Lethal mix of rain, slippery roads and speed: 65 dead on Thai roads on Monday

[phantomfiddler]

3 hours ago, rkidlad said:

That's absolutely insane. 

And that,s not counting the ones who died later in or on the way to hospital !

[outsider]

2 hours ago, RotBenz8888 said:

And the best thing they've come up with is the point-system....it's just mind-boggling. 

 

Superficial solution. More like an afterthought than anything else. No focus on the root of the problem. As usual.

[Cake Monster]

2 hours ago, trainman34014 said:

It's always the rain, the slippery roads, Dog S++t on the road, the wind, the wrong kind of leaves or any other excuse to cover up the real cause of most accidents....lousy driving.    They just don't understand that you have to drive to the conditions at any given time, not just continue with foot right through the floor every time they get in the driving seat !

I hate to imagine just how bad the figures would be if these Morons were to drive in a European Country, where they would experience Snow, Ice , Fog, and Freezing rain.

 

[Jim walker]

Bad unqualified drivers wet roads = death

[CALSinCM]

Hopefully holidays like New Years will arrive soon so that the fatality number drop to something reasonable. 
Thank Buddha Thailand doesn't get sleet or snow! 

[PEE TEE]

3 hours ago, keith101 said:

The headline should read Wet roads , alcohol , speed and idiot untrained drivers and riders this is the facts .

it will only get worse. 

[mrfill]

1 hour ago, fxe1200 said:

You can add Tires with no profile with to low or to high air pressure, done brake pads and linings, overloaded and what not.

50psi for all wheels on all vehicles. It's a Thai standard.

 

Make tyre hard - last longer.

 

Also explains why so many go danceabout when it rains a liitle...

[dcnx]

A million Thai road deaths by 2060 and they still won’t know how to deal with the problem. This exact conversation will still be taking place in 40 years. 

[Dino 308]

Sweden in the mid 60's had 1500 deaths/year in traffic when the government decided on the zero-vision which has been in effect ever since then.

 

Now 200 dies in traffic and the number of vehicles is 4 times higher.

In Thailand it's 25000 deaths per year, adjusted for the difference in population it equals to 3700 which means 20 times higher!

Of course there are no U-turns on highways in Europe etc. With very small means Thailand could easily take down the number of deaths with 50% but it would require long term commitment and a government that really wanted improvements. It could be financed easily from the reduction in hospital costs for traffic accidents.

[Stoker58]

“Lethal mix of Thais and motor vehicles” more like.

[bkk6060]

48 minutes ago, Jimbo2014 said:

You forgot to add "massive ineffective police force and petty minor fines for road violations."

Which has nothing to do with and has no influence on the topic of this thread.

[Artisi]

2 hours ago, RotBenz8888 said:

And the best thing they've come up with is the point-system....it's just mind-boggling. 

Well there will be 1mil not collecting points, so that will be considered that the point system is working. 

 

[Redline]

 

Id like to see what happens if it snowed 

[CALSinCM]

2 hours ago, findlay13 said:

A points system that allows for multipule drink driving offences until your licence is suspended for 3 months. Alice in wonderland comes to mind.

Then after your license is suspended, the cops will issue you a small fine for driving without a license and the receipt for the fine will allow you to drive the rest of the day without being fined again at another road block.   Meantime you can drive as recklessly as you want because Patrol Officers in cars don't exist in Thailand.  And those road blocks?  They are for shaking down motorcyclists.  As long as you're in a new car and especially a Hiso Benz, BMW, or Fortuner then you'll probably never be stopped.  Thank goodness there is a drought going on in a lot of the country.  it's probably saving the life's of the terminally ignorant Thai drivers which is pretty much everyone.  Most of these folks don't have basic driving skills.  Add some rain and their lack of skill becomes readily apparent.  Driving on bald tires doesn't help. Sort of like the tires of this passenger bus headed up the Chiang Mai - Chiang Rai highway. 
A country who only can downplay the carnage on their roads by publishing photo-ops of their leaders gushing about how they are going to really, really crack-down on the driving problem - and then do nothing of substance.  A point system?  Of course. 
How many points for driving a fully loaded bus off of a winding, twisting road because your driver is a unskillful, aggressive driver who is driving a bus on a set of treadless slicks in the rain. 
Then they wonder "why the carnage?"

