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1 minute ago, WorriedNoodle said:

In English a possess something is to own it? Is it something different in legal jargon when it comes to property? Otherwise the possessor=owner is the one with the name on chanote isn't it?

See the above posts by UbonJoe. He really knows about these things (as opposed to most of the rest of us).

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3 hours ago, spambot said:

Thanks UbonJoe - Just to be clear since it does show as an option (on the description of the app) for IOS - But as you show there is is no actual option when using  the online (browser) from the screen capture that you have provided - Then there is no option for an occupier to use ANY online system (yet) - Is this correct?

ALL  LIES just ask HQ Io theyll put you straight for sure, Wife  even spoke with big  boss there and he said  everything works  just fine.........Wife was  holding a  handful of TM30 papers  at the time that she couldnt sort out due to it NOT WORKING

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50 minutes ago, offset said:

I am a little bit confused about using the internet for doing the TM 30, if you have to file a TM 30 for yourself you will have to go to the Immigration to file a TM 28 for yourself anyway so why not do both at the same time, or have I missed that you can do the TM 28 on the internet too

There is no enforcement of TM28 filing, not sure why people even mention it, immigration will not ask you for one and you can do a TM30 irrespective of whether a TM28 has been lodged.

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41 minutes ago, WorriedNoodle said:

In English to possess something is to own it? Is it something different in legal jargon when it comes to property? Otherwise the possessor=owner is the one with the name on chanote isn't it?

Not according to the dictionary and specifically its use in Law
 
pos·ses·sor
/pəˈzesər/
noun
 
  1.  
    • LAW
      a person who takes, occupies, or holds something without necessarily having ownership, or as distinguished from the owner.
       
      The definition in the immigration act says the same
      “House Master” means any persons who is the chief possessor of a house , whether in the capacity of owner , tenant , or in any other capacity whatsoever , in accordance with the law on people act.
Edited by Peterw42

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I asked yesterday at Hua Him Immigration if it was needed that I do a TM28 every time I returned after a trip away (out of province or returning from abroad), I was told that I had to do within 24 hrs or I could be fined, I said the my condo did the reporting of my TM 30 and he said that was not my problem but the TM 28 was my problem, was she mistaken

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2 minutes ago, offset said:

I asked yesterday at Hua Him Immigration if it was needed that I do a TM28 every time I returned after a trip away (out of province or returning from abroad), I was told that I had to do within 24 hrs or I could be fined, I said the my condo did the reporting of my TM 30 and he said that was not my problem but the TM 28 was my problem, was she mistaken

It cant possibly be correct, otherwise everyone who stays at a hotel would also need to do a TM28 for the hotel stay.

A good chance they misunderstood and were referring to TM30 requirements.

Maybe others fron Hua Hin can confirm but there is no enforcement or fines for not doing a TM28 and immigration offices are not asking for one to do 90 day/extensions.

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6 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

It cant possibly be correct, otherwise everyone who stays at a hotel would also need to do a TM28 for the hotel stay.

A good chance they misunderstood and were referring to TM30 requirements.

Maybe others fron Hua Hin can confirm but there is no enforcement or fines for not doing a TM28 and immigration offices are not asking for one to do 90 day/extensions.

I was there with 2 friends doing a report with TM 28 they just retired here with a OA visa so she knew what I was talking about neither of them had any TM 30 papers with them because the condo we stay in do the TM 30

They also now require a copy of the housebook and ID of the owner which I did not need when I first reported my TM 28

Edited by offset

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1 minute ago, offset said:

I was there with 2 friends doing a report with TM 28 they just retired here with a OA visa so she knew what I was talking about neither of them had any TM 30 papers with them because the condo we stay in do the TM 30

Thats a TM28 for a new arrival and permanent address, thats about the only time an immigration office requires a TM28. I have never heard of it being enforced for short stays like TM30 is.

Maybe its a Hua Hin local rule.

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13 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Thats a TM28 for a new arrival and permanent address, thats about the only time an immigration office requires a TM28. I have never heard of it being enforced for short stays like TM30 is.

Maybe its a Hua Hin local rule.

Ok I hope you are correct time will tell

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56 minutes ago, offset said:

I asked yesterday at Hua Him Immigration if it was needed that I do a TM28 every time I returned after a trip away (out of province or returning from abroad), I was told that I had to do within 24 hrs or I could be fined, I said the my condo did the reporting of my TM 30 and he said that was not my problem but the TM 28 was my problem, was she mistaken

You do a TM28 at a police station, not at immigration police, that's written on the form itself and in the law.

The person who you talked to just told you what is written in the law (but most foreigners are exempt from this anyway, for example people on tourist or business visas and some others), the person didn't tell you that this law is currently not enforced, so currently nothing to worry about TM28.

Edited by jackdd

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Posted (edited)

I can confirm that after a lot of false starts and using Microsoft explorer for me at least application online to immigration can be initiated.

 

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Clicking on the url on the email sent - User name and passport will be sent by email

 

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49 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:
Not according to the dictionary and specifically its use in Law
 
pos·ses·sor
/pəˈzesər/
noun
 
  1.  
    • LAW
      a person who takes, occupies, or holds something without necessarily having ownership, or as distinguished from the owner.
       
      The definition in the immigration act says the same
      “House Master” means any persons who is the chief possessor of a house , whether in the capacity of owner , tenant , or in any other capacity whatsoever , in accordance with the law on people act.

 

This is wrong, its the law on civil registration.

Civil Registration ACT 2534, Section 4: https://translate.google.co.th/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fapp-thca.krisdika.go.th%2FNaturesig%2FCheckSig%3FwhichLaw%3Dlaw2%26folderName%3D%a119%26lawPath%3D%a119-20-9999-update

 

I am not aware of an translation of it as it is really old, maybe they keep it secret from us as it's also the act that guarantees every foreigner to be elligible for a house book 😂

 

Thai lawyers i asked all interpret it as the Housemaster as listed in the Tabiaan Baan, you can be the tenant and listed as the house master, but that's often not the case

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25 minutes ago, jackdd said:

You do a TM28 at a police station, not at immigration police, that's written on the form itself and in the law.

The person who you talked to just told you what is written in the law (but most foreigners are exempt from this anyway, for example people on tourist or business visas and some others), the person didn't tell you that this law is currently not enforced, so currently nothing to worry about TM28.

Not true I see 2 friends do their TM28 at immigration office yesterday 

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40 minutes ago, offset said:

Not true I see 2 friends do their TM28 at immigration office yesterday 

What i wrote is still true, even if your friends did it there.

Immigration police might accept it, but actually it's supposed to be done at your local police station, just look at the law:

For the TM28 it says:

Shall notify the police official of the local police station where such alien resides

For the TM30 which has to be done with immigration police:

must notify the competent official of the Immigration Office located in the same area

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30 minutes ago, jackdd said:

What i wrote is still true, even if your friends did it there.

Immigration police might accept it, but actually it's supposed to be done at your local police station, just look at the law:

For the TM28 it says:

"Shall notify the police official of the local police station where such alien resides"

 

And if you look at the actual form, (http://www.immigrationbangkok.com/files/visa_forms/tm28.pdf) it says no such thing....  the TM28 starts "To the Immigration officer" and ends as being signed at "xxxxx" Immigration office

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