Mickc Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I dont get why everyone kicks up a fuss, it's just another law that will be forgotten about and ignored... you can still smoke in restaurants and bars and no one says a word, staff will happily give you an ashtray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odisan Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, richiejom said: What's this really about then? coz if it was about reducing smoking related deaths they wouldn't have a ban on vaping products A good idea though coz I always felt nauseous when my father used to smoke in the drivers seat and it used to waft back on to me in the car giving me asthma It's to take the heat off of TM30, richiejom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisKC Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said: I am well aware of the evidence. Perhaps your homework could be a differential comparative of real evidence of urban and general atmospheric environmental pollutants that remain ignored in general informed risk . That plus the incidence of lung cancer in Asia where smoking is a lesser contributing factor. The topic is passive smoking. I invite you to learn something about it, not evident so far in your postings and rebuttals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enki Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 10 hours ago, wgdanson said: Here we go, maths again. These figures mean that 16% of the worldwide deaths are in Thailand. I think not. Obviously the two numbers are not related. The first one is world wide death from "second hand smoke". And the second one is Thai smokers dying to smoking ... sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odisan Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I'm tellin' ya, as soon as he's finished his shift and I tell him, he's gonna be p*ssed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgdanson Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Enki said: Obviously the two numbers are not related. The first one is world wide death from "second hand smoke". And the second one is Thai smokers dying to smoking ... sigh. Please read the many other replies who have pointed my misunderstanding of the OP which was, in my understanding, a bit like comparing apples with oranges, or lemons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 hours ago, chang1 said: Maybe you should pay more attention to the news, before making such an uninformed comment. Just google VWs diesel gate scandal or stubble burning. Pollution of all kinds is being tackled in most countries. The difference here is it directly affects smokers rather than businesses. As many smokers are arrogant and ignorant, they will not understand why non smokers are so <deleted> off with them. This unfortunately also affects the many caring and considerate smokers. I could be affronted by your expressed opinion that I am uninformed. Rest assured I am not. Despite the fact that I am a smoker and am aware of the increased health risks of that I am also grateful that my now adult children never ascribed to the addiction. I am not an advocate of smoking but I am a life long addict who recognizes the growing objections of the majority. Especially when the official "death" count for respiratory disease is presented as singularly caused by tobacco while alcohol is socially acceptable yet causes 2.83 deaths per thousand per year in Thailand which does not include the number of permanently maimed or the indirect result of violence or the health factors such as chirrhosis of the liver culminating in death. Yet I must defend my previous brief comment in this topic as valid. The validity I lay claim to is based on a very long personal historical interest in environmental pollution not limited to atmospheric content. You suggest I pay attention to the "news". I could refer you to copious verifiable scientific research data detailing the truth about substances that are incrementally poisoning the global population. Sulphur dioxides from cheap diesal fuel and inefficient fossil fuel engines is a small factor that only has temporary public attention as part of commercial market leverage. Stubble burning has occurred for centuries as have naturally occurring forest fires. I am not suggesting that has never had an impact on health but that the significance of it has been disproportionately been focused on without relevance to the climatic and agricultural reasons for increased localized social impact. The "news" is not habitually detailing the massive impact of many toxins inherent in our wonderful acclaim to a civilized existence. If I am an uninformed individual I would not be aware of the ever increasing background radiation levels, the soil content of non organic arsenic, the organo phosphates that are absorbed into the food we assume is wonderful, the atmospheric gases that eminate from the components of our lovely houses, the global ash disemminated from industries to be washed down into the water and soil and sea we naively expect is perpetual to supply us. Nor are we as a matter of course advised or warned about the toxins that eminate from the synthetic components of our dwellings despite the carcinogenic potential many have .In the interests of profit little is actually done to enforce the elimination of the overall impact of so many components of "modern" life. Tobacco is the new enemy ! <deleted> ! I could go on but instead I would prefer to say I am not as uninformed as you would like to assume. I just hope you are not a fan of "Fox" news. As legend has it there is nothing more cunning than a fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgdanson Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 10 hours ago, wgdanson said: Here we go, maths again. These figures mean that 16% of the worldwide deaths are in Thailand. I think not. Please, no more posts telling me that I misunderstood, or misinterpreted the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAArdvark Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 10 hours ago, wgdanson said: Here we go, maths again. These figures mean that 16% of the worldwide deaths are in Thailand. I think not. 430,000 second hand deaths. 72,000 smoking deaths, non second hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAArdvark Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 10 hours ago, mania said: I don't smoke but what an adult does in their own home should be their business....No? Yes, as long as they live alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasThBKK Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, AAArdvark said: Yes, as long as they live alone. ???? What if your wife smokes too, does the universe implode? ???? Let adults be adults and alone with this rubbish. They are old enough and can discuss it it out themselves. If one partner doesn't give af about the other this law will change nothing about that. The only thing it allows is one party to blackmail the other, especially handy if one party is a farrang i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotinsiam Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Thailand the hub of bans and crackdowns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 11 hours ago, ChipButty said: Anything else going to banned? this is getting boring now A ban on getting bored, on the way ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 