Israeli teenager killed by bomb near settlement: Israeli officials

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Israeli teenager killed by bomb near settlement: Israeli officials

By Ali Sawafta

 

Israeli forces gather at the scene of an attack near the Jewish settlement of Dolev in the Israeli-occupied West Bank August 23, 2019. REUTERS/Ammar Awad

 

DEIR IBZI', West Bank (Reuters) - An Israeli teenager was killed and her father and brother were injured by a Palestinian bomb near a settlement in the occupied West Bank on Friday, Israeli officials said.

 

The family were visiting a spring in a popular hiking area when an improvised explosive device (IED) blew up, the Israeli military and paramedics said.

 

The military said it was being treated as a terrorist attack. It was not immediately clear if the device had been planted in advance or thrown.

 

Israel's Magen David Adom ambulance service confirmed that 17-year-old Rina Shnerb had died at the scene and said her father and brother - named by Israeli media as Rabbi David Eitan, 46, and 21-year-old Dvir - were in serious condition.

 

A large crowd of mourners gathered later on Friday for the teenager's funeral in her home town of Lod, where her body was covered in a white shroud adorned with the Star of David.

 

"This is insane, everything that’s happening here. I still can’t believe it," said Shnerb's sister Tamar. "Only yesterday you were here, joyful as always, you were happy and made everyone happy, as you always do."

 

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sent condolences to the family, and said security forces were pursuing the attackers.

 

"The long arm of Israel reaches all those who seek our lives," Netanyahu said in a statement, adding: "We will continue to strengthen settlement. We will deepen our roots and strike at our enemies."

 

The hilly central region of the West Bank around the settlement of Dolev lies northwest of the Palestinian city of Ramallah, and is studded with olive groves and orchards.

 

The area saw clashes last year between Palestinians and Israelis, as Palestinian villagers complained that settlers were trying to take over land, including water sources.

 

On Friday morning, the Israeli military quickly cordoned off the area around the Ein Bobin spring near the Palestinian village of Deir Ibzi' while soldiers set up checkpoints on roads and searched the area.

 

An Israeli student, Danny Gonen, was killed at the same spring in 2015 in an attack claimed by a group that said it was affiliated with the Islamist group Hamas.

 

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh praised the latest attack but did not claim responsibility for it, warning Israel not to "assault our Jerusalem and our sacred sites".

 

In a speech in Gaza he said: "I bless this operation and I greet the hands of those who executed it. I pray for God to protect those who stood behind it. Regardless of who they are, they are Palestinians."

 

David Friedman, the U.S. Ambassador to Israel, tweeted that he was "heartbroken and outraged". President Donald Trump's envoy, Jason Greenblatt, urged the Palestinian Authority to "unequivocally condemn" the attack.

 

(Additional reporting by Stephen Farrell in Jerusalem and Nidal al-Mughrabi in Gaza; Editing by William Maclean and Kevin Liffey)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-08-24

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[nobodysfriend]

Is there really no way out of this vicious circle of violence ...?

A solution would require compromises on both sides .

There seems to be no will for that , so what ...? The fighting and hate will never stop ... Sad .

[OneMoreFarang]

If the Israeli teenager wouldn't have been in an illegal Israeli settlement then she would still be alive.

No settlements -no problems!

[Jingthing]

If the Israeli teenager wouldn't have been in an illegal Israeli settlement then she would still be alive.
No settlements -no problems!

As if she as a teenager had a choice where to live.

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[DeaconJohn]

9 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

If the Israeli teenager wouldn't have been in an illegal Israeli settlement then she would still be alive.

No settlements -no problems!

Posts #5 and #8 explain it in detail.

You sum it up in two sentences.

Thanks for that.

[BestB]

36 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

If the Israeli teenager wouldn't have been in an illegal Israeli settlement then she would still be alive.

No settlements -no problems!

Let me make it easier for you, if there was no Israel, then Arabs would be very happy, so why stop at 1 civilian? better do something bigger to wipe out as many as possible 

[BestB]

2 hours ago, dexterm said:

You falsely imply that there is some sort of moral/power/responsibilty equivalence between the two sides.

 

Israel is the illegal occupier and invader not the Palestinians.
Israel has the massive military might not the Palestinians.

 

Note that on the same day that this tragedy occurred, Israel injured 100 Palestinians, 50 with live rounds.

 

Until the 52 year old illegal occupation of 4.5 million indigenous Palestinians ends in a just one or two state solution, these incidents will continue.

So it is Israels fault Palestinians could not organise into a country or an army?

