Samuel Smith Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 80 or 90 kph limit at that intersection. These redlight cameras all over CM are a cash cow. Must catch hundreds or more every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenbone Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, stevenl said: No. If it isn't safe you don't stop. The photo will show that. No, he went through yellow when he should have stopped, see the photo. Unless he was driving too fast of course and couldn't stop, in which case the excuse is not really strong ???? show me one single video clip when a police in any western country would come up with the idea of trying to bring an orange light crossing to court. this is a corrupt police fining legal driving, or alternatively, he doesnt know traffic law and should be sent to school as has been suggested recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, stevenl said: No. If it isn't safe you don't stop. The photo will show that. No, he went through yellow when he should have stopped, see the photo. Unless he was driving too fast of course and couldn't stop, in which case the excuse is not really strong ???? Ah, at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eisfeld Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 The only sensible thing to do would be to have the camera take the picture at the exact time that the light turns red. If you crossed the line already you should be OK. Yellow light should be an indicator for drivers to prepare to stop if possible. That's what the law also seems to say. The the only thing the OP should do is ask if the picture is taking when the light turns red or after. If after then it's not evidence for anything. That's all theory of course. Reality: pay fine and move on ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chang1 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, brokenbone said: show me one single video clip when a police in any western country would come up with the idea of trying to bring an orange light crossing to court. this is a corrupt police fining legal driving, or alternatively, he doesnt know traffic law and should be sent to school as has been suggested recently In South Australia they do but not with cameras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chang1 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 21 minutes ago, stevenl said: 29 minutes ago, chang1 said: "if safe to stop on yellow you have to stop" you're making that up. No. Please show where it says that in the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth1a2a Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 hours ago, watcharacters said: if the light turns red when you are in the intersection you have broken the law and can receive a citation. That's the rule of thumb where I come from. Red-light camera tickets there currently cost $490-$525! (USD) ...... A 500 bht fine would be a blessing by comparison . OPs argument appears to be that the photo should show red instead of orange but if Thailand has the same red in the intersection rule printed on paper then obviously the appeal will be an uphill climb. Good luck if you decide to go ahead and fight it......Inquiring minds would like to know how things turn out. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chang1 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Seth1a2a said: That's the rule of thumb where I come from. Red-light camera tickets there currently cost $490-$525! (USD) ...... A 500 bht fine would be a blessing by comparison . OPs argument appears to be that the photo should show red instead of orange but if Thailand has the same red in the intersection rule printed on paper then obviously the appeal will be an uphill climb. Good luck if you decide to go ahead and fight it......Inquiring minds would like to know how things turns out. "Yellow: the driver shall prepare to stop the vehicle behind the stop line. If the driver has passed the stop line when the traffic light turns yellow, he may go through. Red: the driver shall stop the vehicle behind the stop line." So no problem being in the intersection after the light changed. How could that ever work in slow moving traffic anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chang1 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Before I get back to life. Something to think about - If prepare to stop actually means stop, why is there a red light at all? Surely it is redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Smith Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 There is quite a decent time gap between one light going red & the next turning green. Plenty of time for cars passing on orange to clear the intersection. it's not about safety, but money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfieconn Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 hours ago, stevenl said: There is timning on these photos, if it takes too long after crossing the photo will be made, within the margin (don't ask me what margin) there will be no photo made. We have now 2x someone crossing the line on yellow and getting fined, in both cases they were easily able to stop. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfieconn Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 hours ago, stevenl said: No. If it isn't safe you don't stop. The photo will show that. No, he went through yellow when he should have stopped, see the photo. Unless he was driving too fast of course and couldn't stop, in which case the excuse is not really strong ???? So what speed is to fast ? 60 kph is hardly excessive and being approx 20 meters from the stop line certainly wouldn't be able to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaiLai Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 This is my favourite topic today ( so far ), riveting stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almer Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 5 hours ago, alfieconn said: Thanks but you haven't answered any of my questions. Now will you get points deducted from your licence, did i hear you say what licence shame on you sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackdd Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 The law says you should prepare to stop on yellow. Which probably means you should stop if you can, if it's not possible, then not. So it depends on factors which we don't know, because we just see these two pictures. Let's assume a few things: - This type of road usually allows 90km/h, so let's say you were driving about 90km/h - A traffic light at such a place does usually have a 5 second yellow light phase - The second picture was taken right when it switched to red - You were about 10m behind the stop line when it was taken With these assumptions we can do the math: 90km/h means 25m/s. 5 seconds means you travelled about 125 meters while the light was yellow. When the light switched to yellow you were about 115 meters away from the traffic light. According to some calculator which i found on Google the stopping distance at 90km/h is about 100 meters. If my assumptions are about correct, then you had enough time to stop which you should have done, by not doing so you broke