EU says ready for no-deal Brexit, 'British would be the biggest losers'

[adammike]

15 minutes ago, Forethat said:

 

It is fact not misleading as China IS the UKs biggest import source of fish (or processed fish, rather). Again, I was 100% correct and you were wrong. Again.

For me (with far more knowledge and insight than yourself) I would actually challenge the stats for reasons related to "fish" and "processed fish", but let's not complicate matters as that would simply confuse you. But in case you're interested you might want to look up the concept. In particular before referring to gov.uk stats as "very misleading factoid". Good grief.... 

 

He means Iceland the shop.

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, Bullie said:

Good luck with the consumption of genetically manipulated soy and  bleached chicken cadavers.

Any deal with the UsA will favour that country since you are not in a position to make any demands, being a small nation. The Trump will have you for breakfast.

Do you mean chlorinated chicken?

[Bullie]

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Well done the Dutch. Most in the UK want the same. 

I am sure the UK will sell Fish to the Dutch from UK waters at a sensible price.????

Half the UK fleet is in the hands of the Dutch anyway....

[Forethat]

3 minutes ago, Bullie said:

Good luck with the consumption of genetically manipulated soy and  bleached chicken cadavers.

Any deal with the UsA will favour that country since you are not in a position to make any demands, being a small nation. The Trump will have you for breakfast.

Fair point. This actually concerns me as I see it being a viable outcome. ????????

[Bullie]

3 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Do you mean it's the EU that is running away? They've stood very firm from the start about what was negotiable and what wasn't? Exactly how are they running away?

Typical John Bull I would say. All bark, no bite.

[Bullie]

3 hours ago, Forethat said:

I don't agree with your view that UK is "playing hardball". Reading such statement makes me believe you don't fully understand the proposed Brexit agreement. Quite frankly, the content is shocking. We're not the ones "playing hardball".

Do explain. In what sense is the content "shocking"?

[bristolboy]

21 minutes ago, Forethat said:

 

It is fact not misleading as China IS the UKs biggest import source of fish (or processed fish, rather). Again, I was 100% correct and you were wrong. Again.

For me (with far more knowledge and insight than yourself) I would actually challenge the stats for reasons related to "fish" and "processed fish", but let's not complicate matters as that would simply confuse you. But in case you're interested you might want to look up the concept. In particular before referring to gov.uk stats as "very misleading factoid". Good grief.... 

 

First off, I'm not Danny Carlton. I'm not the person who wrote

"Most people get their fish from Iceland so I doubt the price will go down."

You can't even acknowledge that error on your part.

 I didn't say your citation was wrong. I said it was misleading. And very misleading in terms of this thread since it's about trade with the EU. Here's exactly what I wrote:

"The fact is you quoted a very misleading factoid to give the impression that China was the #1 seafood exporter In terms of tonnage, yes. In terms of value, no. It's #3 behind Iceland and the Faroe Island. And once again, 5 out of the 6 top seafood exporters to the UK are EU members."

 

 

[sawadee1947]

6 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Half the people I know don't use facebook, so

Well your age mates are used to write letters and send them by post? 

And the other half is mocking you? 

[Forethat]

14 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

First off, I'm not Danny Carlton. I'm not the person who wrote

"Most people get their fish from Iceland so I doubt the price will go down."

You can't even acknowledge that error on your part.

 I didn't say your citation was wrong. I said it was misleading. And very misleading in terms of this thread since it's about trade with the EU. Here's exactly what I wrote:

"The fact is you quoted a very misleading factoid to give the impression that China was the #1 seafood exporter In terms of tonnage, yes. In terms of value, no. It's #3 behind Iceland and the Faroe Island. And once again, 5 out of the 6 top seafood exporters to the UK are EU members."

 

 

So what you're saying is that the official government stats on fish imports are "a very misleading factoid", based on ....what? I reckon you are referring to Miss Widebottom on Raynes Lane in Bristol who only eats lobster topped with gold sprinkled on top and a touch of crushed diamond sauce? Yes, you're right, in that case the stats are misleading. But if you're after the UK fish imports and not some average Bristol harridan I trust you acknowledge the stats.

[adammike]

11 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

First off, I'm not Danny Carlton. I'm not the person who wrote

"Most people get their fish from Iceland so I doubt the price will go down."

You can't even acknowledge that error on your part.

