Video Assistant Referee (VAR)

[Bredbury Blue 2,538]

14 hours ago, stephenterry said:

And you don't think that happens already? Watched Leicester, recently? That's what Vardy is all about. However, I think it should only be scrapped for players in the penalty area, not outside it.

No it doesn't happen already. Vardy cleverly plays within the offside rule with his runs. Not that easy.

 

So now you're suggesting for the offside "it should only be scrapped for players in the penalty area, not outside it". So you could be offside still inside your opponents half, except for inside the opponents penalty box! So teams could just position a forward fulltime in the penalty box. Are you thinking this through at all?

[stephenterry 7,231]

5 hours ago, Bredbury Blue said:

No it doesn't happen already. Vardy cleverly plays within the offside rule with his runs. Not that easy.

 

So now you're suggesting for the offside "it should only be scrapped for players in the penalty area, not outside it". So you could be offside still inside your opponents half, except for inside the opponents penalty box! So teams could just position a forward fulltime in the penalty box. Are you thinking this through at all?

 

Probably not, but there has to be a solution relating to the penalty box, as it's currently absurd to check for offsides all the time. 

[Bredbury Blue 2,538]

We've all grown up with offside, it's been in the laws of the game for a long time, so we're all used to it.

But what is causing upset this season isn't the offside law itself but the doubt people have when they see VARs bloody blue and red lines and the doubt in people's minds that they are both accurate enough and taken exactly at the time the pass was made (contact on the ball). 

[mrbojangles 5,560]

This is becoming blatant now. A perfectly good goal disallowed. For a start there was nothing clear and obvious and he was not getting anywhere near the ball. The VAR man made that call and again the ref should have looked at the monitor for that. These are important situations they are messing with. They had better start being consistent with blowing the whistle for pushing in the box but they won't.

 

Palace should be livid at that. I know I am

[jellydog 3,011]

1 hour ago, mrbojangles said:

This is becoming blatant now. A perfectly good goal disallowed. For a start there was nothing clear and obvious and he was not getting anywhere near the ball. The VAR man made that call and again the ref should have looked at the monitor for that. These are important situations they are messing with. They had better start being consistent with blowing the whistle for pushing in the box but they won't.

 

Palace should be livid at that. I know I am

It's more and more of a joke every week yet no changes. Beggars belief.

[wilai 3,818]

Some VAR Stats (source ESPN)

 

Most in favour: Leicester, Tottenham (4)

Most net in favour: Tottenham (3)

Most against: Chelsea (4)

Most net against: Chelsea, West Ham (4)

Most involvement: West Ham (7)

Least involvement: Newcastle (0)

[3 minus 2 477]

13 hours ago, wilai said:

Some VAR Stats (source ESPN)

 

Most in favour: Leicester, Tottenham (4)

Most net in favour: Tottenham (3)

Most against: Chelsea (4)

Most net against: Chelsea, West Ham (4)

Most involvement: West Ham (7)

Least involvement: Newcastle (0)

intsrestin stats  wont be long b4 managers have stats telling them the most likely period during a game for reviews.. players most likely to get reviews ..  and it doesnt take much imagination for that to be transferred  over to players market value

NO DOUBTS .. var is changing the prem game...and for the better?  atm one has to say not.. the fears of those fans that didnt want it .. ie its gonna slow the game .. break it up, and it pandering to the games  excessive growing media control,     Overall it aint helpin the game.. actually in terms of drama.. its effective... however will it change?  well ANYONE who buys/designs  a comp programme to judge distance ie offside's that doesnt have enuf  common sence to include   a simple 'tape measure' and has to draw lines to measure distance ... for about sums it up..

 

Edited November 26, 2019 by 3 minus 2

[keithsimmonds 1,501]

Excellent Var decision in the Watford v Burnley, "thats what Var was brought in for Quote S.Dyche" yep if Holebas had not Kicked/collided with Barnes a goal would have been scored.......not in a million thucking years...stacks up well with a 90% chance of scoring from the spot......ludicrous.

[Bredbury Blue 2,538]

Souness suggested on Sky Sports at the weekend a tweak to the offside law, whereby a player is onside if any part of his body is onside. Think i prefer his suggestion over the current law as they'll be few arguements and would favour the attacking team and result in more goals given.

 

[mrbojangles 5,560]

48 minutes ago, Bredbury Blue said:

Souness suggested on Sky Sports at the weekend a tweak to the offside law, whereby a player is onside if any part of his body is onside. Think i prefer his suggestion over the current law as they'll be few arguements and would favour the attacking team and result in more goals given.