 

Or perhaps Israels fault for starting 3 wars?

 

No need to answer, was a rhetorical question, i am well aware of the answers to come

[OneMoreFarang]

3 minutes ago, BestB said:

Let me make it easier for you, if there was no Israel, then Arabs would be very happy, so why stop at 1 civilian? better do something bigger to wipe out as many as possible 

How about this: How would Israelis behave is the USA wouldn't give them military hardware for billions of dollars every single year? How would they behave if the USA wouldn't agree to everything they want?

I am sure without that support Israelis and especially Israeli politicians would have a lot more motivation to live peacefully with their neighbors.

I know Israelis are only part of this conflict, the others are not all nice and friendly people. But looking at the military power the situation is completely one-sided. And as long as they have all that military power they have little incentive to be cooperative.

[BestB]

3 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How about this: How would Israelis behave is the USA wouldn't give them military hardware for billions of dollars every single year? How would they behave if the USA wouldn't agree to everything they want?

I am sure without that support Israelis and especially Israeli politicians would have a lot more motivation to live peacefully with their neighbors.

I know Israelis are only part of this conflict, the others are not all nice and friendly people. But looking at the military power the situation is completely one-sided. And as long as they have all that military power they have little incentive to be cooperative.

Same way as Arabs who attacked from all fronts by huge armies 3 times?

 

Anyone stopped Arabs from giving military hardware and billions of dollars every year to Palestinians?

 

Last time i checked, when US stopped its aid to Palestinians, they were starving and not a single Arab brother was willing to take Americans place to provide same amount of aid.

 

Funny that, is not it?!

[BestB]

38 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

So what's your point?

Do you want to tell us that Israeli Arabs occupy the illegal settlements?

What was your point?

 

over 20% of israel population are Arabs taking jobs and housing, and its ok? totally acceptable, yet a jewish kid goes camping and you find it justified to have him killed.

 

So what was your point again? How about Israel evicts all Arabs and gives back the disputed lands? Let you make a  guess if the  2 million arabs would be ok with it? 

[dexterm]

15 minutes ago, BestB said:

All those hundreds are on the front lines throwing molotov cocktails or rocks. 

 

Where your beloved ones are attacking civilians.

 

May all the victims of arab madness rest in peace and may be one day Arabs will accept Israel is here to stay and either compromise and stop the violence or continue living in the same conditions and be treated accordingly

>>may be one day Arabs will accept Israel is here to stay

They do recognise Israel's right to exist within the 1967 borders.

The PLO did so in 1988 and confirmed it in writing in the Oslo Accords 1993.

"How Many Times Must the Palestinians Recognize Israel?
Netanyahu’s new 'Jewish state' mantra negates the fact that Palestinians recognized Israel more than twenty years ago. They’re still waiting for Israel to recognize Palestine."
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.579701

 

It's when Israel illegally grabs even more land in the occupied territories displacing the indigenous Palestinian population that is perpetuating the current situation where incidents of resistance like the OP arise.

[BestB]

Just now, dexterm said:

>>may be one day Arabs will accept Israel is here to stay

They do recognise Israel's right to exist within the 1967 borders.

The PLO did so in 1988 and confirmed it in writing in the Oslo Accords 1993.

"How Many Times Must the Palestinians Recognize Israel?
Netanyahu’s new 'Jewish state' mantra negates the fact that Palestinians recognized Israel more than twenty years ago. They’re still waiting for Israel to recognize Palestine."
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.579701

 

It's when Israel illegally grabs even more land in the occupied territories displacing the indigenous Palestinian population that is perpetuating the current situation where incidents of resistance like the OP arise.

Kind of them to recognize it. Did they start to recognize it in 1967? before during or after the 6 days war or recognition kicked in, in 1973? or perhaps during the war of attrition which ended in 1970? Or perhaps recognition came during Palestinian insurgency into South Lebanon from 1971-1982?

 

So tell me again what they recognize and when?

[RJRS1301]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

If the Israeli teenager wouldn't have been in an illegal Israeli settlement then she would still be alive.

No settlements -no problems!

the teenager did not make the choice to live there, apportioning  blame to the dead achieves nothing

[metisdead]

A misleading troll post has been removed as well as the replies related to that post. 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

If the Israeli teenager wouldn't have been in an illegal Israeli settlement then she would still be alive.

No settlements -no problems!

 

Since the position you've aired on past topics is pretty much against Israel's existence, doubt your words could be taken as anything remotely objective.

 

The Israeli teenager did not choose to live there, same way like most teenagers. You want to blame the parents, that's another story.

