Samuel Smith 1,646 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 80 or 90 kph limit at that intersection. These redlight cameras all over CM are a cash cow. Must catch hundreds or more every day. Link to post Share on other sites
brokenbone 3,468 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, stevenl said: No. If it isn't safe you don't stop. The photo will show that. No, he went through yellow when he should have stopped, see the photo. Unless he was driving too fast of course and couldn't stop, in which case the excuse is not really strong show me one single video clip when a police in any western country would come up with the idea of trying to bring an orange light crossing to court. this is a corrupt police fining legal driving, or alternatively, he doesnt know traffic law and should be sent to school as has been suggested recently Link to post Share on other sites
transam 50,119 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, stevenl said: No. If it isn't safe you don't stop. The photo will show that. No, he went through yellow when he should have stopped, see the photo. Unless he was driving too fast of course and couldn't stop, in which case the excuse is not really strong Ah, at last.... Link to post Share on other sites
eisfeld 2,272 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 The only sensible thing to do would be to have the camera take the picture at the exact time that the light turns red. If you crossed the line already you should be OK. Yellow light should be an indicator for drivers to prepare to stop if possible. That's what the law also seems to say. The the only thing the OP should do is ask if the picture is taking when the light turns red or after. If after then it's not evidence for anything. That's all theory of course. Reality: pay fine and move on Link to post Share on other sites
chang1 826 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, brokenbone said: show me one single video clip when a police in any western country would come up with the idea of trying to bring an orange light crossing to court. this is a corrupt police fining legal driving, or alternatively, he doesnt know traffic law and should be sent to school as has been suggested recently In South Australia they do but not with cameras. Link to post Share on other sites
chang1 826 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 21 minutes ago, stevenl said: 29 minutes ago, chang1 said: "if safe to stop on yellow you have to stop" you're making that up. No. Please show where it says that in the law. Link to post Share on other sites
Seth1a2a 810 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 hours ago, watcharacters said: if the light turns red when you are in the intersection you have broken the law and can receive a citation. That's the rule of thumb where I come from. Red-light camera tickets there currently cost $490-$525! (USD) ...... A 500 bht fine would be a blessing by comparison . OPs argument appears to be that the photo should show red instead of orange but if Thailand has the same red in the intersection rule printed on paper then obviously the appeal will be an uphill climb. Good luck if you decide to go ahead and fight it......Inquiring minds would like to know how things turn out. . Link to post Share on other sites
chang1 826 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Seth1a2a said: That's the rule of thumb where I come from. Red-light camera tickets there currently cost $490-$525! (USD) ...... A 500 bht fine would be a blessing by comparison . OPs argument appears to be that the photo should show red instead of orange but if Thailand has the same red in the intersection rule printed on paper then obviously the appeal will be an uphill climb. Good luck if you decide to go ahead and fight it......Inquiring minds would like to know how things turns out. "Yellow: the driver shall prepare to stop the vehicle behind the stop line. If the driver has passed the stop line when the traffic light turns yellow, he may go through. Red: the driver shall stop the vehicle behind the stop line." So no problem being in the intersection after the light changed. How could that ever work in slow moving traffic anyway? Link to post Share on other sites
chang1 826 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Before I get back to life. Something to think about - If prepare to stop actually means stop, why is there a red light at all? Surely it is redundant. Link to post Share on other sites
Samuel Smith 1,646 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 There is quite a decent time gap between one light going red & the next turning green. Plenty of time for cars passing on orange to clear the intersection. it's not about safety, but money. Link to post Share on other sites
alfieconn 2,536 Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 hours ago, stevenl said: There is timning on these photos, if it takes too long after crossing the photo will be made, within the margin (don't ask me what margin) there will be no photo made. We have now 2x someone crossing the line on yellow and getting fined, in both cases they were easily able to stop. . Link to post Share on other sites
alfieconn 2,536 Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 hours ago, stevenl said: No. If it isn't safe you don't stop. The photo will show that. No, he went through yellow when he should have stopped, see the photo. Unless he was driving too fast of course and couldn't stop, in which case the excuse is not really strong So what speed is to fast ? 60 kph is hardly excessive and being approx 20 meters from the stop line certainly wouldn't be able to stop. Link to post Share on other sites
JaiLai 1,799 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 This is my favourite topic today ( so far ), riveting stuff... Link to post Share on other sites
Almer 1,085 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 5 hours ago, alfieconn said: Thanks but you haven't answered any of my questions. Now will you get points deducted from your licence, did i hear you say what licence shame on you sir. Link to post Share on other sites
jackdd 8,850 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 The law says you should prepare to stop on yellow. Which probably means you should stop if you can, if it's not possible, then not. So it depends on factors which we don't know, because we just see these two pictures. Let's assume a few things: - This type of road usually allows 90km/h, so let's say you were driving about 90km/h - A traffic light at such a place does usually have a 5 second yellow light phase - The second picture was taken right when it switched to red - You were about 10m behind the stop line when it was taken With these assumptions we can do the math: 90km/h means 25m/s. 5 seconds means you travelled about 125 meters while the light was yellow. When the light switched to yellow you were about 115 meters away from the traffic light. According to some calculator which i found on Google the stopping distance at 90km/h is about 100 meters. If my assumptions are about correct, then you had enough time to stop which you should have done, by not doing so you broke the law. Link to post Share on other sites
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