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Here's the handball law

 

Handling the ball

It is an offence if a player:

  • deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball

  • gains possession/control of the ball after it has touched their hand/arm and then:

    • scores in the opponents’ goal

    • creates a goal-scoring opportunity

  • scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper

It is usually an offence if a player:

  • touches the ball with their hand/arm when:

    • the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger

    • the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm)

The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.

Except for the above offences, it is not usually an offence if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm:

  • directly from the player’s own head or body (including the foot)

  • directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close

  • if the hand/arm is close to the body and does not make the body unnaturally bigger

  • when a player falls and the hand/arm is between the body and the ground to support the body, but not extended laterally or vertically away from the body

 

 

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"Any goal scored or created with the use of the hand or arm will be disallowed this season, even if it is accidental," says the Premier League. Jesus' goal, technically, was created by the use of

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So Laporte
1 DID NOT deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball
2 DID NOT gains possession/control of the ball after it has touched their hand/arm
3 DID NOT and then: scores in the opponents’ goal
4 DID NOT and then: creates a goal-scoring opportunity (i accept that this one is debatable in the case of Jesus, but if the PRECEDING ACTIONS 1-2 DID NOT apply how can 4 apply as the condition "and then" must met as referred to by the use of "and then: creates a goal-scoring opportunity" but it wasn't).

 

 

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12 hours ago, dode57k said:

Some form of video assistance is long overdue. Not entirely sure about this version though. We need to forget all the locker room and bar arguments about it spoiling the game. The cold hard fact remains that football is a business where clubs can lose or gain millions of pounds down to incompetent refereeing or players blatantly cheating to con the referee. What fans want or think doesn't come in to it anymore for clubs in the top divisions. There are figures out there to show that more than half of the English premier division clubs would still be in profit if they played to empty stadiums.

I agree the new hand ball rule is going to turn people right off VAR. My preferred option would be to give Captains 3 calls per half rather like tennis. If they are right they don't lose any.

Hands down one of the most vile things I've ever read. You should be ashamed.

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The offside law has been changed 5 times since the start of the EPL. Not sure what the rule is now, but I'm sure VAR will sort it out for us this season.

 

City goal should have stood IMO.

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41 minutes ago, Bredbury Blue said:

But LaPorte didn't gain control/possession of the ball after it touches his ("their" must mean his) hand/arm, and then LaPorte didn't score, or create a goal scoring opportunity did he.

 

Would the ball still have found it's way to the player that scored if it hadn't touched laporte's arm? If yes then it should not have been disallowed, if no then it should have been. Pretty simple really.

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54 minutes ago, JaiMaai said:

The interesting words are "gains possession/control" and "then creates a goal scoring opportunity".  

 

At which point did Laporte gain control of the ball?

Ha ha nice try, but you have left out a very small thing called a comma and the word OR which basically separates the 2 actions.If they would have wanted to show it as one action they would have worded it as follows :

 

  • A player gains control/possession of the ball after it has touches their hand/arm and then scores/creates a goal scoring opportunity.
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18 minutes ago, Essex Reject said:

Would the ball still have found it's way to the player that scored if it hadn't touched laporte's arm? If yes then it should not have been disallowed, if no then it should have been. Pretty simple really.

Spot on ER and the fact that Laporte was nearly standing on the penalty spot and Jeus was standing on the 6 yard line proves that the ball was diverted by Laporte's arm.

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2 hours ago, alfieconn said:

Ha ha nice try, but you have left out a very small thing called a comma and the word OR which basically separates the 2 actions.If they would have wanted to show it as one action they would have worded it as follows :

 

  • A player gains control/possession of the ball after it has touches their hand/arm and then scores/creates a goal scoring opportunity.

Alfie, below is how it is presented in the Laws (i've added the bold and underline for you) and NOT as you have posted it. As you can see i did not leave out "a very small thing called a comma and the word OR" because they do not exist in the Law:

 

Handling the ball

It is an offence if a player:

  • deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball

  • gains possession/control of the ball after it has touched their hand/arm and then:

    • scores in the opponents’ goal

    • creates a goal-scoring opportunity

  • scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper

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1 hour ago, wilai said:

"Any goal scored or created with the use of the hand or arm will be disallowed this season, even if it is accidental," says the Premier League.