 I didn't say your citation was wrong. I said it was misleading. And very misleading in terms of this thread since it's about trade with the EU. Here's exactly what I wrote:

"The fact is you quoted a very misleading factoid to give the impression that China was the #1 seafood exporter In terms of tonnage, yes. In terms of value, no. It's #3 behind Iceland and the Faroe Island. And once again, 5 out of the 6 top seafood exporters to the UK are EU members."

 

 

China is the world's biggest exporter of fish and seafood.

In 2017 according to the UK government they imported the most fish from China 75k Germany is second on 56k.

Iceland exports cod and haddock to the UK,the Scots eat haddock and chips the English eat cod and chips.

[Forethat]

5 minutes ago, adammike said:

China is the world's biggest exporter of fish and seafood.

In 2017 according to the UK government they imported the most fish from China 75k Germany is second on 56k.

Iceland exports cod and haddock to the UK,the Scots eat haddock and chips the English eat cod and chips.

I'm more of a haddock-person myself... are you telling me your stats are accurate? Blimey, I would have thought the other way given the price... Clearly, scots have better taste.

[puipuitom]

23 hours ago, zorrow424 said:

The losers will be the 21 non-contributing members,no jam today,or tomorrow     why the hell did we join?

With the import duty over UK products imported into the EU... all will laugh in the EU. Thank you Boris.

[puipuitom]

10 hours ago, DoctorG said:

If the EU wasn't worried about the UK leaving they would not be making such a noise about it.

Noise ? I only hear and read that from British sources. Here inside the EU we have other things to do.

[p414]

23 hours ago, zorrow424 said:

The losers will be the 21 non-contributing members,no jam today,or tomorrow     why the hell did we join?

we did not join the old EEC Heath PUT England in for a 'trial year' although he was breaking the law by doing so..I believe Heath was blackmailed into doing it.His seedy lifestyle was well known then but still illegal...Many ,myself included, believed we could not go back to our old trading partners and expect them to welcome us with open arms after <deleted>ting on them for a whole year  and did not bother to vote..We would NEVER have voted to JOIN  Europe in any form.

 

[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

Who elected the new EU Commission Head to replace Juncker?

The ONLY, who are entitled to elect the president of the Commission ( a kind of ministers, but no decission power): the EU council, existing of the heads of government of the EU member states ( so incl the UK -PM) . The EU Parliament has ONLY a veto right. No more, no less.  Time to learn at least SOMETHING about the organisation you are bound to leave. 

Just as the heads of the UK departments are NOT elected in a barony ( constituency), but appointed by the UK council of ministers ( I presume) 

[puipuitom]

4 hours ago, Moti24 said:

It looks like you're stuck in the 1950s.  Yes, Britain owed America $21B after WW2, but any information included in my post is well documented in the history books, including the reasons that Britain joined the EU.  As you obviously aren't British, I wouldn't expect you to have read the necessary information.  However, your quote, ".....In spite of this debt In 1950 Britain was 30 % ahead economically over the 6 founding states of the EU.", is irrelevant, as Britain didn't join the EU until 1973, 23 years later.  The only "Greater Good", as you put it, will only be for the benefit of the self-serving Eurocrats who have made the EU the Scam artists of the modern world, that they are.

I remember, when I hitch-hiked from Dover tuill Inverness, a British pound was worth DM 11,90 ( /2 = € 5,95). When the British were invited to join the €uro, a pound = € 1,70. Beginning 2016: € 1,40 and today… € 1,08

 

I must say: marvelous -25% in value ( so gained in competiviness) in just a 3 1/2 years. . With this, the British industry will not have any problem with a 10% or so import duty into the EU.

[Jip99]

3 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

I remember, when I hitch-hiked from Dover tuill Inverness, a British pound was worth DM 11,90 ( /2 = € 5,95). When the British were invited to join the €uro, a pound = € 1,70. Beginning 2016: € 1,40 and today… € 1,08

 

I mist say: marvelous -25% in value in just a 3 1/2 years. . With this, the British industry will not have any problem with a 10% or so import duty into the EU.

 

 

I remember going to Paris 12 years ago.................. petrol on the way back converted at GBP/EUR 1.01.......  the 1.15 I got earlier this year gives me good stock for my next Spanish trip.

 

 

Fortunately Holland has nothing that I would want to buy.

[puipuitom]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

I've rarely seen a more misleading reading of statistincs than yours. In fact in terms of value, both Iceland and the Faroe Island beat China. And 5 out of the top 6 nations that export to the UK are EU members.

