Sealbash Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 well you both can't be right. Bar stool analysis vs tourist attraction analysis. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 19 hours ago, Anythingleft? said: A bit like more seasoned stayers in general, a high percentage also stay away from the local shops and markets due to the incessant ripping off and double pricing Going to the chains, while boring and mediocre, means that you pay the same as everybody else Nobody enjoys getting ripped off..... Sent from my SM-N950F using Tapatalk Good point. The markets would just throw a crazy price at you, hoping you will pay, and many did, only to find out they were ripped off, at a later point in time. This practice has pushed the new demographic of tourists into the retail chains, and away from the markets and street sellers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 1 hour ago, jacko45k said: I had a friend who had a small cafe/bar poolside in a hotel. At that time the clients, mostly Russian, were forever asking him or his wife, to top off the 7-11 bought noodles with hot water from his dispenser, for free. And he did it... out of business now. The Chinese and Indians appear to holiday like backpackers, but without even the cheap alcohol. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sealbash Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 it might well be - but what are they doing ? walking around the street I think they have taken the name literally "walking street" I have been here a long time and never seen it so quiet, if it doesn't pick up very soon whole streets will be wiped out, soi7 soi8, soi10 soi11 12 13 - diana etc Those streets you mentioned being wiped out - is that a good or a bad thing. Or indifferent?Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Sealbash said: Those streets you mentioned being wiped out - is that a good or a bad thing. Or indifferent? Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app It's not so much whether it's a good or bad thing if whole Soi's are wiped out. It's more a question of why are once thriving and profitable Soi's now having closed businesses or very little customers in them? Just look at the two Wonderful Bars in the that area. They used to have a lot of customers, even in low season, now they are absolutely dead. I believe they are owned by a policeman, so will probably survive, but that doesn't mean they are profitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 16 hours ago, Leaver said: Just look at the two Wonderful Bars in the that area. They used to have a lot of customers, even in low season, now they are absolutely dead. I believe they are owned by a policeman, so will probably survive, but that doesn't mean they are profitable. My recollection was a Danish or Finnish guy, whose Thai wife ultimately managed to get them off him. Perhaps Chinese whispers. I recently passed Bodega, the new kid on the block, and it was doing OK. Wonderful Bars used to have cheap beer all night, a load of girls of varying ages and weights, and you could buy a lady a drink without paying a premium. Not the case these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topt Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 hours ago, jacko45k said: My recollection was a Danish or Finnish guy, 10 years ago was certainly owned by a policeman - confirmed by girls who worked there at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 hours ago, jacko45k said: Wonderful Bars used to have cheap beer all night, a load of girls of varying ages and weights, and you could buy a lady a drink without paying a premium. Not the case these days. The music was good also. Now, they are better off being demolished and turned into a 7/11 or Family Mart. These are the only businesses I see that are busy at the moment in the Central Pattaya area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, topt said: 10 years ago was certainly owned by a policeman - confirmed by girls who worked there at the time. Oh sorry, I was going back much further, to the time there was only one and it was smaller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fhickson Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 i have a thought: who cares? the services i need will still be available and prices likely wont change much or not enough to matter to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadWarrior371 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/26/2019 at 11:39 PM, Sealbash said: Those streets you mentioned being wiped out - is that a good or a bad thing. Or indifferent? Not a bad thing. Probably a high percentage of bar street customers were down-and-out Brits and such, who can no longer afford Thailand due to their own financial mess. That small sliver of tourist income will be replaced with another, life goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdong Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/18/2019 at 8:23 AM, banglay said: Pattaya Metamorphosing like a Butterfly.... four stages Egg . Larva , Pupa and finally a beautiful butterfly . Pattaya stage one (the Egg)_ ... a sleepy quaint fishing village Stage Two ..( Larva) ... the Yankees arrive and turned into a rustic city of sin stage Three (Pupa ) Now ! the city tries to modernise and struggles against the times. Stage Four ( Beautiful Butterfly).. Pattaya become a international renowned family beach resort.