Jesus' goal, technically, was created by the use of Laporte's arm, regardless of whether there was any intent.

 

That's the PL interpretation of the law. The refs/VAR have to adhere to that.....like it or lump it!

 

 

You're saying the Premier League does not follow the rules of the Law of football or they are misinterpreting them. 

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3 hours ago, Bredbury Blue said:
  • gains possession/control of the ball after it has touched their hand/arm and then:

    • scores in the opponents’ goal

    • creates a goal-scoring opportunity

  • scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper

What if a player scores an own goal after it touches his arm accidentally, would that be dis-allowed?

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Here's another one for you to *ponder, which has been the subject of several articles in the media. Why was Lamela's 'contact' on Rodri (arm around the neck, pulled him down to the ground) not given as a penalty and why was it not reviewed by VAR? 

 

*I'm using the City examples as i watch City games and so far only a couple of other teams games in full before someone chips up that i'm moaning about City, i'm not, i just want to understand the reasoning of some of these decisions and interested in other's opinion.

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1 hour ago, wilai said:

"Any goal scored or created with the use of the hand or arm will be disallowed this season, even if it is accidental," says the Premier League.

Jesus' goal, technically, was created by the use of Laporte's arm, regardless of whether there was any intent.

 

That's the PL interpretation of the law. The refs/VAR have to adhere to that.....like it or lump it!

 

 

 

Earlier i posted this season's handball law; here's IFAB's official explanation to Law 12 on Handling the ball (on Pages 162 & 163 of IFAB Laws of the Game 2019/20 pdf)
Law 12 – Fouls and Misconduct
1. Direct free kick – Handling the ball
Amended text

The main part of the ‘Handling the ball’ section on handball has been re-written
(see p. 104-105)

Explanation
Greater clarity is needed for handball, especially on those occasions when ‘non-deliberate’ handball is an offence. The re-wording follows a number of
principles:
• football does not accept a goal being scored by a hand/arm (even if accidental)
• football expects a player to be penalised for handball if they gain possession/control of the ball from their hand/arm and gain a major advantage e.g. score or create a goal-scoring opportunity
• it is natural for a player to put their arm between their body and the ground for support when falling
• having the hand/arm above shoulder height is rarely a ‘natural’ position and a player is ‘taking a risk’ by having the hand/arm in that position, including when sliding
• if the ball comes off the player’s body, or off another player (of either team) who is close by, onto the hand/arm it is often impossible to avoid contact
with the ball


Don't think that alters what i posted earlier about Laporte's and Jesus' role in the disallowed goal.


However, as stated earlier by Wilai, and as I've copied below from the Premier League's website, the Premier League is taking its own interpretation of the handball rule (will the handball rule be applied differently in the CL? We wait to see).

https://www.premierleague.com/news/1263332

Handballs

Any goal scored or created with the use of the hand or arm will be disallowed this season even if it is accidental.

The handball rule now has extra clarity because it does not consider intent by a player.

Another big change is to do with the position of a player's hand/arm.

If the ball hits a player who has made their body "unnaturally bigger" then a foul will be awarded.

IFAB says that having the hand/arm above shoulder height is rarely a "natural" position and a player is "taking a risk" by having the hand/arm in that position, including when sliding.

It is, however, considered natural for a player to put their arm between their body and the ground for support when falling, so long as the arm is not extended to make the body bigger.


Mystery solved, thank you Wilai.

 

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1 hour ago, Bredbury Blue said:

Alfie, below is how it is presented in the Laws (i've added the bold and underline for you) and NOT as you have posted it. As you can see i did not leave out "a very small thing called a comma and the word OR" because they do not exist in the Law:

 

Handling the ball

It is an offence if a player:

  • deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball

  • gains possession/control of the ball after it has touched their hand/arm and then:

    • scores in the opponents’ goal

    • creates a goal-scoring opportunity

  • scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper

Well it appears Refs are adhering to different laws https://www.the-ra.org/news/ifab-law-changes-2019-2020

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4 hours ago, Essex Reject said:

Hands down one of the most vile things I've ever read. You should be ashamed.

Great, thanks for the measured response. Don't bother replying you're on ignore

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