 

I read that and in principle like it but wouldn't we have to get UEFA on side (pardon the pun) and all the other leagues? EPL doing something different just makes it harder when playing in CL etc

[NanLaew 22,581]

18 minutes ago, mrbojangles said:

1 hour ago, Bredbury Blue said:

Souness suggested on Sky Sports at the weekend a tweak to the offside law, whereby a player is onside if any part of his body is onside. Think i prefer his suggestion over the current law as they'll be few arguements and would favour the attacking team and result in more goals given.

 

I read that and in principle like it but wouldn't we have to get UEFA on side (pardon the pun) and all the other leagues? EPL doing something different just makes it harder when playing in CL etc

I agree with Souness. The most recent instance of ruling that part of a Wolves players foot was 'a few pixels' over a line that is itself a few pixels wide is laughable.

 

It can also be extended to 'encroachment' VAR's on penalty kicks IMHO. If the GK advances forward off the goal line towards the spot kicker then yes, foul. Retake. But if another player's head, knee or shoulder is adjudged to be just over the penalty area line and not a whole foot, leg or two, then no, that's far too imprecise. From my random viewing of some retaken spot kicks this season, it appears more than a few have been after the first spot kick was saved. The chances of a GK going the right way and making a stop is slim enough but it would appear that if he does and he saves, VAR will find some ear or armpit that caused this and order it to be retaken.

 

My understanding is that the on-field referee can chose to argue the VAR decision which would require that he do an on-field review on the telly by the touchline. That sounds all very reasonable until one considers that the EPL's Stockley Park team strongly discourages that practice as they claim it can stop the free-flow of the game. The EPL also stressed how undesirable this is to the referee's attending pre-season VAR training and orientation.

[GroveHillWanderer 2,148]

1 hour ago, mrbojangles said:

I read that and in principle like it but wouldn't we have to get UEFA on side (pardon the pun) and all the other leagues? EPL doing something different just makes it harder when playing in CL etc

Not UEFA, it's not up to them. Only the IFAB has the authority to make any changes to the Laws of the Game - and it looks as if they're considering it already:

 

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Lukas Brud, general secretary of the International Football Association Board, said: "With VAR we see some things that are going in a direction that we may need to re-adjust."
He said the body would reissue guidance on VAR's use after its annual general meeting in February.
"If you spend multiple minutes trying to identify whether it is offside or not, then it's not clear and obvious and the original decision should stand," he said.
He added: "What we really need to stress is that 'clear and obvious' applies to every single situation that is being reviewed by the VAR or the referee.
"In theory, 1mm offside is offside, but if a decision is taken that a player is not offside and the VAR is trying to identify through looking at five, six, seven, 10, 12 cameras whether or not it was offside, then the original decision should stand.

Should be interesting to see what they come up with.

Edited December 31, 2019 by GroveHillWanderer
Clarification

[NanLaew 22,581]

4 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

5 hours ago, mrbojangles said:

I read that and in principle like it but wouldn't we have to get UEFA on side (pardon the pun) and all the other leagues? EPL doing something different just makes it harder when playing in CL etc

Not UEFA, it's not up to them. Only the IFAB has the authority to make any changes to the Laws of the Game - and it looks as if they're considering it already:

 

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Lukas Brud, general secretary of the International Football Association Board, said: "With VAR we see some things that are going in a direction that we may need to re-adjust."
He said the body would reissue guidance on VAR's use after its annual general meeting in February.
"If you spend multiple minutes trying to identify whether it is offside or not, then it's not clear and obvious and the original decision should stand," he said.
He added: "What we really need to stress is that 'clear and obvious' applies to every single situation that is being reviewed by the VAR or the referee.
"In theory, 1mm offside is offside, but if a decision is taken that a player is not offside and the VAR is trying to identify through looking at five, six, seven, 10, 12 cameras whether or not it was offside, then the original decision should stand.

Should be interesting to see what they come up with.

Certainly would be progress. Put it this way, none of the on-field officials, the 22 players, their substitutes, team managers, assistants, physios, bag carriers, all the other team support, the ball boys or the 53,326 pairs of eyes in the stands at Anfield saw João Moutinho’s boot as 3 pixels offside. Stuff of bloody nonsense.

[Bredbury Blue 2,538]

Football's law-makers say the video assistant referee system should not be "too forensic" when it comes to offsides - and should only be used to reverse "clear and obvious" errors.

 

Seems that the PL referees have been applying the use of VAR wrongly. Brud's comments make a lot of sense. 

[Bredbury Blue 2,538]

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