(winning the best place to visit for 25 yrs in a row) whoop stage four never happens due to the Pupas being harvested by some poor guy/girl from Isaan and deep fried and sold from a cart.... The Thai equivalent the killing the golden goose lol you missed stage 5----then it rolls a double 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdong Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 6 hours ago, RoadWarrior371 said: Not a bad thing. Probably a high percentage of bar street customers were down-and-out Brits and such, who can no longer afford Thailand due to their own financial mess. That small sliver of tourist income will be replaced with another, life goes on. who are these tourists that are going to replace the "down and out brits"lot nicer cheaper places in the world you can go to than the "los"will be coming out later for one reason---poontang,will only spend 2 weeks max in pattaya and visiting other countries,the fact is thailand is a third world country with [now] 1st world aspirations and prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdong Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 3:21 AM, Leaver said: The Chinese and Indians appear to holiday like backpackers, but without even the cheap alcohol. ???? paradoxically it isn,t the backpackers and travellers [i don,t mean gypsies] who ruin resorts its foreign tourism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdong Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 3:29 AM, Banana7 said: My prediction is that high season will be slower than 2018-2019 high season. In regards to cash trading hands, down 10-20% from last high season. Primary reasons are reduced independent foreign tourists and long stay expats. The numbers are reduced due to strict immigration enforcement, very strong baht, high prices compared to world prices and forthcoming recession. Small and medium size business will be hardest hit. Big chain hotels, big organized tour groups catering to medium and high end Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Indian will be OK. Pattaya is tuning into the high-end family based resort town away from the cheap charlie or retired expat model. Western tourists will be scarce due to currency devaluation, and lower economic activity. Many European countries already have negative interest rates. US treasure yield curve has been inverted several months which indicates a recession is coming. People are saving cash not spending due to the coming recession. Lots of reports of foreign boyfriends having ceased sponsoring depositing/sending "retainers" to their Thai girlfriends. all you said is sad but true,high end family based resort town?i think they,ve been trying to do that for the last 5 years,can,t see it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdong Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/19/2019 at 6:30 AM, madmen said: Any facts to back that? And no porn the beer bar girl saying no boom boom Hab not many customer doesn't count theres a worldwide recession in the post,you,ve just got to look back and see what caused previous recessions,the next ones going to be worldwide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyboy2018 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Pattaya was rammed last year. Take a stroll down WS on NYE. There have been less yanks for years and there will be less whites in general in the future. But it is still the busiest city in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 9 hours ago, kingdong said: all you said is sad but true,high end family based resort town?i think they,ve been trying to do that for the last 5 years,can,t see it happening. Thailand has positioned itself in a strange place in the market. In general, it's too cheap and nasty for the wealthy, now too expensive for the middle class, so that just leaves the cheap mass tourism package holiday market, which is currently the Chinese and Indians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 On 8/29/2019 at 7:22 AM, sunnyboy2018 said: Pattaya was rammed last year. Take a stroll down WS on NYE. There have been less yanks for years and there will be less whites in general in the future. But it is still the busiest city in Thailand. Do you think NYE, which is in the peak season, not high season, is a good indication of a high season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 On 8/29/2019 at 6:49 AM, kingdong said: theres a worldwide recession in the post,you,ve just got to look back and see what caused previous recessions,the next ones going to be worldwide. I agree, and there will be no safe haven from this one. Not even cash in the bank will be safe, with countries moving towards negative interest rates. Like most recessions, the rich will buy up more assets and consolidate their position for the future, as aspiring middle class crash out of the game, with the poor getting poorer. Trade wars, currency manipulation, job losses, zero wage growth, higher costs of living, higher taxes etc will all contribute to less tourists coming to Thailand when it hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivas Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 The amount of bar owners claiming "all is well" is simply staggering across the board. You got the three currencies that make up 95% of "traditional" visitors