Bredbury Blue 2,541 Posted October 27, 2019 Author Share Posted October 27, 2019 21 minutes ago, BangrakBob said: thought the rule now was, accidental or not it is handball regardless If there is a handball by the attacking team in the lead up to their goal accidental or not they disallow the goal. Laporte vs Spurs being the benchmark. Link to post Share on other sites
mrbojangles 5,608 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 hour ago, BangrakBob said: I don't understand how City got away with 2 handballs defending in the box, yet Mane the week before is called for a handball. I thought the rule now was, accidental or not it is handball regardless, as was with the Mane goal. What's the ruling... From what I can surmise from all the pundit discussion and there's been a lot. It seems that touch of the hand accidentally or not only applies to the attacking team if it leads to a goal. For the defending team, it only applies if his arms are in an unnatural position. I think. But it's barmy and not clear 1 Link to post Share on other sites
wilai 3,824 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 hour ago, BangrakBob said: I don't understand how City got away with 2 handballs defending in the box, yet Mane the week before is called for a handball. I thought the rule now was, accidental or not it is handball regardless, as was with the Mane goal. What's the ruling... As the others have said bud, different rules for attackers (when a goal is scored) and defenders. Doesn't explain why Dele Ali's was given last week though 1 Link to post Share on other sites
GroveHillWanderer 2,160 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 On 8/19/2019 at 12:31 PM, wgdanson said: What if a player scores an own goal after it touches his arm accidentally, would that be dis-allowed? No, because the law says: "scores in the opponents’ goal" Link to post Share on other sites
Bredbury Blue 2,541 Posted October 27, 2019 Author Share Posted October 27, 2019 12 hours ago, Bredbury Blue said: Here's the actual statement. Explaining the VAR decision, the Premier League match centre said: “Manchester City’s second goal was given because there as no definitive angle or view for the VAR official to show that David Silva had touched the ball. “When Kevin de Bruyne strikes it the check was made whether Raheem Sterling was offside and he was shown to be onside.” The goal has since been awarded to David Silva by the Goal Accreditation Panel. A Premier League tweet read: "After review, the Goal Accreditation Panel have awarded Man City’s second goal to David Silva. "The Goal Accreditation Panel is an independent entity which has no affiliation with VAR." Just saw Dermot Gallagher explain. He considers that if it went in from KDB it's a goal as Sterling was onside at that time, but if it went in from Silva's touch then it's not a goal as Sterling was offside at that time, but VAR got it right because you can't tell if Silva gets a touch (though Silva said he did), and Dermot after viewing it multiple times can't see the touch by Silva. I have watched it a dozen times and don't see a Silva touch. You? Link to post Share on other sites
wilai 3,824 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 You lot call him the magician often enuff, so maybe he created an illusion......or he just does Harry Kane impressions! 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Bredbury Blue 2,541 Posted October 27, 2019 Author Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 hours ago, wilai said: You lot call him the magician often enuff, so maybe he created an illusion......or he just does Harry Kane impressions! Actually City fans call Silva Merlin, not the magician; apologies for the pedantry. Link to post Share on other sites
GroveHillWanderer 2,160 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) On 8/28/2019 at 3:32 PM, owl sees all said: I'm saying that the goal should have been voided and retaken due to a Liverpool player not being the required distance from the spot when the ball was played. If VAR can't pick that up then some teams are going to hard done by. The Liverpool player's distance was a matter of fact, not opinion. VAR should have sorted it. VAR is not allowed to get involved here. According to the published VAR Protocol, encroachment by an outfield player at a penalty is only reviewable if the player who encroached, becomes involved in scoring or preventing a goal, after the ball rebounds from the frame of the goal or is saved. Edited October 27, 2019 by GroveHillWanderer 1 Link to post Share on other sites
GroveHillWanderer 2,160 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 5 hours ago, BangrakBob said: I don't understand how City got away with 2 handballs defending in the box, yet Mane the week before is called for a handball. I thought the rule now was, accidental or not it is handball regardless, as was with the Mane goal. What's the ruling... The current law on handling offences says that handling still has to be deliberate to be an offence - unless the handling directly leads to a goal (in the opponent's goal) or a goal scoring opportunity. Link to post Share on other sites
FarangryBirds 122 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 As much as I don't really care for the egg-chasing, Watching the world cup I have been impressed with how their VAR works. Mainly because the conversation between the referees and the team in the VAR room is transparent, so we the fans better understand how the end decision was reached. Football seems to scared to Mic up the refs and show replays on the screen of contentious incidents. Link to post Share on other sites
GroveHillWanderer 2,160 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 On 8/28/2019 at 9:33 AM, owl sees all said: If the ref misses something on the field of play, should VAR (or the 4th official) send him a quick message to review the incident? Yes, but only if the something that was missed falls within the definition of a "serious missed incident." This means that in addition to being missed, the incident must involve a match-changing situation: a goal, penalty, direct red card or a case of mistaken identity. The VAR Protocol issued by the IFAB states: Quote The VAR will automatically ‘check’ every situation/decision to see ... if a serious incident/offence has been missed. [...] If a ‘check’ indicates that a [missed] incident should be reviewed, the referee should be informed immediately. Link to post Share on other sites
Bredbury Blue 2,541 Posted October 27, 2019 Author Share Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, FarangryBirds said: As much as I don't really care for the egg-chasing, Watching the world cup I have been impressed with how their VAR works. Mainly because the conversation between the referees and the team in the VAR room is transparent, so we the fans better understand how the end decision was reached. Football seems to scared to Mic up the refs and show replays on the screen of contentious incidents. Totally agree! Was great for example, to hear : - Taffy Owens explaining his decisions yesterday to Owen Farrell, - Farrell calling Owens 'Sir' and politely asking "Can i ask a question Sir" to which he was told "later" and the ref continued on with the game, - Owens giving the kiwis a good telling off for persistent fouling with a warning should it continue... Wish we had all of that in football. Ps. Brilliant game by England yesterday, easily our best performance I've ever seen. Kiwis out-thought, out-fought and out-played. Edited October 27, 2019 by Bredbury Blue Link to post Share on other sites
owl sees all 7,849 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/27/2019 at 2:39 PM, GroveHillWanderer said: VAR is not allowed to get involved here. According to the published VAR Protocol, encroachment by an outfield player at a penalty is only reviewable if the player who encroached, becomes involved in scoring or preventing a goal, after the ball rebounds from the frame of the goal or is saved. If that is how it is; then so be it. All i can say, in this case, was that the ref' and the ass' ref' (linesman) did not do their jobs nearly well enough. It's hard enough for clubs to get a result at the top club's ground without being cheated by incompetent officials.. Link to post Share on other sites
BangrakBob 4,535 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 (edited) Liverpool almost lost their match against Villa due to VAR not being used consistently. For the Villa goal and the Firmino goal, and the Mane foul in the box. Villa given a goal through VAR when it was offside. Liverpool denied a goal through VAR by manipulating the measurement technique to make it offside. Denied one penalty and player booked for diving when his foot was stood on, and in any other match would be given a penalty. Handball blocking a shot on goal not given as a penalty by VAR. How can this ridiculous system be in use when it is so bad. Edited November 3, 2019 by BangrakBob 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
wilai 3,824 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 The video on the LFC thread is very disturbing as it appears to show that the footage can be 'doctored' to suit the result desired by the VAR adjudicator. Whilst it is a useful tool, it relies on the competency/integrity of the officials.......Given the clowns we have, there are going to be many more instances like yesterday! Not that anything will be done about it 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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