early a return as possible to normal security arrangements in Northern Ireland, consistent with the level of threat".

That included "the removal of security installations". That is as far as the text goes.

Try reading the section regarding 'freedom of movement'. That is a Brexit effect.

 

To further state that Brexit won't affect the GFA is complete rubbish, as is any other assertion regarding the non-impact of Brexit on anywhere within the UK - consequences following ANY Brexit action - as you have already identified relating to security arrangements in Ireland.

 

Hopefully the Brexit impact will not give rise to civil war breaking out - but it only needs a misunderstanding, e.g. a border clash, to light the fuse.

 

To think otherwise is not thinking at all.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, thirdleg said:

Utter nonsense

You are clearly unable to understand the complexity of the Good Friday Agreement and resort to trolling to cover up your inadequate grasp of it. 

[Opl]

16 minutes ago, kingdong said:

when did the usa join the eu? a silly answer to a silly post.

You confuse the causes and consequences ...

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, thirdleg said:

I'd love to know how she is going to quantify how the GFA has been undermined!

She's an absolute babbling joke who causes unlimited damage on a daily basis

The govt of Eire has made it clear how brexit threatens the Good Friday Agreement. She will, unlike you, be able to work it out. 

[soalbundy]

23 minutes ago, thirdleg said:

If the American Irish even hint at meddling in the trade agreement, Britain will crush Ireland and turn it into wasteland

I thought you were dead Cromwell

[tomacht8]

17 minutes ago, thirdleg said:

Wonder why there are so many UK based people posting about Brexit on Thaivisa.

It's the middle of the night, don't people have jobs to get up for?

Maybe they do Not have the money anymore for long Black Hair, long legs night Entertainment. The weak pound is causing problems for many.

[Joe Mcseismic]

1 minute ago, thirdleg said:

economically, undercut all their tax breaks and stop all imports.

 

It was William of Orange who gave the paddies a good kick up the arse!

Eh? How does the UK stop imports?

And of course whichever party cuts the tax breaks will pay dearly at the next general election.

Yes, King Billy did damage at the battle of the Boyne, but Cromwell was far worse.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts reported and removed.  

 

[nausea]

'Collaborators' are undermining Britain's Brexit bet, ...".

Reminds me of Vichy France, we'll be talking about the Attentistes next. Ridiculous misuse of language.

[Chomper Higgot]

25 minutes ago, thirdleg said:

All remainers are quislings

Joined July 29 and straight into spewing invectives.

 

Odd!

[thirdleg]

If the GFA was such a huge issue why don't Sinn Fein put their bums on seats in parliament for the good of the country. 

Swearing allegiance to the Queen is a small price to pay surely?

[Jip99]

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

Parliament's job is to do whatever the elected MPs tell it to do, not some concoction made up by Brexiteers.

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The scars of losing the referendum run deep in you, don't they.

[david555]

30 minutes ago, thirdleg said:

Wonder why there are so many UK based people posting about Brexit on Thaivisa.

It's the middle of the night, don't people have jobs to get up for?

it is 9 clock now in Thailand they call that breakfast time ….. yeah.. forgot only U.K. is important ….. how could I forget that ...

[Jip99]

37 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Thank you for your reasoned explanation.

 

 

Better than most that you have ever put forward.