 

https://www.seafish.org/article/uk-seafood-industry-overview

What a fuzz about imports of some fish. £ 2,6 Bn, compared with overall imports of £ 665 Bn. 

 

[puipuitom]

22 minutes ago, p414 said:

we did not join the old EEC Heath PUT England in for a 'trial year' although he was breaking the law by doing so..I believe Heath was blackmailed into doing it.His seedy lifestyle was well known then but still illegal...Many ,myself included, believed we could not go back to our old trading partners and expect them to welcome us with open arms after <deleted>ting on them for a whole year  and did not bother to vote..We would NEVER have voted to JOIN  Europe in any form

Time to read:

Treaty of Lisbon - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lisbon

The Treaty of Lisbon is an international agreement that amends the two treaties which form the constitutional basis of the European Union (EU). The Treaty of Lisbon was signed by the EUmember states on 13 December ..... All EU member states had to ratify the Treaty before it could enter into law. A national ratification was ...

‎History · ‎Functioning · ‎Fundamental Rights Charter · ‎Amendments

UK | UK Politics | UK parliament approves EU treaty - BBC NEWS

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7461918.stm

18 jun. 2008 - The UK effectively ratifies the European Union's reform treaty, hours ... call by Conservative leader David Cameron to declare the Lisbon Treaty ...

[ThePioneer]

13 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

I remember, when I hitch-hiked from Dover tuill Inverness, a British pound was worth DM 11,90

A pound has never been worth 11.9 DM

[billd766]

6 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

OK. Let's use your figures, 50 % of Brexiteers don't use face book. 17.4m people voted leave, 16.1 m voted remain. A difference of 1.3m people. If half of that 1.3m had voted remain instead of leave, remain would have won the day. That's 650 thousand people from a total of 33.5m people who voted. If half don't use facebook, then the trolls had the opportunity of influencing half of those who eventually voted leave, 8.5m people. If they managed to swing 1 in 13 people (7.7%) in their target demographic to vote leave, they would have swung the vote the other way. 7.7% swing is very doable using targetted and personalised messages to individual, more than 60 million were sent out and I don't include the Russians in that, just AIQ, the official leave campaign and Cambridge Analitica, Farage's leave campaign.

 

I would say that your estimate of 50% of Brexiteers not using facebook is wildly optomistic, I don't know of one Brexiteer who doesn't have a facebook account, with a more realistic figure of their target audience, I would suggest it required a swing of less than 5% to swing the referendum. Cambridge Analytica claim much bigger swings than that in their targetted campaigns.

 

 

More ifs, buts and whataboutery.

 

What happened at the time, happened. It can't be ignored or changed.

 

Look to the future as that is getting closer.

 

If Remainers want another referendum that is fine with me.

 

Having said that let us complete the 2016 referendum first and after about 3 years have another but this time lay down the ground rules first.

 

Who will be eligible to vote?

What are the referendum questions to be?

What is the pass/fail percentage to be?

If the Remainers win that will be one referendum each so to be fair 3 years later there should be another one which will be the best of three, or five etc.

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

More ifs, buts and whataboutery.

 

What happened at the time, happened. It can't be ignored or changed.

 

Look to the future as that is getting closer.

 

If Remainers want another referendum that is fine with me.

 

Having said that let us complete the 2016 referendum first and after about 3 years have another but this time lay down the ground rules first.

 

Who will be eligible to vote?

What are the referendum questions to be?

What is the pass/fail percentage to be?

If the Remainers win that will be one referendum each so to be fair 3 years later there should be another one which will be the best of three, or five etc.

Government decides on a deal, probably a derivative of May's deal or no deal Brexit. Puts it to the voters, deal on the table or remain.

 

This is what should have been done in the first place. Government triggers Article 50, negotiates a deal with EU and then puts it to the people. Having a referendum when no one had a clue what the leaving terms would be was absolute madness. Can rectify that madness now with the confirmatory vote.

