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If you just farmed maize they should not be a problem ,the only chemical we used was Atrazin as a pre emergent ,as has been said working the land before drilling will help with weed control and that is the problem a one pass cultivator ,with   say 2 rows ridged tines ,,say 2 rows of spring tins ,and some harrow tins would do the land some good but it will also lift the weeds and they will dry out and die .

They are used in the west for one pass cultivating they should work over here ,and when the crop is growing some inter row tine harrows would clear the weed seedlings ,until the crop grows and shads out the weeds 

The problem is timing, land work has to be done before the rains ,to give the weeds time to die ,and of coarse the cost, it has always cheaper to run a sprayer over a field than to use lots of hp pulling ploughs ect up and down a field .

This is just one crop ,where changes can be made ,and have direct drilling is becoming popular now.

But large part Thai agriculture ,change will not be easy. 

And as I see it it could be a catch 22 ,cassava and sugar cane are used for gasohol  so cutting down on expensive imports of crude oil ,and Thailand ,was the biggest exporter of cassava , rice farmers will say they costs will go up and they will want more handouts from the government ,

These chemical control measures   will keep the tree huger's happy but  it could hurt the Thai economy if more expensive  more environmentally friendly  alternatives are used .

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34 minutes ago, IsaanAussie said:

What problem will you have? Labels are cheap

 

Taita have said to the NHSC they will apply to the administrive court to have all stockpiled stuff that farmers hold be reinburse which currently is valued at about 10 million baht.  

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38 minutes ago, kickstart said:

If you just farmed maize they should not be a problem ,the only chemical we used was Atrazin as a pre emergent ,as has been said working the land before drilling will help with weed control and that is the problem a one pass cultivator ,with   say 2 rows ridged tines ,,say 2 rows of spring tins ,and some harrow tins would do the land some good but it will also lift the weeds and they will dry out and die .

They are used in the west for one pass cultivating they should work over here ,and when the crop is growing some inter row tine harrows would clear the weed seedlings ,until the crop grows and shads out the weeds 

The problem is timing, land work has to be done before the rains ,to give the weeds time to die ,and of coarse the cost, it has always cheaper to run a sprayer over a field than to use lots of hp pulling ploughs ect up and down a field .

This is just one crop ,where changes can be made ,and have direct drilling is becoming popular now.

But large part Thai agriculture ,change will not be easy. 

And as I see it it could be a catch 22 ,cassava and sugar cane are used for gasohol  so cutting down on expensive imports of crude oil ,and Thailand ,was the biggest exporter of cassava , rice farmers will say they costs will go up and they will want more handouts from the government ,

These chemical control measures   will keep the tree huger's happy but  it could hurt the Thai economy if more expensive  more environmentally friendly  alternatives are used .

I could never get the use of attrizine right,allways to wet or to dry on my soils.

I've spent the good part of 4-5 years and lot of baht on R&D to get my no-till were it is KS as you know.

Would be a lot easy for the plough and tillage guys to adjust.

But i don't see that moving broadacre farming forward here,yields will be the same for years to come. 

The day i have to turn that soil again i will sell up or buy 2 cows to run on it to keep the government happy it's farmland.

Were not eligible for subsidies.  

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Hi KS.

I was just reading in the business section acedemics reakon it will affect the sugar industry by 570 billion alone.

One thing i've been thinking about also since I/A showed us a new alternative is the spraying WATER required will rise 6 fold,will there be enough or are farmers going to have to tap into village water supplies.

 

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Atrazine doesn't seem to be a good alternative either, unfortunately...

"Its use was banned in the European Union in 2004, when the EU found groundwater levels exceeding the limits set by regulators, and Syngenta could not show that this could be prevented nor that these levels were safe."

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1 hour ago, CLW said:

Atrazine doesn't seem to be a good alternative either, unfortunately...

"Its use was banned in the European Union in 2004, when the EU found groundwater levels exceeding the limits set by regulators, and Syngenta could not show that this could be prevented nor that these levels were safe."

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When they started talking about the bans,that was the 1st one i thought would be top of the list.

Can lead to mono cropping.

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We have a large reservoir in our village. Maybe 600 metres by 200m. It was dug out by the government about 12 years ago. Because it is sited on an existing marsh area it is always at least half full. They built a water tower and pumphouse and "Somchai" and friends installed a 2" plastic main throughout the village all of 2" under ground, (didnt last long). But none of the pumps have ever been started. No-one will pay for unfiltered runoff water, for that matter for any water. We do have an annual fishing competition on the pond that attracts hundreds and raises money, but no water is "officially" used. A few 1" small pumps and hoses.

One day, I am going to put my 3" pump in that pond and fill my ponds. But now, TIT.

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Unfiltered water,yes you have to be pretty perdantic when it comes to water quality for spraying.

I usually use my lake water for spraying but on a year like this where the water is stagnate from lack of rain to overflow and flush it,i had to settle for using bore water.

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I have to say our #2 orchard in Nam On is looking a lot like the pic in the original post!  Because everyone is harvesting rice and corn there is no labour to hire ATM.  So the weeds keep growing. I was up there a week ago and had to use a sythe to cut the weeds around each tree to get in and prune. I understand why people use weed killer, I am seeing the results in Nam Om of not using it.  And I understand those that want to stop the use of weed killer, but they have to offer alternative product that is reasonably priced and effective or they will be creating a  black-market in weed killer and other product.  

On 10/19/2019 at 2:22 PM, farmerjo said:

Hi KS.

I was just reading in the business section acedemics reakon it will affect the sugar industry by 570 billion alone.

One thing i've been thinking about also since I/A showed us a new alternative is the spraying WATER required will rise 6 fold,will there be enough or are farmers going to have to tap into village water supplies.

 

We already tap into the town water supply in the dry season!  I've taken the airbus out to water the trees with town water every year. Despite having our dam deepened by 2 metres we cannot get enough ground water in the dam to irrigate 5 times. And there is no extra ground to make it bigger!  So we have to use the town water to the tune of 35k litres/year or more when you bring in spraying chemi. And I would imagine that this is  happening all over our district...except over at Wang Qung has an ag coop dam which is huge! 

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30 minutes ago, Grumpy John said:

I have to say our #2 orchard in Nam On is looking a lot like the pic in the original post!  Because everyone is harvesting rice and corn there is no labour to hire ATM.  So the weeds keep growing. I was up there a week ago and had to use a sythe to cut the weeds around each tree to get in and prune. I understand why people use weed killer, I am seeing the results in Nam Om of not using it.  And I understand those that want to stop the use of weed killer, but they have to offer alternative product that is reasonably priced and effective or they will be creating a  black-market in weed killer and other product.  

We already tap into the town water supply in the dry season!  I've taken the airbus out to water the trees with town water every year. Despite having our dam deepened by 2 metres we cannot get enough ground water in the dam to irrigate 5 times. And there is no extra ground to make it bigger!  So we have to use the town water to the tune of 35k litres/year or more when you bring in spraying chemi. And I would imagine that this is  happening all over our district...except over at Wang Qung has an ag coop dam which is huge! 

You have a scythe? Is it really a scythe, about a meter and a half long with a half meter blade? Or is it a sickle? hand held.

I am looking for a proper scythe.

 

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Just now, canuckamuck said:

You have a scythe? Is it really a scythe, about a meter and a half long with a half meter blade? Or is it a sickle? hand held.

I am looking for a proper scythe.

 

I have a close by friend that has a number of them and uses them regularly. (Sharpens/hones more regularly probably). Wins the race against a 4 stroke brush cutter. 

It came from India, he was thinking of importing them

 

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