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Video: TM30: Thailand’s controversial immigration laws and their consequences - FCCT event

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They keep bringing up the Erawan Shrine bombing as one of, if not the, prime reason for knowing foreigners whereabouts. Yeah, great idea, like a terrorist flies in Thailand to carry out a planned bomb attack and he/she is going to report all their movements to immigration. 

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2 hours ago, hansnl said:

I guess the current "tightening of the screws" is based on what is going on in China, same-same as it were.....

Quite logical, seeing the build up of the powers to be.

Hardly the same. China does not require anything when travelling to other cities inside China then returning to your registered address

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I keep seeing posts by people saying it's not such a big deal to pop in to your local I.O. when returning from a trip.

 

However, if you happen to live on either Koh Phangan or Koh Tao, the nearest I.O. is on Koh Samui.  And take make matters even worse, they are one of the I.O.'s that do not allow reporting online (they did for a very short while, and it was perfect the one time it worked for me a few years ago).

So, if anyone living on either of these two islands takes a trip to another province, they are then expected to take the ferry to Samui and back, just to inform Immigration that they have returned!

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You get the impression the more the see us talking about it the more they  are gloating in the knowledge of how much of a <deleted> up it is for everyone. 

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So much good the TM 30 has done them with the southern conflict or in reality tracking real criminals. This is all about rubbing the soles of their feet on our good guy long term stayers heads. 

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On a Facebook page that is administered by this guy Brousseau I entered into a discussion with other users regarding this very issue. I said that something had changed in the way the law was being applied, Brousseau accused me of spreading misinformation. He threw a mini-tantrum saying he didn't have time for this and barred me from the Facebook page. He seems to have changed his tune somewhat. 

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2 hours ago, yellowboat said:

For you, but for the bed hopping Casanovas, it is a serious issue.  You cannot spend the night at any number of your girl friends places.  Suppose camping is a big no no.  Back packers waiting flights at the airport are out of luck.  It is dimwitted thinking by xenophobe who refuse to learn from others.  Again, Thailand is showing it is special in not a good way.  China has similar laws, but not as stringent as Thailand.  I was a little late registering my China apartment, and the lady police officer just laughed and said "It is okay, relax".  Thai immigration could probably take a few pointers from their Chinese counter parts on how to treat foreigners nicely.  Yes the absurdity is mind blowing.  I know. 

 

After years of being bullied by the green team, the FCCT is finally allowed to hold debates.  Baby steps

When I was in China all they asked was if going to stay there for more then a month to go to the local police station and provide your address incase they need to get a hold of you or anything happens to you so they know where you live to get a hold of you. But only once not every single time for every single little thing like here. 

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3 minutes ago, deecfc67 said:

I keep seeing posts by people saying it's not such a big deal to pop in to your local I.O. when returning from a trip.

 

However, if you happen to live on either Koh Phangan or Koh Tao, the nearest I.O. is on Koh Samui.  And take make matters even worse, they are one of the I.O.'s that do not allow reporting online (they did for a very short while, and it was perfect the one time it worked for me a few years ago).

So, if anyone living on either of these two islands takes a trip to another province, they are then expected to take the ferry to Samui and back, just to inform Immigration that they have returned!

In 24 hours please!

It would have been a perfect example for the general in the movie👍
But as anyway he did not really answer the questions it would not have changed anything.

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Today I went down to Jomtien Immigration with my brother he needed a residential certificate. I was down there last week and ask for the form for a residential and what was needed the small slip made no mentioned of a TM30 required.

My brother has been doing Retirement for 15 years and as of today has never done a TM-30 same here been following the rule don't open a can of worms and never was asked if we had one.

Today, went into the door to the front counter, he asked for the form Residential and was told take this TM-30 and fill it out, they were just passing it out to everyone. He look at it and said " so take it home and fill it out and have his wife sign it "  response just go over there and fill it out and take it into the room which he did leaving the line unsigned. He wasn't ask for prove of his home nothing they just cut off the bottom and staple it to his passport just like they do with the 90 report!

Then he went to window #6 for residential and told to come back two days? 

Jomtien anyone experience this this week?

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I did my TM28 at Jomtien today, my owner lives in Germany so doesn’t do a TM30 so I do a TM28 too cover the backside.

i had all the documentation, I had done it before so knew what was required. I went too Reception the girl checked the Documentation, she stamped the bottom half, cut it off and give it back too me. The Documentation she put under the desk, I didn’t even have go into Immigration.

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2 hours ago, Peterw42 said:

Anyone who says the petition hasn't achieved anything, this is a lot of affected people and immigration in one room talking about TM30.

It wouldn't have happened without the petition.

And nothing will !

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Well, I'm sorry to have to report...we (expats) haven't seen anything yet. On a different issue I went to my bank this morning to have them countersign my 'Certificate of Existence' (pension). This I have done with no trouble in previous years but today I'm told that new rule for foreigners...'no can do, go to (Udorn) Amphoe office (registration). Thought I'd try Immigration first. Same answer. Waited to see manager at Amphoe. I was told that there are new registration & financial rules (yet to be ratified) regarding foreigners in the province (implied national). Although I wasn't allowed to read it, he showed me a several page folder, which he claimed, contained the details. Now since the TM 30 is also about registration I wondered...well you can guess. Seemed all to coincidental to me. Maybe, some these 'new rules' will be in our favour...or am I being naive?

Anyway, I showed him my yellow book, car registration book in my name, passport, bank books and drivers license and asked him if he would countersign my form for me (after all, that is what I was there for). He refused saying that the "certificate' and accompanying letter were not officially authenticated...now where have I heard that before?

Eventually had it signed by a Doctor but...is it just a matter of time before they too are affected by any new rules?

(maybe I should have written this as a new thread, Ha!)

 

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Thais in general cannot think logically in the typical western manner. They tend to overreact and cannot see the fallacies in their thinking. As many of us have already said, the vast majority of foreign expats living here full-time import huge sums into the Kingdom to purchase homes and then well provide for their predominantly Thai families.  It is as plain as the potato noses on our farang faces that we aren’t the problem, but Thai authorities simply refuse to accept it.  

 

I never realized just how xenophobic the nation and its people are until this, my 16th year here. I’ve been quite satisfied living here until now, but all this ridiculous backlash against us is making me seriously thinking of leaving. It also frankly bothers me that our embassies are apparently doing nothing to try to counter the ill treatment being levied against their long term citizens who choose to remain here.

 

I’ve concluded that the Thais will not resolve their pettiness and that we must knuckle under to the absurdity they continue to create...or we must vote with our feet. I didn’t relocate halfway around the globe to spend my retirement being treated with contempt through unfair immigration policies that flirt with violating basic human rights. We all hope that the government...someone high enough to instill some sense in its immigration department...will stop this senseless bashing of foreigners.  We ask simply to be left alone to live out our waning lives peacefully in our host nation to enjoy the many good qualities that attracted us to Thailand in the first place.  

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A complete waste of time watching this. No logic, nothing sensible said. Including many of the farangs 😣

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2 minutes ago, Fore Man said:

 We ask simply to be left alone to live out our waning lives peacefully in our host nation to enjoy the many good qualities that attracted us to Thailand in the first place.  

For some that Thailand does not exist any longer, the past really is a different country here.

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