[puipuitom]

21 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

a) I remember going to Paris 12 years ago.................. petrol on the way back converted at GBP/EUR 1.01.......  the 1.15 I got earlier this year gives me good stock for my next Spanish trip.

b) Fortunately Holland has nothing that I would want to buy.

a) thanks for your taks, paid in the form of excise duty over petrol.

b) see  https://www.cbs.nl/en-gb/news/2016/34/holland-and-brabant-most-important-for-trade-with-uk  and https://www.cbs.nl/en-gb/news/2019/10/dutch-domestic-exports-to-the-uk-recording-decline

Top Dutch-manufactured exports to the United Kingdom (million euros)

	2018	2017	2016
Oil and gas	2319	2398	2370
Fruit and vegetables	1397	1386	1369
Meat	1153	1176	1178
Flowers and plants	1060	1086	1087
Pharmaceuticals	951	844	491
Plastics in primary forms	818	878	803
Passenger cars	687	673	360
Iron and steel	506	561	565
Paper and cardboard	405	401	426
Motors and generators	364	282	291
Specialised machinery	354	387	375
Beverages	352	328	322
Oils and fats	290	319	231
Computers	283	176	205
Lorries	277	352	675

[evadgib]

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Government decides on a deal, probably a derivative of May's deal or no deal Brexit. Puts it to the voters, deal on the table or remain.

 

This is what should have been done in the first place. Government triggers Article 50, negotiates a deal with EU and then puts it to the people. Having a referendum when no one had a clue what the leaving terms would be was absolute madness. Can rectify that madness now with the confirmatory vote.

'Brino or Remain' doesn't work for me, nor does 'cock-it-up-so-badly-they'll-capitulate' which in effect amounts to 'remain' by stealth.

[Forethat]

26 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

Fortunately Holland has nothing that I would want to buy.

 

I kind of like their black liquorice. The salty ones (can't remember if it's Zout or Zoet). And the big meatballs, "gehaktball". That's it. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

 

15 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Having said that let us complete the 2016 referendum first

It has been completed. 

 

15 minutes ago, billd766 said:

and after about 3 years have another but this time lay down the ground rules first.

That’s about now. 

 

[DannyCarlton]

2 minutes ago, evadgib said:

'Brino or Remain' doesn't work for me, nor does 'cock-it-up-so-badly-they'll-capitulate' which in effect amounts to 'remain' by stealth.

So what would do it for you? You don'[t want a no deal Brexit and you don't want May's deal. What else is there?

[billd766]

5 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Government decides on a deal, probably a derivative of May's deal or no deal Brexit. Puts it to the voters, deal on the table or remain.

 

This is what should have been done in the first place. Government triggers Article 50, negotiates a deal with EU and then puts it to the people. Having a referendum when no one had a clue what the leaving terms would be was absolute madness. Can rectify that madness now with the confirmatory vote.

More whataboutery.

 

What should or shouldn't have happened back in 2016 doesn't matter.

 

What should be looked now is how to get the UK out of the mess that TM got us into and work for a way forward, even IF it means a no deal Brexit.

 

After all TM did say on many occasions that a No Deal was better than a bad deal. She and her Remainer government fought hard to achieve the FUBAR  that the UK is in now as none of the barstewards ever wanted Brexit.

 

All the MPs seem to think that becoming an MP confers magical power on them to decide the future of 66 odd million people yet there are only 650 of them. Bovine excretia.

[puipuitom]

24 minutes ago, ThePioneer said:

A pound has never been worth 11.9 DM

Why you British do not know your own history ? 

O.K. maybe not DM 11,90, but.. DM 11,+ a littlebit a VERY LONG TIME.

https://fxtop.com/en/historical-exchange-rates.php?A=1&C1=GBP&C2=DEM&TR=1&MA=1&DD1=&MM1=&YYYY1=&B=1&P=&I=1&DD2=19&MM2=08&YYYY2=1971&btnOK=Go!

 

