UK faces food, fuel and drugs shortages in no-deal Brexit: Times, citing official documents

[Handsome Gardener]

4 hours ago, evadgib said:

Some Debunkery for a no news day:

 

New service to deliver urgent medicines and medical products into UK

 

One million granted status under the EU Settlement Scheme

 

International Development Secretary letter to civil society organisations about the Government’s planning for Brexit

 

Fishermen in over 12m fleet urged to register now to be ready for EU exit

 

HMG seem to be getting on with it no matter how hard Dom-the-Weasel and Co try to scupper them.

So lets move onto the links from the bankers, retailers, industrialists, scientists, doctors, farmers, house builders, manufacturers, all telling you you're insane (no offence) - surely even in a brexiteers head it is inconceivable that all of these experts in their own fields could be wrong!

 

They have analysis, you have hope! 

 

You always seem to skip past them with a meaningless (and unfounded) 'project fear' response-- but nothing whatsoever to dissect and debunk their concerns. 

 

ALL of them wrong correct ?

 

Oops edited to add my 15th request for a brexiteer to explain why the pound isn't rising with Brexit on the horizon ? 

[ThaiBunny]

1 minute ago, Handsome Gardener said:

So lets move onto the links from the bankers, retailers, industrialists, scientists, doctors, farmers, house builders, manufacturers, all telling you you're insane (no offence) - surely even in a brexiteers head it is inconceivable that all of these experts in their own fields could be wrong!

It's equally possible to produce a list of bankers, retailers, industrialists, scientists, doctors, farmers, house builders, manufacturers all saying the opposite. The problem is that during the referendum the Governor of the Bank of England, no less, promised that the sky would fall in if the referendum passed. And here we are, three years later.  You can buy any opinion you like, either by cash or by pressure. The story of how the ratings agencies contributed to the 2008/9 crisis is one not enough people have learned. My position is that a good dose of healthy scepticism all round - both pro- and anti-Brexit - is the only worthwhile position

[Handsome Gardener]

17 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

'More scaremongering amongst those wishing to stay in the EU

 

It's a government report - don't they want to leave ?

[Handsome Gardener]

1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Reminds me of the Y2K hysteria, all the planes would fall out the sky at midnight. As with Y2K Brexit will pass largely un-noticed by man on the street. The scare tactics have long proven ineffective.

Not again - how many more times is this non comparison going to be made. IF there had been a problem with the date it would be fixed with a few patches here and there (which happened with some legacy systems) - comparing this tiny event to Brexit just shows the complete lack of understanding of the enormity of this act of self destruction (yet hilariously people trying to stop it are accused of being non patriotic !!). There is no one less patriotic than someone who voted for Brexit (they just don't know it)

 

I was one of the people predicting the world would end on Dec31st 1999 - why ? I and all my colleagues in our industry made millions of pounds in overtime leading up to, and during that time, and from on call rotas after putting the fear of god into our bosses. Banks were absolutely crapping themselves as we filled their heads with doubts. Most of us spent the night asleep in the office as we knew absolutely sod all would happen.

[Jip99]

4 minutes ago, Handsome Gardener said:

Not again - how many more times is this non comparison going to be made. IF there had been a problem with the date it would be fixed with a few patches here and there (which happened with some legacy systems) - comparing this tiny event to Brexit just shows the complete lack of understanding of the enormity of this act of self destruction (yet hilariously people trying to stop it are accused of being non patriotic !!). There is no one less patriotic than someone who voted for Brexit (they just don't know it)

 

I was one of the people predicting the world would end on Dec31st 1999 - why ? I and all my colleagues in our industry made millions of pounds in overtime leading up to, and during that time, and from on call rotas after putting the fear of god into our bosses. Banks were absolutely crapping themselves as we filled their heads with doubts. Most of us spent the night asleep in the office as we knew absolutely sod all would happen.

 

 

This "tiny event" cost $200 billion...   "non comparison" indeed.

 

 

 

 

[dunroaming]

6 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

This must be pretty confusing for the Brexiteers. Not May’s traitors and remainers cabinet anymore but still Project Fear? 

Yes they are getting good at project fear these days.  The economists, businesses, politicians (including 20 Tory MPs) from all parties and now the NHS.  My wife received a letter this week saying that there could be a problem getting repeat prescriptions for one of the medicines she depends on if we end up with a no deal Brexit.  It was from the GP but as a result of them receiving a warning from the NHS.

