webfact Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 New traffic law: Just taking a picture of your licence and showing on your phone is not enough Picture: Thai Rath The policeman responsible for the new law about driving licences that will start in Thailand on September 20th has given details about three ways drivers can show their licenses when requested by an officer. One of them is NOT a simple picture of a licence on the driver's phone. The new law announced on August 20th is that police can no longer keep a motorist's license as of next month. Pol Maj-Gen Ekkalak Limsangkat told Thai Rath there are three ways to show your licence 1. Your regular license just like before. 2. An electronic version or digital license via the application of the Department of Land Transport QR Licence. 3. A certified copy in accordance with DLT forms Thus a picture on a phone is not good enough. Maj-Gen Ekkalak said the new measures are all about convenience for the public and everything will now be online. He also explained the points system for violations of traffic rules. Everyone will get 12 points and when these are used up there will be a 90 day suspension. The offender will then have to pay to undergo training for the 12 points to be reinstated. If over a three year period the points are used up more than two times there will be a one year ban. A fourth using of all of the 12 points will see the licence taken away. Thai Rath did not explain how long that would be in their story. Source: Thai Rath -- © Copyright Thai Visa News 2019-08-22 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 So you lose the licence if you have 48 offences!! .........what possible deterrent or effect do they think that will have........48 times ...???????????????? Undergo training ? Another envelope then, ok got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, CharlieH said: So you lose the licence if you have 48 offences!! .........what possible deterrent or effect do they think that will have........48 times ...???????????????? Undergo training ? Another envelope then, ok got it. I assume it will be similar to the UK system where you get 3 points for being a bit over the speed limit, 6 points for being a lot over the speed limit and so on. So in theory, a couple of offences could be enough for a 90 day suspension. Unless of course, they are kind enough to accept paying the fine directly to the policeman who stops you. They tend to be very considerate like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, webfact said: 1. Your regular license just like before. 2. An electronic version or digital license via the application of the Department of Land Transport QR Licence. 3. A certified copy in accordance with DLT forms so the app is on your phone? and you hand your unlocked phone to a so called Thai policeman. And he is not going to start looking through your phone just like they search your car or scooter? and of course the so called policeman will just keep your phone to extort whatever cash he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 "Yes new law, we can no longer keep your license, but now we keep your phone. Better than before." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBKK Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, JonnyF said: I assume it will be similar to the UK system where you get 3 points for being a bit over the speed limit, 6 points for being a lot over the speed limit and so on. So in theory, a couple of offences could be enough for a 90 day suspension. Unless of course, they are kind enough to accept paying the fine directly to the policeman who stops you. They tend to be very considerate like that. No, no 3 points = 500 THB 6 points = 1,000 THB etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesofa Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 hours ago, webfact said: 3. A certified copy in accordance with DLT forms Does anyone have any detailed info about the above option? e.g. 'forms' - does that mean a paper form that neds to be filled in and then possibly stamped by the DLT? Is there a cost, can you request numerous certified copies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgrazing Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, bluesofa said: Does anyone have any detailed info about the above option? e.g. 'forms' - does that mean a paper form that neds to be filled in and then possibly stamped by the DLT? Is there a cost, can you request numerous certified copies? Thinking exactly the same .. Paper forms like that are open to forgery .. And how would roadside plod determine if it's gen' or fake .. And what happens if its genuine but they claim fake .. Will traffic officer then require some financial inducement to be on you're way .. Hmmm lot of unanswered with this .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mok199 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Sitting on your butt and texting 6 hours,then harassing motorists for 2 hours, just isn't enough officer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chassa Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I've always carried my licence for 57 years, never had a problem. It's not too heavy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kotsak Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Damn, that means this method won't work anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend49 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Welcome to the 19th century. Where aircraft boarding tickets and passport pages are acceptable on smart phones in most developed countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbo Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, legend49 said: Welcome to the 19th century. Where aircraft boarding tickets and passport pages are acceptable on smart phones in most developed countries. Really? I have never seen anyone pass the customs or pass the check in with a non-paper/plastic passport or ID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcnx Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, jumbo