the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfieconn Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 34 minutes ago, Almer said: Now will you get points deducted from your licence, did i hear you say what licence shame on you sir. Where did i say this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfieconn Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, jackdd said: The law says you should prepare to stop on yellow. Which probably means you should stop if you can, if it's not possible, then not. So it depends on factors which we don't know, because we just see these two pictures. Let's assume a few things: - This type of road usually allows 90km/h, so let's say you were driving about 90km/h - A traffic light at such a place does usually have a 5 second yellow light phase - The second picture was taken right when it switched to red - You were about 10m behind the stop line when it was taken With these assumptions we can do the math: 90km/h means 25m/s. 5 seconds means you travelled about 125 meters while the light was yellow. When the light switched to yellow you were about 115 meters away from the traffic light. According to some calculator which i found on Google the stopping distance at 90km/h is about 100 meters. If my assumptions are about correct, then you had enough time to stop which you should have done, by not doing so you broke the law. Show me proof it is a 5 second yellow light phrase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alacrity Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Not illegal but the light could well have been red when you crossed the white line. Thai technology and Thai situational awareness have similar traits. Perhaps for some reason yours were the same at that particular time. The fines are peanuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Weird Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 6 hours ago, losworld said: many of these lights are intentionally timed to close quickly resulting in more revenue. That is nonsense and is not the reason for ambers changing to red! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackdd Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, alfieconn said: Show me proof it is a 5 second yellow light phrase. Why do i have to show you proof? You are thinking about appealing. As i wrote, it's just an assumption that this is a 5 second yellow light. Go to the same traffic light and measure how long it shows yellow, and from the time stamps on the pictures estimate how fast you were actually driving. Then you know if stopping would have been possible. If it turns out that you were able to stop you don't need to appeal. If it turns out that you couldn't reasonably stop i would appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alacrity Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, jackdd said: Why do i have to show you proof? You are thinking about appealing. As i wrote, it's just an assumption that this is a 5 second yellow light. Go to the same traffic light and measure how long it shows yellow, and from the time stamps on the pictures estimate how fast you were actually driving. Then you know if stopping would have been possible. If it turns out that you were able to stop you don't need to appeal. If it turns out that you couldn't reasonably stop i would appeal. So it could have been a ten minutes delay then. Unlikely but I'll assume that's correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfieconn Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 25 minutes ago, alacrity said: Not illegal but the light could well have been red when you crossed the white line. Thai technology and Thai situational awareness have similar traits. Perhaps for some reason yours were the same at that particular time. The fines are peanuts. No it wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaiLai Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 minute ago, alfieconn said: No it wasn't. are you gonna appeal or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfieconn Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, jackdd said: Why do i have to show you proof? You are thinking about appealing. As i wrote, it's just an assumption that this is a 5 second yellow light. Go to the same traffic light and measure how long it shows yellow, and from the time stamps on the pictures estimate how fast you were actually driving. Then you know if stopping would have been possible. If it turns out that you were able to stop you don't need to appeal. If it turns out that you couldn't reasonably stop i would appeal. No you didn't write that, you actually said "A traffic light at such a place does usually have a 5 second yellow light phase". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackdd Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 minute ago, alfieconn said: No you didn't write that, you actually said "A traffic light at such a place does usually have a 5 second yellow light phase". 49 minutes ago, jackdd said: Let's assume a few things: - This type of road usually allows 90km/h, so let's say you were driving about 90km/h - A traffic light at such a place does usually have a 5 second yellow light phase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alacrity Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, alfieconn said: No it wasn't. Not doubting you. However can you back up that statement with evidence? Maybe a dashcam file would help. Pay in peanuts, move on and learn the lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvorBiggun2 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Bang to rights. Pay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvorBiggun2 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, JaiLai said: are you gonna appeal or not? Hopefully not? The guy did wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almer Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, jackdd said: The law says you should prepare to stop on yellow. Which probably means you should stop if you can, if it's not possible, then not. So it depends on factors which we don't know, because we just see these two pictures. Let's assume a few things: - This type of road usually allows 90km/h, so let's say you were driving about 90km/h - A traffic light at such a place does usually have a 5 second yellow light phase - The second picture was taken right when it switched to red - You were about 10m behind the stop line when it was taken With these assumptions we can do the math: 90km/h means 25m/s. 5 seconds means you travelled about 125 meters while the light was yellow. When the light switched to yellow you were about 115 meters away from the traffic light. According to some calculator which i found on Google the stopping distance at 90km/h is about 100 meters. If my assumptions are about correct, then you had enough time to stop which you should have done, by not doing so you broke the law. Wow thats some explanation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almer Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Get a quality dash cam it will pay dividends when the government realise that fining drivers of motorised vehicles is a nice little earner Rodders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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