Month

Average GBP/DEM=

Min GBP/DEM=

Max GBP/DEM=

Nb of working days

11/1967	10.509182	9.629000	11.140000	22
10/1967	11.143636	11.140000	11.149000	22
9/1967	11.139476	11.133000	11.147000	21
8/1967	11.146739	11.138000	11.154000	23
7/1967	11.149095	11.128000	11.178000	21
6/1967	11.110136	11.098000	11.122000	22
5/1967	11.122000	11.115000	11.127000	23
4/1967	11.121750	11.114000	11.132000	20
3/1967	11.111435	11.102000	11.126000	23
2/1967	11.101300	11.088000	11.113000	20
1/1967	11.100955	11.096000	11.107000	22
12/1966	11.084727	11.079000	11.099000	22
11/1966	11.097864	11.085000	11.107000	22
10/1966	11.118905	11.095000	11.136000	21
9/1966	11.124682	11.116000	11.134000	22
8/1966	11.130000	11.120000	11.143000	23
7/1966	11.132619	11.110000	11.151000	21
6/1966	11.175773	11.159000	11.198000	22
5/1966	11.215818	11.195000	11.227000	22
4/1966	11.218095	11.213000	11.227000	21
3/1966	11.219913	11.206000	11.238000	23
2/1966	11.252050	11.237000	11.260000	20
1/1966	11.248286	11.230000	11.260000	21
12/1965	11.211174	11.204000	11.228000	23
11/1965	11.216273	11.212000	11.220000	22
10/1965	11.227095	11.207000	11.245000	21
9/1965	11.214955	11.198000	11.241000	22
8/1965	11.196864	11.186000	11.207000	22
7/1965	11.179500	11.163000	11.201000	22
6/1965	11.167045	11.147000	11.177000	22
5/1965	11.144810	11.133000	11.157000	21
4/1965	11.115545	11.088000	11.137000	22
3/1965	11.103522	11.100000	11.110000	23
2/1965	11.118800	11.107000	11.127000	20
1/1965	11.103286	11.089000	11.111000	21
12/1964	11.094913	11.087000	11.107000	23
11/1964	11.075238	11.059000	11.098000	21
10/1964	11.063727	11.057000	11.074000	22
9/1964	11.065773	11.061000	11.070000	22
8/1964	11.078667	11.068000	11.087000	21
7/1964	11.088000	11.079000	11.101000	23
6/1964	11.103091	11.095000	11.115000	22
5/1964	11.126762	11.120000	11.128000	21
4/1964	11.124136	11.120000	11.130000	22
3/1964	11.119773	11.116000	11.124000	22
2/1964	11.112550	11.100000	11.120000	20
1/1964	11.125957	11.116000	11.138000	23
12/1963	11.112864	11.109000	11.121000	22
11/1963	11.122619	11.117000	11.127000	21
10/1963	11.130087	11.126000	11.135000	23
9/1963	11.136429	11.132000	11.144000	21
8/1963	11.153227	11.140000	11.164000	22
7/1963	11.154087	11.148000	11.164000	23
6/1963	11.146950	11.137000	11.154000	20
5/1963	11.157217	11.146000	11.176000	23
4/1963	11.182500	11.176000	11.188000	22
3/1963	11.191905	11.177000	11.209000	21
2/1963	11.219900	11.212000	11.229000	20
1/1963	11.233217	11.203000	11.248000	23
12/1962	11.199619	11.181000	11.216000	21
11/1962	11.231227	11.219000	11.246000	22
10/1962	11.221174	11.206000	11.242000	23
9/1962	11.205200	11.200000	11.210000	20
8/1962	11.206000	11.197000	11.211000	23
7/1962	11.188909	11.170000	11.208000	22
6/1962	11.214667	11.198000	11.229000	21
5/1962	11.242522	11.211000	11.256000	23
4/1962	11.252476	11.245000	11.260000	21
3/1962	11.254636	11.221000	11.267000	22
2/1962	11.252650	11.236000	11.267000	20
1/1962	11.228609	11.221000	11.239000	23
12/1961	11.235048	11.216000	11.259000	21
11/1961	11.264773	11.246000	11.271000	22
10/1961	11.253182	11.235000	11.271000	22
9/1961	11.237381	11.217000	11.248000	21
8/1961	11.188870	11.138000	11.213000	23
7/1961	11.090857	11.075000	11.131000	21
6/1961	11.084364	11.074000	11.105000	22
5/1961	11.092435	11.077000	11.105000	23
4/1961	11.108550	11.099000	11.116000	20
3/1961	11.181522	11.083000	11.663000	23
2/1961	11.683750	11.656000	11.707000	20
1/1961	11.708000	11.703000	11.711000	22
12/1960	11.710364	11.694000	11.724000	22
11/1960	11.735364	11.713000	11.749000	22
10/1960	11.728048	11.720000	11.740000	21
9/1960	11.729182	11.708000	11.744000	22
8/1960	11.718435	11.711000	11.726000	23
7/1960	11.710381	11.704000	11.717000	21
6/1960	11.686864	11.672000	11.704000	22
5/1960	11.701409	11.689000	11.714000	22