5 hours ago, FolkGuitar said: Cigarette smokers should be allowed to smoke. No question about that. But I don't want to smoke, not even second hand. I shouldn't be forced to do so. Thankfully, laws have now passed in almost all First World countries making smoking in public buildings, and often in many public spaces illegal. That's a start. I no longer have to deal with smoke while I'm eating. No longer have to put up with it while I'm drinking. In many cities, smoking on public streets is not against the law. A smoker is still allowed to smoke in designated areas away from the general population. Cigarette smokers should be allowed to smoke. But they should not be allowed to force others to do so, even second hand. Some people actually have to put up with it in their own homes because their significant other refuses to smoke outside. He/she says "It's my house too, and I'll do what I want, so screw you!" He/she doesn't care that it puts others a health risk. He/she doesn't care that it smells so badly to others. He/she can't smell it. And He/she is addicted to it. So screw everyone else. Thankfully, there is now a legal alternative to being force to endure the health risk and the smell, an alternative for those who need this protection. If cigarette smokers weren't so selfish about their habit, there wouldn't have been a need for this law, a law to protect others from their smoking. I am a smoker and I agree. Strangely this new edict does not include smoking in a vehicle. Is there some previous law? I have long acknowledged it is not my right to smoke in a confined space if others are present. In fact I have an objection to others smoking in my personal space but that is mostly due to the <deleted> tobacco they use. There is a curious aspect to this demonization of tobacco with reference to the incrremental relaxation of attitude to "ganga". In a comical sense I can envisage a "skit" where the defense of accusations about smoking tobacco will be " No No, I am smoking my approved medicinal high grade indica ! " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Some more off topic posts and replies have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said: There is a curious aspect to this demonization of tobacco with reference to the incrremental relaxation of attitude to "ganga". In a comical sense I can envisage a "skit" where the defense of accusations about smoking tobacco will be " No No, I am smoking my approved medicinal high grade indica ! " Smoking two packs of doobies is quite a sporting event, not so with cigarettes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitemouse Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 11 hours ago, JonnyF said: The main difference is that in our home countries the police enforce the laws, not just prance around on TV trying to sound authoritative Ridiculous laws are very much enforced here, and not just for show. Tourists are required to report their address within 24hrs, or face fine, this is enforced in Thailand. Name one Western nation with similar law, and Third Reich does not count. Name a single Western nation where a person is forbidden to smoke in his own home! At this point calling Western nations a 'nanny state' is just silly, Western democracies have much more individual freedoms than Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inepto Cracy Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 30 minutes ago, whitemouse said: Ridiculous laws are very much enforced here, and not just for show. Tourists are required to report their address within 24hrs, or face fine, this is enforced in Thailand. Name one Western nation where this is enforced, Third Reich does not count. Name a single Western nation where a person is forbidden to smoke in his own home! At this point calling Western nations a 'nanny state' is just silly, Western democracies have much more freedom than Thailand. Name a single Western nation where a person is forbidden to smoke in his own home! Australia. Ooopsy I confused some folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackdd Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Inepto Cracy said: Tourists are required to report their address within 24hrs There is no such law in Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitemouse Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, Inepto Cracy said: Australia. You are not allowed to smoke in your house in Australia? Or did you mean every tourist has to go to immigration office within 24hrs after entering Australia, in order to register with authorities? How is this even legal in Australia, how is this constitutional? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Henry Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 So my teenage son comes home with his mates and light up. I call the hot line and wait. This is really going to work!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, DrTuner said: Smoking two packs of doobies is quite a sporting event, not so with cigarettes. Invite me to test that claim !???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inepto Cracy Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Name a single Western nation where a person is forbidden to smoke in his own home! Australia. Ooopsy I confused some folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackdd Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, Inepto Cracy said: Name a single Western nation where a person is forbidden to smoke in his own home! Australia. Ooopsy I confused some folks. You are only forbidden to smoke if it harms another person. If you are alone you can smoke as much as you want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Rawai Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I smoke at home but always outside. Thai weather is condusive for this. Sent from my SM-G955F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shy coconut Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 12 hours ago, Crossy said: Is it illegal to smoke at home if you are alone? I think the answer to that is the same as the tree falling in the forest and no one hears it... You should be ok unless you dial 1300 and report yourself!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meltingpot2015 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 What's the reasoning behind this..Stop the smoke in the homes, then move along to bigger and brighter things like Cities - Chiang Mai (burning season) or Bangkok (traffic pollution smoke)?. Thai brain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingo1170 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 So why are they allowed to smoke in Snooker Halls, in Chiang Mai, Lucky's, Shooters and Caesars? As usual selective policing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camelot Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 So what happens when you dial 1300? Do they send a SWAT team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenBen23 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Man, I came here to get away from this <deleted>. Is there any freedom or personal choice left in this world? I guess the one good thing about being a smoker is I won't have to live long enough to see what a miserable hell this world becomes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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