 

As for "no settlements - no problems" - Palestinian terrorism and violence predate the first illegal Israeli settlement in the West Bank. Similarly, such attack aren't confined solely to the West Bank, and the same goes for those targeted. Moreover, there are not such illegal settlements in the Gaza Strip - but plenty of violence notwithstanding.

 

The illegal Israeli settlements are certainly a major issue, but the conflict managed just fine without them. Saying it's all about the illegal settlements is either uninformed or misleading.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How about this: How would Israelis behave is the USA wouldn't give them military hardware for billions of dollars every single year? How would they behave if the USA wouldn't agree to everything they want?

I am sure without that support Israelis and especially Israeli politicians would have a lot more motivation to live peacefully with their neighbors.

I know Israelis are only part of this conflict, the others are not all nice and friendly people. But looking at the military power the situation is completely one-sided. And as long as they have all that military power they have little incentive to be cooperative.

 

The conflict was going on well before USA Aid became a thing. It's absence didn't seem to play a significant part with regard to either side's motivation for achieving peace. However, the USA Aid package allocated for Egypt as part of signing peace accords did help. And speaking of Egypt, during much of the time the conflict was on, Israel's main Arab rivals were significantly militarily and politically supported by the USSR - doubt you could factor that in your narrative.

 

Your "military balance" argument is mostly nonsense. Even without USA Aid funds, Israel would be infinitely militarily stronger than the Palestinians. The USA Aid funds are generally related to more "heavy duty" military threats. And, of course, nothing much to do with the illegal settlements or the OP.

 

Another curious argument is that applying economic pressure, or withholding such benefits would result in change of policy and views. This is fine - but apparently the very same notion is denied when applied to the Palestinians. If it works, shouldn't it effect all sides involved? 

 

 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, dexterm said:

>>may be one day Arabs will accept Israel is here to stay

They do recognise Israel's right to exist within the 1967 borders.

The PLO did so in 1988 and confirmed it in writing in the Oslo Accords 1993.

"How Many Times Must the Palestinians Recognize Israel?
Netanyahu’s new 'Jewish state' mantra negates the fact that Palestinians recognized Israel more than twenty years ago. They’re still waiting for Israel to recognize Palestine."
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.579701

 

It's when Israel illegally grabs even more land in the occupied territories displacing the indigenous Palestinian population that is perpetuating the current situation where incidents of resistance like the OP arise.

 

When you say that the Palestinians accept Israel - you're just issuing an inaccurate blanket statement. Bringing up the old recognition chestnut, doesn't make it more correct. Being oblivious to the many times it was debated and your version shown to be simplistic, is a choice.

 

A summary of events and relates issues can be found here:

 

Palestinian National Covenant

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_National_Covenant

 

You're welcome to cherry-pick, ignore or dismiss facts included. Wouldn't be a first. By the way, curious how these articles which were/weren't amended feature often feature in your own posts.

 

If that's not enough - Hamas is not much into such recognition, and the same goes for other Palestinian organizations. You're welcome to deflect this point as well.

 

 

 

[emptypockets]

10 hours ago, Morch said:

 

The violence did not start 50 years ago, nor is it one sided as you misleadingly present.

Feel free to expand on your statement

[emptypockets]

6 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Nothing there which isn't known to anyone with minimal knowledge of the conflict.

Feel free to troll elsewhere.

That's not an answer. Just the usual cop out.

[emptypockets]

24 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Having stated ‘Let’s get to the guts of it’ you do exactly that and parade the  astonishing depth of your ignorance:

 

“Nothing good has come out of the middle east ..ever.”

 

Apart from:

 

Writing, the numbering system the world uses, algebra, principles of scientific experimentation, the foundations of the science of light theory, the foundations of the science chemistry, the world’s first universities, the first manned flight, mechanical clocks, the first maps and very much more.

Peace?

[cdnvic]

Have had to clean up many posts for a variety of issues. No more personal attacks or antisemitic remarks will be tolerated.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, emptypockets said:

Feel free to expand on your statement

 

Feel free to pretend the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and associated violence, started but 50 years ago. Or, for that matter, that said violence is one sided.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, emptypockets said:

That's not an answer. Just the usual cop out.

 

[OneMoreFarang]

10 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

11 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

If the Israeli teenager wouldn't have been in an illegal Israeli settlement then she would still be alive.

No settlements -no problems!

the teenager did not make the choice to live there, apportioning  blame to the dead achieves nothing

If there wouldn't be lots of illegal Israeli settlements then nobody could possibly die in them.

