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15 minutes ago, IsaanAussie said:

As I said rough numbers. I am assuming using the same gear and technique as usual, hence the same total volume sprayed. Also assuming the $9-10 per litre commercial "retail" price if buying in 1000 litre IBC's. 

So a healthy amount of chalk and cheese difference in our numbers.

Thanks I/A,brain fade revised to 800 odd plus wetter.

They don't state what area of coverage which makes it difficult. 

Still that's a lot compared to roundup at 55 baht/rai.

Have i balls'd something up in my calc.

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Arh, my brain hurts, took me five minutes to work out how to turn the calculator on! Besides your 55 baht/rai currently has me stunned. It cost me about 160/rai all up. 

Have to wait and see if they are interested in coming to Thailand first anyway.

 

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6 minutes ago, IsaanAussie said:

Arh, my brain hurts, took me five minutes to work out how to turn the calculator on! Besides your 55 baht/rai currently has me stunned. It cost me about 160/rai all up. 

Have to wait and see if they are interested in coming to Thailand first anyway.

 

Would be happy to trial some if you can get it in anyway.

Just looked up there website and it does give an area,wait 900-1400 litres of spray per hectare.

That makes the price even more scary.

Sorry didn't include running costs on either just product cost.

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Just now, farmerjo said:

Would be happy to trial some if you can get it in anyway.

Just looked up there website and it does give an area,wait 900-1400 litres of spray per hectare.

That makes the price even more scary.

Sorry didn't include running costs on either just product cost.

I read a technical sheet and thought the volume was high. They were concerned about drift and were talking about large droplets and needing complete foliar coverage. Well, that isn't going to happen easily around here. The fine spray used currently will get the foliage wet but with less water. They do say it is oily and hard to mix however. Very mixed reports in that review you posted as well.

Have to find out more I suppose.

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1 minute ago, CLW said:

The raw materials (pelargonic acid / nonoaic acid) can be imported in pure form and formulated here.
Should bring down the price as well.

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I would hope so cause at that rate your looking about 2200 baht/rai 1st pass on the minimum rate.

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Just now, CLW said:

The raw materials (pelargonic acid / nonoaic acid) can be imported in pure form and formulated here.
Should bring down the price as well.

Agreed. Shipping 40-50% water is not ideal. The most viable answer is to ship the acid and licence the blending and distribution locally.

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Just now, farmerjo said:

I would hope so cause at that rate your looking about 2200 baht/rai 1st pass on the minimum rate.

I will definitely not be looking at that sort of cost. 

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Agreed. Shipping 40-50% water is not ideal. The most viable answer is to ship the acid and licence the blending and distribution locally.
Given my basic knowledge in chemistry it should be not so hard to formulate herbicide from the active ingredient acid.

An emulsifier to be able to make a solution in water plus a wetting agent such as Wetcit.

Sometimes Chinese suppliers are willing to send a sample let's say 1 liter. That should be enough for some trials.

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1 minute ago, IsaanAussie said:

I will definitely not be looking at that sort of cost. 

It's disappointing they aren't enforced to put the area on the label,it's a rort.

Mind you other than the big boys we all don't like,nobody puts it on here in Thailand.

Anybody noticed that. 

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1 minute ago, CLW said:

Given my basic knowledge in chemistry it should be not so hard to formulate herbicide from the active ingredient acid.

An emulsifier to be able to make a solution in water plus a wetting agent such as Wetcit.

Sometimes Chinese suppliers are willing to send a sample let's say 1 liter. That should be enough for some trials.

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Given the rates required and being corrosive,would be lucky to have the fenders left on the poor ole tractor after a tank full of spray.😀

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28 minutes ago, IsaanAussie said:

I read a technical sheet and thought the volume was high. They were concerned about drift and were talking about large droplets and needing complete foliar coverage. Well, that isn't going to happen easily around here. The fine spray used currently will get the foliage wet but with less water. They do say it is oily and hard to mix however. Very mixed reports in that review you posted as well.

Have to find out more I suppose.

There would still be a market for schools,government,public places etc

Yet that may be our only farmers left option after a ban other than tillage,tillage and more tillage.

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Word on the soi.

My Thai friend's own a couple of big chemical and fertilizer shops.

When i asked about licenses,courses,bans etc,she said not to panic.

They have been cut back with the amount of bulk supply on orders,so if they order 10 pallets of a product they will only receive 2 at a time.I purchased 240 litres of roundup and 100 litres of paraquat no problem.

She also mentioned the product will be the same in future with a label change.

I was not sure how to read into that one.

Her other thoughts were it was going to take a couple of years to phase out.

  

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Just now, farmerjo said:

She also mentioned the product will be the same in future with a label change.

I was not sure how to read into that one.

Her other thoughts were it was going to take a couple of years to phase out.

  

Politics.... 

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15 minutes ago, IsaanAussie said:

Politics.... 

Yep,i probably spent 38,000 today for nothing.

Still,i'm pretty comfortable there will be a buy back if something was to happen. 

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