 

Impressive to get that many organisations on board.  Of course the learned Brexiteers know better.  

[Handsome Gardener]

4 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

This "tiny event" cost $200 billion...   "non comparison" indeed.

 

 

 

 

That figure comes from where ? I think you may have lent on the '0' key!

 

Read what I said - people in the know always knew it would be a non-event - it was groundless but we earnt an absolute fortune checking stuff we knew would be ok, working round the clock staying in plush hotels, room service in the extreme as our bosses had a limitless budget to get it over the line - it was Verve Cliquet all round for months and no expense was ever questioned. Contractors were jumping ship for £2000 a day contracts. All that adds up obviously times by how many companies were crapping themselves.

 

Brexit however is real

[Ketyo]

We should all be glad we don't live in that shithole country.

 

Unless any of us have our money in GB £.

 

In which case those people should be scared they don't live in a shithole country.

[Jip99]

5 minutes ago, Ketyo said:

We should all be glad we don't live in that shithole country.

 

Unless any of us have our money in GB £.

 

In which case those people should be scared they don't live in a shithole country.

 

 

I am guessing you must live in a sh!thole  country.

[Jip99]

13 minutes ago, Handsome Gardener said:

That figure comes from where ? I think you may have lent on the '0' key!

 

Read what I said - people in the know always knew it would be a non-event - it was groundless but we earnt an absolute fortune checking stuff we knew would be ok, working round the clock staying in plush hotels, room service in the extreme as our bosses had a limitless budget to get it over the line - it was Verve Cliquet all round for months and no expense was ever questioned. Contractors were jumping ship for £2000 a day contracts. All that adds up obviously times by how many companies were crapping themselves.

 

Brexit however is real

 

 

As I said, maths and remainers........................... not a good mix.

 

 

From your beloved Guardian..

 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2000/jan/05/y2k.guardiananalysispage

[puipuitom]

4 hours ago, Sydebolle said:

a)  Well, the allied forces fed Berlin in 1948 with an air bridge and that answers it.

b) All real undiluted bol"*ç%*"cks, all those suppliers of whatever it is are interested to keep on supplying, be it overland (i.e. the tunnel), boat or air in as much as the UK will be interested in buying. It works both ways, I wonder if Juncker and his cronies would put a penalty (c)tax of 50'000% on Twinings Tea or After Eight chocolate.

Don't get carried away by these clowns in Brussels or the "stayers" within the UK - carry on executing the peoples will - everything else will fall into place. 

a) Berlin had then less as 1 million mouths to till. the UK a 67 million.

b) Import duties into the EU are NOT anything the departing president of the EU Committee has anything to say about, but the ministers of Finance of the EU member states. As the UK is leaving, the interests for any British comment is zero,nothing.

c) for tariffs on products from non-EU states, all WTO etc, as the British prefer, please see the short list attached or the real data:  https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/taric_consultation.jsp?Lang=en. There is never a penalty tax, just.. a "third coutries' tax with some preferences for states falling under "a deal" 

[puipuitom]

2 hours ago, stephenterry said:

a) Well, of course there are going to be shortages. That's one consequence of leaving the EU. If it's a no-deal scenario with no transitional period, even rationing could occur.

 

Trouble is, the UK population, having been brought up to expect everything and anything would be available for the rest of their natural will get a rude awakening, especially with a lesser support from the NHS services (b) . And, as in the 70's (c) long queues at petrol stations and supermarkets. 

 

d) Can the UK survive it? Of course - WITH A PLAN IN PLACE which is lacking. The Tory government just hasn't got its act together. Makes me sick.

a) For the moment Cameron came with the idea of a referendum, the British had time to develop several plans. It seems till now only the private companies - by stockpiling huge quantities - as the British public - by gathering over GBP 4 Bn in goods - show to have a plan.

b) Thanks to Boris the Magnificent, form 1 Nov all problems at the NHS are over with a GBP 350 million per week.

c) Wasn't it in that period, the UK - on its knees - was allowed to join the EU ( then ECC) ? 

d) Happily the "Brexit Now" has a complete plan ready....

