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24 minutes ago, Huckenfell said:

So you don't agree with the 'card' idea presented by the Australian ?

 

Ok, so let me introduce you the pink ID for foreigners. I was one of the first to write about it in English and Thai on internet. On the back of the Thai ID, it is written in Thai : This is not an ID.

 

First problem.

 

Second, you need a ta bian baan to get the Thai ID and all district do not give the same conditions for the yellow Ta bian baan. The blue is only for Thai residents and permanents residents.

 

To get a yellow Ta bian baan, you normally need witnesses, pictures, à legalization of your passport. But me, I would go further: criminal background check, for example, and even for work permits (I think it is done now). Then, you exempt the people with yellow Ta bian baan, or work permit from tm30 and if you want, give the Thai pink ID but right now,  this is not a powerful tool for foreigners.

 

The yellow Ta bian is refused for non-married people in many amphur. If you are refused, you could take the amphur at the administrative court for free (or it cost very little), no lawyer needed and the administration NEEDS to follow the registration act of 1991 and the modifications of 2008 including its regulations.

 

Just thinking pink ID now without putting it in context of Ta bian baan, is not the current law.

 

When i applied for permanent residency, everybody told me it is difficult, no real privilege, expensive.

 

When I wrote about Thai Pink ID (just google that with Thailand and my article should be first or second) people told me it was useless, etc.

 

i believe there were too many keyboard warriors and people that will never be satisfied by any solution.

 

Yes, the pink ID and suspending the TM30 is the best we can have and this is acceptable, easy, and convenient. But they need to change the registration act and immigration officers I met do not seem to want any openings. Why? I have no idea.

 

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4 hours ago, Huckenfell said:

Why not do it whilst you are on Samui on the way home ?

 

Because the law states that you have to do it within 24 hours of arriving home. NOT on the way home. 

You are advocating people breaking the law to appease the lawmakers.

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13 hours ago, TSF said:

They keep bringing up the Erawan Shrine bombing as one of, if not the, prime reason for knowing foreigners whereabouts. Yeah, great idea, like a terrorist flies in Thailand to carry out a planned bomb attack and he/she is going to report all their movements to immigration. 

Fly in. 20,000 baht will get any bomber across a land border.

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if i am on a retirement visa, get an exit visa to go out of Thailand do i need to report back to immigration to do a TM30 on my return ? i am a house owner here not staying in rental accommodation should that make any difference. thx

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28 minutes ago, kevin612 said:

Oh yea, why would they take away TM 30? It is the corruption money.

To bloody right,immigration are blackmailing long term expats who don't pay the fine for landlords/housemasters who fail to report the longterm expats who do 90 day reporting,pay up or piss off.Pay the fine or get deported,sounds like someone should call their bluff refuse to pay the fine and get deported and see how that goes down with the international media and human right groups! 

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One thing I took from what I've watched of the video so far, is that meetings with Thai authorities should not take place without an interpretor putting the questions to them in Thai.  It was clear to me that they, especially the General, did not fully understand the questions put - on more than one occasion his answer had nothing to do with the question. Admitting it and asking for an explanation would mean a serious loss of face in their way of thinking.

 

In their defence, it can't be easy when you have a bunch of foreigners, all speaking English but some with quite strong accents. I don't know about other member's experiences but I've often said something to my Thai friends and realised later that they didn't understand. Do they ask you to explain? No.

 

I strongly suspect that the 2 policemen went home from the meeting still not aware of what foreigners concerns over TM30 really are.

 

One other point - the guy from the Chamber of Trade - I think he's an Aussie but said he was Thai - naturalised?? Anyway, he suggested ex pats go through a vetting procedure when they apply to live in Thailand as is done in Australia. Jesus H Christ, can you imagine that? Crazy idea! That guy would make a good politician - replace a difficult and pointless policy with one even more difficult and totally pointless. Oh, and cost the country/applicants a fortune in doing so. Thai Immigration can't even cope with the system they have - please don't suggest they introduce more bureaucracy.

 

As has been said hundreds of times - anyone entering Thailand with criminal intentions is unlikely to register for TM30 and they are unlikely to register for anything if any vetting procedure is brought in. Criminals not only break the law, they don't care about petty immigration issues. They can vet as many applicants for long term residency as they like, it won't catch criminals. Do they intend vetting tourists too?

 

Thailand is not different to many countries that have land borders - if you really want to enter without announcing it, its pretty easy to do.  My ex wife came from a small village not so far from Yasothon. The village itself was not so far from the Mekong river. Village residents regularly used an unnofficial crossing there to visit a market in Laos, I went myself once.

 

 

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35 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

Village residents regularly used an unnofficial crossing there to visit a market in Laos, I went myself once.

Oh you evil international criminal it's people like you who give us bad types a good name.I've often been tempted to do it myself just for the fun of it,but I might save it as an emergency exit.

  Threatening people with deportation for not paying the fine for someone else's non compliance is in fact extortion and should be treated as such.

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1 hour ago, Tomahawk21 said:

if i am on a retirement visa, get an exit visa to go out of Thailand do i need to report back to immigration to do a TM30 on my return ? i am a house owner here not staying in rental accommodation should that make any difference. thx

 

 

First, I imagine you are talking about having an extension of stay based on retirement - not a visa. Also, I think you mean Re-entry permit as there is no such thing as an exit visa.

 

There is no straight answer, because my immigration do not require me to report on my return.

 

Condo ownership is irrelevant.

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11 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Oh you evil international criminal it's people like you who give us bad types a good name.I've often been tempted to do it myself just for the fun of it,but I might save it as an emergency exit.

  Threatening people with deportation for not paying the fine for someone else's non compliance is in fact extortion and should be treated as such.

Last year I visited a town on the Myanmar border with an obvious, legitimate border crossing point. A mile or so along the river was a less legitimate crossing point over to a casino and duty free shop. So I went across for fun. Found that I could buy Lagavulin (which seems to be unavailable in Thailand). So, worth the boat ride.   

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