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16 minutes ago, CLTH said:

PR isn't available to everyone so there has to be a better mechanism than the TM30, which in and of itself does nothing to prove your bonafides.

I agree that the TM30 is over the top and if somebody wants to do anything illegal he would avoid it anyway

But instead of asking for some new vetting procedures, you should just ask to open PR to more people. For example i don't see any reason why Thailand should not allow a retiree, who has been in the country for let's say 5 years and who has a state pension for the rest of his life, to get PR.

 

24 minutes ago, CLTH said:

Smart Visas are also a great initiative by this government.

Smart Visas are more like a total fail.

The person who has it (and his family), does not have to go to the immigration office once a year, that's about the whole advantage compared to a non-b visa. (90 day reports and the work permit are handled by companies who employ people with 200k+ salary anyway, so this doesn't change anything for the holder of the visa)

For this little advantage they probably spent thousands of hours in meetings, had to setup new processes, new offices etc.

I would call the Smart Visas another case of wasted tax payer money.

 

34 minutes ago, CLTH said:

As for the analysis of certain categories of visa holder not having to go through the TM30 process. You are spot on, Immigration did actually say this (but after the filmed Q&A) at other forums. BOI visa holders aren't being asked for the TM 30 and Non-immigrant B holders and their dependents who get extensions of stay at Chaengwattana at the desk which handles non-immigrant B visas will not be asked for it either. I was told this twice in the same day at two seminars I attended that day.

That's actually not what i said, you should read it again (and you should also read the law, while you are already at it), i said certain categories are exempt from TM28 (section 37 (3) and (4) in the immigration act), because different people brought this up, even though it has nothing to do with TM30

TM30 does not have any exemptions, it applies to everybody who is a temporary visitor in Thailand. Immigration just currently does not enforce it for BOI visa holders, but this is actually not in accordance with the law and they could start enforcing it any day. People will know about it once they get fined for it, and then they will be told by the IO: This has always been the law, you should have known about it.

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4 hours ago, jackdd said:

I agree that the TM30 is over the top and if somebody wants to do anything illegal he would avoid it anyway

But instead of asking for some new vetting procedures, you should just ask to open PR to more people. For example i don't see any reason why Thailand should not allow a retiree, who has been in the country for let's say 5 years and who has a state pension for the rest of his life, to get PR.

 

Smart Visas are more like a total fail.

The person who has it (and his family), does not have to go to the immigration office once a year, that's about the whole advantage compared to a non-b visa. (90 day reports and the work permit are handled by companies who employ people with 200k+ salary anyway, so this doesn't change anything for the holder of the visa)

For this little advantage they probably spent thousands of hours in meetings, had to setup new processes, new offices etc.

I would call the Smart Visas another case of wasted tax payer money.

 

That's actually not what i said, you should read it again (and you should also read the law, while you are already at it), i said certain categories are exempt from TM28 (section 37 (3) and (4) in the immigration act), because different people brought this up, even though it has nothing to do with TM30

TM30 does not have any exemptions, it applies to everybody who is a temporary visitor in Thailand. Immigration just currently does not enforce it for BOI visa holders, but this is actually not in accordance with the law and they could start enforcing it any day. People will know about it once they get fined for it, and then they will be told by the IO: This has always been the law, you should have known about it.

To your points: 

 

- basically every submission done by the major western chambers, every discussion we have (and my last was with senior security, army and police at government house) all talk about making PR and citizenship easier to get and to extend it on a humanitarian basis to those who have been married to Thai citizens. There is a whole matrix of issues we address, ID cards, more modern work permits, longer work permits and work rights for spouses amongst other things. 

 

 

Pragmatically, you won’t see retirees be given a path to PR. Very few countries do and it probably won’t fly.

 

My comments on the night were shortened as, if you were watching it, I was given a short amount of time given the immigration people were late, to speak in more depth about what the members of major chambers thought about it, and what we have proposed to government. So I went where the conversation was heading. 

