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Is It Illegal To Go Through An Orange Light ?

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1 hour ago, LennyW said:

Slow down and prepare to stop on amber if safe to do so, by the looks of the picture you should and could have.

When do you slow down - on green or on amber?

What does "prepare to stop" mean?

Who decides if it is "safe"?

At what point does "should" become shouldn't?

When does "could" become couldn't?

Running a red light is unambiguous, running an amber light is a grey area open to interpretation. That is why I have never heard of anyone being done for going through on amber in the UK. Thailand should not be using cameras to fine anyone, for this, if there was no danger to other road users.

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3 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

and the traffic law is the same the world over

Far, far from it. I'm surprised anyone would think that's the case.

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6 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

Far, far from it. I'm surprised anyone would think that's the case.

if the set of principles was different from country to country,

any idea of international driving license or valid license from another country would not work at all,

the whole idea is that everyone follows the same set of rules,

or the result can only ever be chaos and bloodbath

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1 minute ago, brokenbone said:

if the set of principles was different from country to country,

any idea of international driving license or valid license from another country would not work at all,

the whole idea is that everyone follows the same set of rules,

or the result can only ever be chaos and bloodbath

They may be similar but definitely not the same.

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14 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

no, it is not illegal, you can argue that it was too late to stop

at orange light. and the traffic law is the same the world over,

the police were in the wrong.

 

ed: to clarify, as long as your front wheel passed the line the moment the red light comes on, -you are good to go

No, not correct. You're making up the law: if safe to stop on yellow you have to stop.

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2 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

if the set of principles was different from country to country,

any idea of international driving license or valid license from another country would not work at all,

the whole idea is that everyone follows the same set of rules,

or the result can only ever be chaos and bloodbath

Well there's no world-wide international driving license. The countries that are part of the IDP agreement have sufficiently similar rules but of course the laws are not 100% the same, that would be a huge undertaking to synchronize them. Thailand drives on the left while most other countries on the right is one obvious difference.

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13 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

Why? When it turns yellow, he is before the stop line. Because of physical laws, he wont be able to stop in front of the stop line. So he has to cross the intersection or stop in the middle of it. It would result in the same situation as the pictures in the OP. Yellow light before stop line, then probably turning red while in the middle of the intersection -> fine.

There is timning on these photos, if it takes too long after crossing the photo will be made, within the margin (don't ask me what margin) there will be no photo made.

 

We have now 2x someone crossing the line on yellow and getting fined, in both cases they were easily able to stop.

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2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

No, not correct. You're making up the law: if safe to stop on yellow you have to stop.

"if safe to stop on yellow you have to stop" you're making that up.

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2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

No, not correct. You're making up the law: if safe to stop on yellow you have to stop.

What if it isn't safe, speed to high and a plum on your bumper...?

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10 minutes ago, stevenl said:

No, not correct. You're making up the law: if safe to stop on yellow you have to stop.

its up to the driver to make that call,

alas he made the decision it wasnt safe,

and many times its downright impossible,

if the orange light comes on 5 meters before you cross the line, it cant be done,

and that is why the law is what it is,

- a caution that soon the red light will come on, and red light means no crossing.

if the two different lights would mean the same thing, why bother with it at all ?

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2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

There is timning on these photos, if it takes too long after crossing the photo will be made, within the margin (don't ask me what margin) there will be no photo made.

 

We have now 2x someone crossing the line on yellow and getting fined, in both cases they were easily able to stop.

"don't ask me what margin" so how can you say "were easily able to stop"? 

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1 minute ago, stevenl said:

There is timning on these photos, if it takes too long after crossing the photo will be made, within the margin (don't ask me what margin) there will be no photo made.

 

We have now 2x someone crossing the line on yellow and getting fined, in both cases they were easily able to stop.

We don't know the speed limit on this road. It looks like he was roughly 20m away from the stop line. When the picture with the orange light was taken. At just 50kph it would not be possible for him to stop before the line. And since this is a big highway the speed was probably higher even. Now as you said there is maybe a delay between the light switching and the camera taking a picture but we don't know if that's indeed the case and if so how long.

 

I can't read the timestamps, we could calculate his speed if we knew those times.

 

But I guess the overall conclusion we can come up with is that unless we know the timing of the camera, one can't conclude anything from those pictures. He might have broken the law or not. He could have even crossed the line when it was red already...

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6 minutes ago, chang1 said:

"if safe to stop on yellow you have to stop" you're making that up.

No.

5 minutes ago, transam said:

What if it isn't safe, speed to high and a plum on your bumper...?

If it isn't safe you don't stop. The photo will show that.

1 minute ago, brokenbone said:

its up to the driver to make that call,

alas he made the decision it wasnt safe

No, he went through yellow when he should have stopped, see the photo. Unless he was driving too fast of course and couldn't stop, in which case the excuse is not really strong 🙂

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2 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

its up to the driver to make that call,

alas he made the decision it wasnt safe

In that case it is not up to the driver. It was up-to whoever decided it wasn't safe.

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