at horrendous levels (Sterling Euro AUD) because of their weakness against the USD on one side of the currency pairing and the Bahts strength against that same USD on the opposite side There is nothing whatsover on the horizon to lift the Euro from 33 and AUD from 20 and with Boris currently hell bent on driving the Brits off a cliff they could be sat at 35 come November 1st Thats got absolutely nothing to with Thailand though. Now what would ease the pain slightly is the Thais weakening the all important Dollar/Baht ratio back out to 33 which to be fair to the Thais that seems what they actually want. The fly in the ointment is their $220 Billion of foreign reserves and the country being seen as a safe haven for incoming monies which continue to pour in. There will simply be no high season anytime soon. Its close to over and more closer than some actually realise.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 18 hours ago, Chivas said: The amount of bar owners claiming "all is well" is simply staggering across the board. You got the three currencies that make up 95% of "traditional" visitors at horrendous levels (Sterling Euro AUD) because of their weakness against the USD on one side of the currency pairing and the Bahts strength against that same USD on the opposite side There is nothing whatsover on the horizon to lift the Euro from 33 and AUD from 20 and with Boris currently hell bent on driving the Brits off a cliff they could be sat at 35 come November 1st Thats got absolutely nothing to with Thailand though. Now what would ease the pain slightly is the Thais weakening the all important Dollar/Baht ratio back out to 33 which to be fair to the Thais that seems what they actually want. The fly in the ointment is their $220 Billion of foreign reserves and the country being seen as a safe haven for incoming monies which continue to pour in. There will simply be no high season anytime soon. Its close to over and more closer than some actually realise.... I agree with your post. A global economic downturn will see many westerners unable to afford to holiday in Thailand, and not just for the coming high season, but for many high seasons to come. As you say, the high season is over, and will not be back, as we know it, anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fhickson Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 does anyone know why there are fewer western tourists and/or retirees in pattaya now? and where is it they are going in instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrobay Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 High season along Beach rd preview. For those Westerners who happen to visit this high season for relaxing days - most likely are not coming back. In Addition to all the other ongoing construction especially the North Pattaya area and now even into Naklua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertik Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Was "REM" I think sang...."It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine" Been coming here since '72 and have to agree things have changed, however I plan on having a high season this year as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 On 9/2/2019 at 12:03 AM, fhickson said: does anyone know why there are fewer western tourists and/or retirees in pattaya now? and where is it they are going in instead? http://vietnamtourism.gov.vn/english/index.php/items/14177 Whilst Vietnam gets less tourists than Thailand, you will see they have a 14% increase on the same time last year. I would suggest many of these 14% are western tourist that used to holiday in Thailand, particularly the snowbird market. These figures are the reason why there is a thread in the Pattaya news forum that "Vietnam is scary for Pattaya." Look at the graph for European arrivals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Right now it's not looking to good for the coming high season I was talking to someone I know with a decent sized hotel in Phuket town and they said they are down by 50% this year so I dont know where all these figures come from, I see on the internet rooms in Patong 250 baht a night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 13 minutes ago, ChipButty said: Right now it's not looking to good for the coming high season I was talking to someone I know with a decent sized hotel in Phuket town and they said they are down by 50% this year so I dont know where all these figures come from, I see on the internet rooms in Patong 250 baht a night Did you ask your friend about their hotel's advanced bookings, for the high season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapd Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 On 9/1/2019 at 7:03 AM, fhickson said: does anyone know why there are fewer western tourists and/or retirees in pattaya now? and where is it they are going in instead? I think the poor exchange rate has a lot to do with it. No idea where they are going instead if anywhere. Maybe the Philippines which has a relatively good exchange rate right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 5 hours ago, Leaver said: Did you ask your friend about their hotel's advanced bookings, for the high season? Im afraid I didn't I'll ask if I see her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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