 

- the smart visa i probably one of the more innovative developments in the past 20 years here. It isn’t perfect and it’s first iteration attracted limited amounts of people. The BOI revised it and I know of people who are now being able to apply for 2 year S visas based on a solid business plans and showing adequate finds (50,000 per month). The whole idea is to attract people to set up a company in Thailand, so of course you want them to. Advising these people on the process and seeing it in action, it is only marginally more complicated that when I set up my own firm here. It wasn’t that hard and they did it themselves with limited assistance from an accountant. 

 

Cause we view these things in context, and not through he myopic lense of the crowd that night, government deserves kudos on this front and for the fact that PR applications are now open for 7 months this year, not the normal 2 weeks in December. I made a big point that people should take advantage of this if eligible. 

 

- you are correct. I misread, but am aware of the difference. At our function earlier in the day, immigration made your point.

 

However, and I stress, the issue of TM30 exemptions was drilled in upon. Immigration, to the face of the head of HR of central group no less, said what I have. It may not be in the law, but the explanation given was that the place of work, contained on the work permit was a reportable address and they were happy with that. A fudge? Probably but despite appearances to the contrary, they looking for work around as to the orders they have been given.

 

Same goes for tenants with three year leases being able to register for the online system instead of landlords. Not in law, but a workaround for them to make it easier for tenants. 

 

As for the Chinese and Indians coming first. They were simply out of the blocks first and organised their meetings first. I dare say there are a few land holders amongst them, and landlords are just as up in arms about it. The Australians had no trouble getting the immigration people to come along - so I’m not sure about your totem pole analogy. 

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6 hours ago, CLTH said:

I've worked here 20 years dealing with the government. It wasn't going to happen. Maybe in private, but there is no way he was going to throw his superiors under the bus in a public forum. Their English wasn't great, but they aren't stupid and understood all the issues. Underestimating the officials is something which too many people on this site easily fall into the habit of thinking. 

Well, if you are good psychoanalyzing the government as you are the expats on this forum then all I can say that is you've wasted your time. As I have posted on another similar thread I attended IO arranged meetings with other expats at Nongkhai and in a couple of hours we all got the message. If you think this TM30 meeting was to called because the 'petition' was effective then you are mistaken. No the IO's aren't stupid and they probably agreed to a meeting because they wanted it and not because you did.

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21 hours ago, watcharacters said:

It's a fact the police can find a person with just the sim card number.

Doesn't matter if the phone is  turned on or not.

 

 

What are you talking about?

 

If your phone is off, it stops communicating with the cell towers and can only be traced to the cell tower you powered your phone down...or when you turn it back on again....and you could literally be on the other side of the planet.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

It's really easier to buy an elite visa and don't give thailand any money besides that, invest in thailands competition outside of thailand instead.

That's a good strategy. If one must stay in Thailand, then the tax rules, decent weather in some parts and it's geographical location are the few benefits it has. Although that means living somewhere with fast access to airport and that would be Bangkok, a crappy place to live in. Or suffer the hours long transit rides in mad max traffic.

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Went for my annual Marriage Extension this morning and the first thing the Female Officer did was look for the copy of my TM30 above all else.    Five years ago it was unthought of but now they know it's a cash cow and are eager to extract fines for non-compliance !

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On 8/19/2019 at 5:34 AM, KhaoYai said:

but the whole point of having an international language is so that we can all communicate.

I am sure the French would agree... in fact I just read that because of population increases in Africa that French may be the most spoken language in the world pretty soon. Time to brush up oui?

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40 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

I am sure the French would agree... in fact I just read that because of population increases in Africa that French may be the most spoken language in the world pretty soon. Time to brush up oui?

Non! Not a chance. 

 

And regardless of which language is the most spoken, English is, and will remain, the world’s lingua franca.

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On 8/19/2019 at 9:25 AM, davidst01 said:

if you have a yellow book then no

what if have a blue book ?

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On ‎8‎/‎21‎/‎2019 at 1:37 PM, trainman34014 said:

Five years ago it was unthought of but now they know it's a cash cow and are eager to extract fines for non-compliance !

How much? Did you get a receipt as required?

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1 minute ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Did you get a receipt as required?

Wasn't me who got fined !

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