4/1960	11.715952	11.708000	11.725000	21
3/1960	11.700522	11.691000	11.708000	23
2/1960	11.690905	11.687000	11.695000	21
1/1960	11.676762	11.669000	11.688000	21
12/1959	11.672870	11.661000	11.684000	23
11/1959	11.692095	11.685000	11.700000	21
10/1959	11.727364	11.706000	11.742000	22
9/1959	11.729864	11.721000	11.738000	22
8/1959	11.755000	11.744000	11.761000	21
7/1959	11.755000	11.750000	11.760000	23
6/1959	11.752136	11.749000	11.753000	22
5/1959	11.770571	11.754000	11.782000	21
4/1959	11.777136	11.769000	11.783000	22
3/1959	11.760864	11.747000	11.768000	22
2/1959	11.740450	11.735000	11.746000	20
1/1959	11.724909	11.706000	11.733000	22
12/1958	11.695435	11.686000	11.707000	23
11/1958	11.699000	11.692000	11.702000	20
10/1958	11.687913	11.684000	11.693000	23
9/1958	11.691682	11.677000	11.705000	22
8/1958	11.690048	11.678000	11.707000	21
7/1958	11.676783	11.673000	11.682000	23
6/1958	11.698238	11.677000	11.708000	21
5/1958	11.710364	11.699000	11.721000	22
4/1958	11.735591	11.716000	11.748000	22
3/1958	11.759238	11.738000	11.772000	21
2/1958	11.773450	11.767000	11.778000	20
1/1958	11.773130	11.754000	11.781000	23
12/1957	11.763273	11.752000	11.772000	22
11/1957	11.773429	11.765000	11.780000	21
10/1957	11.760565	11.710000	11.790000	23
9/1957	11.683857	11.672000	11.750000	21
8/1957	11.674000	11.672000	11.689000	22
7/1957	11.679217	11.673000	11.699000	23
6/1957	11.716800	11.702000	11.732000	20
5/1957	11.743609	11.730000	11.760000	23
4/1957	11.755682	11.741000	11.760000	22
3/1957	11.750333	11.733000	11.760000	21
2/1957	11.752850	11.747000	11.759000	20
1/1957	11.739652	11.711000	11.760000	23
12/1956	11.711619	11.698000	11.730000	21
11/1956	11.698409	11.677000	11.714000	22
10/1956	11.706174	11.680000	11.714000	23
9/1956	11.692800	11.679000	11.716000	20
8/1956	11.686435	11.675000	11.702000	23
7/1956	11.675591	11.673000	11.682000	22
6/1956	11.690190	11.676000	11.713000	21
5/1956	11.729870	11.710000	11.738000	23
4/1956	11.734762	11.723000	11.746000	21
3/1956	11.721091	11.708000	11.730000	22
2/1956	11.722619	11.708000	11.733000	21
1/1956	11.731409	11.719000	11.740000	22
12/1955	11.737818	11.714000	11.760000	22
11/1955	11.744182	11.723000	11.758000	22
10/1955	11.723381	11.716000	11.729000	21
9/1955	11.694773	11.672000	11.721000	22
8/1955	11.694957	11.682000	11.706000	23
7/1955	11.686667	11.675000	11.718000	21
6/1955	11.716273	11.694000	11.744000	22
5/1955	11.755773	11.736000	11.774000	22
4/1955	11.792857	11.780000	11.806000	21
3/1955	11.797652	11.786000	11.811000	23
2/1955	11.768100	11.760000	11.801000	20
1/1955	11.752729	11.741000	11.771000	21
12/1954	11.762757	11.758500	11.769000	23
11/1954	11.771195	11.762500	11.776500	22
10/1954	11.756071	11.741500	11.773000	21
9/1954	11.735159	11.723500	11.749000	22
8/1954	11.722709	11.716000	11.730000	22
7/1954	11.723682	11.711000	11.743000	22
6/1954	11.745364	11.739500	11.756000	22
5/1954	11.757095	11.745000	11.778000	21
4/1954	11.744591	11.730000	11.760000	22
3/1954	11.714696	11.708000	11.728000	23
2/1954	11.702250	11.697000	11.711000	20
1/1954	11.688286	11.679000	11.704000	21
12/1953	11.696652	11.677000	11.718000	23
11/1953	11.712000	11.702000	11.720000	21
10/1953	11.696955	11.688000	11.703000	22
9/1953	11.689864	11.678000	11.710000	22
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[billd766]

4 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

It has been completed. 

 

That’s about now. 

 

Has the UK left the EU yet?

 

Simple answer yes or no.

 

If the answer is YES then Brexit is complete.

 

If the answer is NO then you are talking bovine excretia.

 

The truth is NO until 31 October.

 

I do understand that you are a remainer, but please, try to get your facts right before you post.