[puipuitom]

4 hours ago, Percy P said:

Can't be any worse then after the 1st, 2nd world wars. Started by our European neighbours Germany

a) Read a littlebit more about the history 1900-1914, in which the British did not skip ONE chance to hurt the Germans

b) It was the Austrian-Hungarian Empitre, who started WO1

C) When the Allied would have followed the advises of a British economical adviser, John Milton Keynes, and did not hurt Germany so much, the French did not behave so bad in the Rheinland with result a complete strike, followed by a huge inflation, and the Americans would not have withdrawn all their lowns to German, with result a strike, followed by a huge inflation, Hitler would be only remembered as a painter

[stephenterry]

22 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

a) Berlin had then less as 1 million mouths to till. the UK a 67 million.

b) Import duties into the EU are NOT anything the departing president of the EU Committee has anything to say about, but the ministers of Finance of the EU member states. As the UK is leaving, the interests for any British comment is zero,nothing.

c) for tariffs on products from non-EU states, all WTO etc, as the British prefer, please see the short list attached or the real data:  https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/taric_consultation.jsp?Lang=en. There is never a penalty tax, just.. a "third coutries' tax with some preferences for states falling under "a deal" 

Great news. The top five EU tariffs:- 

 

Dairy products - 35.4

Sugars and confectionery - 23.6

Beverages and tobacco - 19.6 

Animal products - 15.7

Cereals and preparation - 12.8

 

 - are the most toxic and/or unhealthy. The UK nutritional diet would benefit immensely if the population focused on alternative  - and less expensive - foods. And stopped smoking.

 

At long last, a benefit from leaving the EU. 

[grumpy 4680]

    Lots more B/S from the remain brigade, UK bosses have had 3 years to prepare, if they have not built new factories to become more self sufficient in various food items from Europe, or arranged for raw materials from other sources, THEN BLAME the bosses, not the government.

 

   I dare say the French will be bloody minded as usual, to hinder all they can.

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, Handsome Gardener said:

Oops edited to add my 15th request for a brexiteer to explain why the pound isn't rising with Brexit on the horizon ? 

I b'aint an e-communist but i'd have thought the answer was obvious...

[zorrow424]

2 hours ago, Handsome Gardener said:

So lets move onto the links from the bankers, retailers, industrialists, scientists, doctors, farmers, house builders, manufacturers, all telling you you're insane (no offence) - surely even in a brexiteers head it is inconceivable that all of these experts in their own fields could be wrong!

 

They have analysis, you have hope! 

 

You always seem to skip past them with a meaningless (and unfounded) 'project fear' response-- but nothing whatsoever to dissect and debunk their concerns. 

 

ALL of them wrong correct ?

 

Oops edited to add my 15th request for a brexiteer to explain why the pound isn't rising with Brexit on the horizon ? 

Keep Calm and Carry ON        LOL  

 

So what?   ND day coming soon enough,job done Boris  well done indeed Mr Prime Minister.   The backstop worked wonders,who would have thought it was the key in UKs success story.         Just want Eire to remain in EU now,those useful idiots did the UK proud,one foot on Eire's neck would force anything from EU

[Becker]

56 minutes ago, evadgib said:

I b'aint an e-communist but i'd have thought the answer was obvious...

Oh great, another conspiracy theorist...

 

[billd766]

7 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

Is it true that we wont have electricity after Brexit and water will be rationed?
Oh God i just heard the production of marmite is to be stopped.

Sent from my SM-A720F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

You do realise that Marmite should be banned as it comes under the nuclear, biological and chemical warfare rules.

[puipuitom]

9 hours ago, zorrow424 said:

This is a good quote,thanks. 

  Shipping companies have been approached as to bringing produce back to UK via refrigerated container ships from the likes of mid western African countries that produced in huge quantities before the french CAP,will destroy Spain though

  Into Southampton /Liverpool  onto rail system for distribution,freeing up UK roads from foreign truckers    Ideal situation   sailing through Biscay will be quicker too after WTO checking of land transport

Real laughing will come up, when the transport times by container vessel from Western African ports towards Southampton / Liverpool will show up... and the food safety precautions made there…. 

[puipuitom]

4 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Reminds me of the Y2K hysteria, all the planes would fall out the sky at midnight. As with Y2K Brexit will pass largely un-noticed by man on the street. The scare tactics have long proven ineffective.

