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Video: TM30: Thailand’s controversial immigration laws and their consequences - FCCT event

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Cue back to ca. 2012, when I first mentioned immigration act 37 & 38 in TVF .. 'never going to be enforced' 'maibpenrai' 'if you don't like it..' 

 

Told ya bloody so. Now I shall prophesy next up will be modification of police orders. And it ain't going to be for the benefit of aliens.

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4 hours ago, SammyT said:

Pretty much just here to see the ranting of angry expats. My TM30 reporting takes up a few hours each year. It's not ideal, but it is what it is. 

and i had to move to another condo because my old one didn´t do it

 

and my new one also doesn´t do it 

 

so <deleted> it 😄 

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47 minutes ago, Jumbo1968 said:

I did my TM28 at Jomtien today, my owner lives in Germany so doesn’t do a TM30 so I do a TM28 too cover the backside.

i had all the documentation, I had done it before so knew what was required. I went too Reception the girl checked the Documentation, she stamped the bottom half, cut it off and give it back too me. The Documentation she put under the desk, I didn’t even have go into Immigration.

And under the desk was probably a cardboard box, ready to be put on a shelf once full. In other words that form will never be seen again nor the data ever entered anywhere. Useless harrassment.

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2 hours ago, SammyT said:

Pretty much just here to see the ranting of angry expats. My TM30 reporting takes up a few hours each year. It's not ideal, but it is what it is. 

But there are added impositions now which may require more than a few hours each year if you decide to stay elsewhere for a few days. If being nailed to the spot is your thing, by all means defend the process. Oliver Cromwell is alive and well and ruling in Thailand.

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Watching the VDO and how the chief of Police was unable or unwilling to answer even the most simplest of questions (e.g. what has changed now with regards to enforcing this law?) and his sidekicks in and out of uniform were similarly unable to reasonably address the actual content of questions put to them, but brushed aside serious questions with banal comments and irrelevancies, reminded me very much of scenes from a Dostoyevsky or Kafka novel. Thailand was always a labyrinthine bureaucratic place, filled withe outdated and irrelevant laws that were spottily applied at best, but occasionally the political dinosaurs would emerge from their and insist they were executed to the letter of the law and without consideration of fit for purposeness. But it seems the present regime is taking this old rule of thumb to a whole new level of Alice in Wonderland rabbit hole ridiculousness and will certainly be shooting that poor old Siamese elephant in its foot as a result. 🙄

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What a farce. Not even one simple question was properly answered.

All foreigners that are still undecided whether to leave or stay should see this video.

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1 hour ago, DrTuner said:

Cue back to ca. 2012, when I first mentioned immigration act 37 & 38 in TVF .. 'never going to be enforced' 'maibpenrai' 'if you don't like it..' 

 

Told ya bloody so. Now I shall prophesy next up will be modification of police orders. And it ain't going to be for the benefit of aliens.

I can go back 5 years ago and siracha immigration wouldn't do my 90 day until a TM30 was done and the landlord came in and payed a fine (solved by driving 40 ks to Jomtien). Also GF had to do a TM30 6 years ago when I moved in to her house and did an extension (Samut Sahkon). There has been some enforcement over the years. I dont think people realise but immigration used to just fill it in on the fly as you did your extension and it went in your file. (one of those sign here documents)

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Good to see the FCC standing as a voice for a proportion of the expat community. I thought some of the questions asked by Dominic Faulder, Richard Barrow and the panel was very brave to stand up and ask those questions directly to the police commander of imm div 1.

 

After watching the video I see that the older laws are being enforced without thought of how and why they worked when introduced but not how they would work and be implemented today.

 

Its clear even immigration doesn't have the correct resources to implement and manage these laws. Nationalistic paranoia is also apparent to me but this is happening all over the world - not a good thing at all.

 

It will take the next recession to reverse nationalism and open up globalism again which is what nature has planned for us humans anyhow.

 

In the meantime its good to know there is an outlet no matter how small so that its not all one way -- some cultures are more authoritarian than democratic, with hierarchy and layers of authority. This makes a two way conversation very difficult, the FCC managed this well done.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Beggar said:

No but they will need to apply for a terrorist visa. 

Bet those  cost a  bomb

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I don’t see a real problem with doing TM 30 or 90 Day Reporting providing it is consistent in every Immigration Office and there is an efficient online system. Why wrong with a government who want too determine the whereabouts of aliens in their country ?

 

Obviously contradicting myself people who want too stay under the radar will never do any kind of reporting.

 

Its a pity the U.K. don’t adapt such systems as when people arrive in the U.K. on a Visa they can just ‘disappear’ into thin air not unless some one ‘shops them’

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3 hours ago, ThomasThBKK said:

For what it's worth, not a single thai i spoke with believes this non sense; they all thing it's bat shit crazy.

Including the  TAT survey woman at the airport who thought it was  very odd  when i told her every time I leave my province, never  mind outta  here in 2 hours, sit back relax into the lie flat bed , back to sanity.

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5 hours ago, hansnl said:

I guess the current "tightening of the screws" is based on what is going on in China, same-same as it were.....

Quite logical, seeing the build up of the powers to be.

There's nothing going on in China. System has been the same for the last five years.

 

We only report in when we leave the country and return. My multi entry resident permit runs for three years, no interim reporting, no cash requirement, no nothing, and its cheap. 3600bht equivalent. Chinese green card is a lot easier than Thai PR from what I've read.

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1 hour ago, Emmess said:

A complete waste of time watching this. No logic, nothing sensible said. Including many of the farangs 😣

you could have gone along though but didnt eh, well done

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