said: Really? I have never seen anyone pass the customs or pass the check in with a non-paper/plastic passport or ID Boarding pass.... do it all the time. Only my passport comes out once for immigration. I don’t even use it for checking in. Photos of everything, online check-in, and QR codes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcnx Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 5 hours ago, webfact said: 2. An electronic version or digital license via the application of the Department of Land Transport QR Licence. The police already said this would not be accepted. That news was here a few months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesofa Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, dcnx said: 5 hours ago, webfact said: 2. An electronic version or digital license via the application of the Department of Land Transport QR Licence. The police already said this would not be accepted. That news was here a few months ago. Didn't the police say that because at the time the law had not yet been amended and the DLT had jumped the gun? I'm assuming this new law will be the amended one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Paul Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 5 hours ago, JonnyF said: I assume it will be similar to the UK system where you get 3 points for being a bit over the speed limit, 6 points for being a lot over the speed limit and so on. So in theory, a couple of offences could be enough for a 90 day suspension. Unless of course, they are kind enough to accept paying the fine directly to the policeman who stops you. They tend to be very considerate like that. Unlike the UK where the INSURANCE Companies will up your Insurance costs. Here that does not apply PLUS as agoodly proportion of drivers do not have a licence it is rather pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazar Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 42 minutes ago, Khun Paul said: Unlike the UK where the INSURANCE Companies will up your Insurance costs. Here that does not apply PLUS as agoodly proportion of drivers do not have a licence it is rather pointless. and where you have 7 days to show your licence to police if asked to avoid the stupidity of having to carry all that <deleted> with you and the potential for loss damage etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebell Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 All new traffic laws are designed to help RTP part road-users from their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 This is all good and well... but what about those motorists without a licence, what about those motorists who continue to drive when on their 90 day ban? This is a positive step, but a point system already existed but never implemented. This is just more of the same, rehashed to copy a system which works in another country - but it doesn't work because the 'system' is any better it works in other country's because the system is adequately enforced and this is where this 'new traffic law' starts to fall on its face.... there will be no enforcement, policemen will still take bribes, people will continue to ignore the rules because they don't care. And then..... there is the real issue at hand, it doesn't matter who has a licence when there is no real driver education anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramdas Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I wonder if this applies to everyone or just the foreigners as usual ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashirelad Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Would it not be more sensible to do as the UK does and start with zero points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy John Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 So, I have a car license and a motorcycle license which should mean I have 2 lots of 12 points...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukKrueng Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 19 hours ago, NCC1701A said: so the app is on your phone? and you hand your unlocked phone to a so called Thai policeman. And he is not going to start looking through your phone just like they search your car or scooter? and of course the so called policeman will just keep your phone to extort whatever cash he wants. ummmm, yap, I see your point. Wouldn't it be better if they just allow you to show the real driver's license? even better if they would make those driver's licenses from some sort of plastic, about the size of an ATM, just a thought. Maybe someones should suggest that to the government.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 21 hours ago, JonnyF said: I assume it will be similar to the UK system where you get 3 points for being a bit over the speed limit, 6 points for being a lot over the speed limit and so on. It's nothing like the the UK system which works as a deterrent.... think of it like the UK system, then water it down, then drench it again, then drown it in the ocean.... you will then have the Thai system It was recently stated that a typical speeding/red light jumping offence would only incur one point.. which unlike the UK system does not stay on your license for 3 years.. it's a lot less. which means you can offend multiple times with virtual impunity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesofa Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, hotchilli said: It's nothing like the the UK system which works as a deterrent.... think of it like the UK system, then water it down, then drench it again, then drown it in the ocean.... you will then have the Thai system It was recently stated that a typical speeding/red light jumping offence would only incur one point.. which unlike the UK system does not stay on your license for 3 years.. it's a lot less. which means you can offend multiple times with virtual impunity! That's lucky - I'm colour blind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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