And how much is done by ICT-specialists to AVOID any problem ? ?

[evadgib]

8 minutes ago, Becker said:

Oh great, another conspiracy theorist...

 

Oh Great, Another bored (remain-sympathizing) troll. Disagree by all means but try being original and making us laugh in the process ????

[billd766]

5 hours ago, stephenterry said:

Well, of course there are going to be shortages. That's one consequence of leaving the EU. If it's a no-deal scenario with no transitional period, even rationing could occur.

 

Trouble is, the UK population, having been brought up to expect everything and anything would be available for the rest of their natural will get a rude awakening, especially with a lesser support from the NHS services. And, as in the 70's long queues at petrol stations and supermarkets. 

 

Can the UK survive it? Of course - WITH A PLAN IN PLACE which is lacking. The Tory government just hasn't got its act together. Makes me sick.

 

The main problem with not having a plan in place can be fairly laid at the feet of Teresa May and Philip Hammond, neither of whom had any intention of formally exiting the EU.

 

3 hours ago, Handsome Gardener said:

Wrong post. Sorry

 

[billd766]

3 hours ago, Handsome Gardener said:

The same government that gave us the bus ? How misleading was that ?

 

If you don't bother to read the articles you will never learn - that would be a missed opportunity

That was debunked long before your name change.

 

Well it didn't seem to mislead most of us fick as Brexiteers. Perhaps it was the Remainers who were misled, especially with all their superior university education.

[zorrow424]

13 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Real laughing will come up, when the transport times by container vessel from Western African ports towards Southampton / Liverpool will show up... and the food safety precautions made there…. 

No made at source,part of pre-planning        keep it coming  lol

[Becker]

16 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Oh Great, Another bored (remain-sympathizing) troll. Disagree by all means but try being original and making us laugh in the process ????

Why would I when all you achieved was making me yawn.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, Handsome Gardener said:

It's a government report - don't they want to leave ?

It depends on which part of the government wrote it.

 

Leavers or Remainers.

3 hours ago, Handsome Gardener said:

Not again - how many more times is this non comparison going to be made. IF there had been a problem with the date it would be fixed with a few patches here and there (which happened with some legacy systems) - comparing this tiny event to Brexit just shows the complete lack of understanding of the enormity of this act of self destruction (yet hilariously people trying to stop it are accused of being non patriotic !!). There is no one less patriotic than someone who voted for Brexit (they just don't know it)

 

I was one of the people predicting the world would end on Dec31st 1999 - why ? I and all my colleagues in our industry made millions of pounds in overtime leading up to, and during that time, and from on call rotas after putting the fear of god into our bosses. Banks were absolutely crapping themselves as we filled their heads with doubts. Most of us spent the night asleep in the office as we knew absolutely sod all would happen.

And you actually have the gall to admit to what you did?

 

Obviously earning respect is beyond your capabilities.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, grumpy 4680 said:

    Lots more B/S from the remain brigade, UK bosses have had 3 years to prepare, if they have not built new factories to become more self sufficient in various food items from Europe, or arranged for raw materials from other sources, THEN BLAME the bosses, not the government.

 

   I dare say the French will be bloody minded as usual, to hinder all they can.

Oh non.

[tebee]

2 hours ago, grumpy 4680 said:

    Lots more B/S from the remain brigade, UK bosses have had 3 years to prepare, if they have not built new factories to become more self sufficient in various food items from Europe, or arranged for raw materials from other sources, THEN BLAME the bosses, not the government.

 

   I dare say the French will be bloody minded as usual, to hinder all they can.

I hate to point this out to you, but most food items are not made in factories .....

 

Would you want them if they were ?

[candide]

2 hours ago, stephenterry said:

Great news. The top five EU tariffs:- 

 

Dairy products - 35.4

Sugars and confectionery - 23.6

Beverages and tobacco - 19.6 

Animal products - 15.7

Cereals and preparation - 12.8

 

 - are the most toxic and/or unhealthy. The UK nutritional diet would benefit immensely if the population focused on alternative  - and less expensive - foods. And stopped smoking.

 

At long last, a benefit from leaving the EU. 

How would tariffs imposed on UK exports by the EU reduce imports of these products by the UK?