Remove the illegal settlements and give the land back to the Palestinians! 

[Morch]

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

If there wouldn't be lots of illegal Israeli settlements then nobody could possibly die in them.

Remove the illegal settlements and give the land back to the Palestinians! 

 

Again, Palestinian violence, in the context of the ongoing conflict, is not limited to the illegal settlements and predates them. There aren't any in the Gaza Strip, and yet.

 

While I agree that their presence is a major obstacle for the prospects of peace, and well...illegal, it would require more than the simplistic statement above to address the issue.

[dexterm]

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Again, Palestinian violence, in the context of the ongoing conflict, is not limited to the illegal settlements and predates them. There aren't any in the Gaza Strip, and yet.

 

While I agree that their presence is a major obstacle for the prospects of peace, and well...illegal, it would require more than the simplistic statement above to address the issue.

Israeli violence and Zionist terrorist gangs also predate the ongoing conflict.

 

The OP incident happened in the illegally occupied West Bank. 

In that the PLO have long recognized Israel and Hamas have agreed to accept a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders, it's clear to everyone but an obfuscator, that an end to the occupation will go a long way to establishing peace and ending the violence.

[Sujo]

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Again, Palestinian violence, in the context of the ongoing conflict, is not limited to the illegal settlements and predates them. There aren't any in the Gaza Strip, and yet.

 

While I agree that their presence is a major obstacle for the prospects of peace, and well...illegal, it would require more than the simplistic statement above to address the issue.

Deflect away. If there were no illegal settlements then the kid would not have been killed there.

 

Her parents are to blame for moving there. The Israeli govt is to blame for allowing them.

 

As another poster inferred, if the US decided not to protect Israel at every point then Israel may have a different view in how to find peace. The US is an enabler in the continuing fighting.

[OneMoreFarang]

3 hours ago, Morch said:

While I agree that their presence is a major obstacle for the prospects of peace, and well...illegal, it would require more than the simplistic statement above to address the issue.

Can we agree that it would be a great start if Israel would walk out of all those illegal settlements?

They don't have to destroy the houses and the infrastructure, I am sure the Palestinians will be happy to use those houses.

Do you agree with that idea? And what's the percentage of Israelis who are willing to walk away from those settlements to pave the way to peace?

[Morch]

2 hours ago, dexterm said:

Israeli violence and Zionist terrorist gangs also predate the ongoing conflict.

 

The OP incident happened in the illegally occupied West Bank. 

In that the PLO have long recognized Israel and Hamas have agreed to accept a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders, it's clear to everyone but an obfuscator, that an end to the occupation will go a long way to establishing peace and ending the violence.

 

I'm sure you meant something and that it didn't come out right. Israeli/Zionist violence "predating the ongoing conflict" is meaningless. My comment was that to the effect that violence comes from both sides, and that this was so well before the Israeli occupation of the West Bank, or the appearance of the first illegal settlement.

 

You can repeat the recognition chestnut, ignoring previous post and information provided - won't make your words any more accurate. Hamas did not quite agree to what you claim either.

 

Ending the occupation would obviously be a significant part of any peace effort. It cannot, however, be addressed as distinct from other related topics. And the constant twisting of facts doesn't help either.

 

 

[Morch]

2 hours ago, Sujo said:

Deflect away. If there were no illegal settlements then the kid would not have been killed there.

 

Her parents are to blame for moving there. The Israeli govt is to blame for allowing them.

 

As another poster inferred, if the US decided not to protect Israel at every point then Israel may have a different view in how to find peace. The US is an enabler in the continuing fighting.

 

There was no deflection, other than in your imagination. Said in an earlier post that blaming the kid for for living there is off mark, while blaming the parents (even without condoning the attack) is another story. AS for blaming the Israeli government and ongoing policies - no issues with that. You're barking up the wrong tree when it comes to the criticism of the illegal settlement effort.

 

Also, that this attack was carried out in the West Bank does not imply that Palestinian attacks are limited to the West Bank. Or that they target only illegal settlers and soldiers.

 

The other poster did not manage to substantiate his assertion, and you don't even try. Two points in reply

 

• Israel did without USA support for quite a while, without it having a noticeable effect on peace prospects.
• USA cutting support for the Palestinians doesn't seem to have had a significant effect on their politics - why assume that things would be different when applied to Israel?

Interestingly enough, you do not count Arab countries, or (formerly) the USSR as "enablers" despite their positions and actions contributing to prolonging this conflict. In the same vein, not a word on Palestinian rejectionist positions. For some people it's only about Israel and the USA.