 

 

 

[hotchilli]

4 hours ago, rkidlad said:

That's absolutely insane..... 

This is insane !!!!

[natway09]

They forgot to add to that "lethal stupidity"

[4675636b596f75]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

Daily News caution that these statistic are just for those dead at the scene of accidents. 

If that's the case, can we please have the stats for those of us who are still living?

[ToddinChonburi]

Would be important to keep track of how many are un Lisenced drivers.

[Almer]

4 hours ago, keith101 said:

The headline should read Wet roads , alcohol , speed and idiot untrained drivers and riders this is the facts .

Agreed

[Brickbat]

Thais have no idea on consequences. No lights and continue speeding. And that phone never stops pinging. And like drug addicts , they go for it. Mobile phones are also responsible for lots of accidents worldwide

[geoffrobbo]

"rain, slippery roads and speed were making driving conditions hazardous"
Anywhere else in the world this would not lead to a major increase in road deaths, it would lead to an increase in cautious driving.
So perhaps "rain, slippery roads and speed were making driving conditions hazardous" increase the death toll due to incompetent drivers.

 

[CALSinCM]

5 minutes ago, CALSinCM said:

Then after your license is suspended, the cops will issue you a small fine for driving without a license and the receipt for the fine will allow you to drive the rest of the day without being fined again at another road block.   Meantime you can drive as recklessly as you want because Patrol Officers in cars don't exist in Thailand.  And those road blocks?  They are for shaking down motorcyclists.  As long as you're in a new car and especially a Hiso Benz, BMW, or Fortuner then you'll probably never be stopped.  Thank goodness there is a drought going on in a lot of the country.  it's probably saving the life's of the terminally ignorant Thai drivers which is pretty much everyone.  Most of these folks don't have basic driving skills.  Add some rain and their lack of skill becomes readily apparent.  Driving on bald tires doesn't help. Sort of like the tires of this passenger bus headed up the Chiang Mai - Chiang Rai highway. 
A country who only can downplay the carnage on their roads by publishing photo-ops of their leaders gushing about how they are going to really, really crack-down on the driving problem - and then do nothing of substance.  A point system?  Of course. 
How many points for driving a fully loaded bus off of a winding, twisting road because your driver is a unskillful, aggressive driver who is driving a bus on a set of treadless slicks in the rain. 
Then they wonder "why the carnage?"

 

 

 

Notice that I did not include a picture with the name of the bus company.  I explicitly did not. 
It would be more of a priority in Thailand for a bus company to come after someone for defamation who posted a picture online of one of their buses driving on slicks then it would be for the same authorities to go after the bus company for putting all of the bus's passengers at mortal risk of injury or death because their bus is running on bald tyres. 
Until the Thai authorities can straighten out their priorities the carnage continues unabated.  Remember this the next time you hear of a bus coming off the road while driving in the mountains of Northern Thailand.  In the back of your mind will be a niggling little voice, "I wonder if it was that bus driving on slicks?" 
There is no real will in the LOS to put and end to the carnage. 

[Thaifriends]

Too bad. How slippery soapy massage would be, let me guess????

[Chongalulu]

3 hours ago, Misterwhisper said:

The headline missed out on one additional factor that played a major role in that death toll. It should've read:

 

 

Not quite right - it should read 'Incompetent drivers failing to adapt to foreseeable conditions cause the death of 65 people.'

[phka]

Me Meee first 

[Janner1]

3 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

Introducing a real driving test just seems beyond them for some reason, maybe they just do not really care enough?

Are there any people in Thailand qualified to give adequate instruction in a real driving test scenario?

Methinks not when we see cops and government limo drivers driving just as badly as the rest of the populace

[Trevor Collins]

3 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

Introducing a real driving test just seems beyond them for some reason, maybe they just do not really care enough?

A proper driving test to Western standards will just mean more unlicensed idiots on the road, taking risks in situations they are not trained to deal with.  If 65 people died on UK roads in one day, questions would be asked in Parliament...

[gunderhill]

4 hours ago, RotBenz8888 said:

And the best thing they've come up with is the point-system

Its there to create  money nothing else.

[sawadee1947]

2 hours ago, darksidedog said:

I am back in England right now and the difference on the roads is amazing. People drive sensibly, show courtesy towards other road users, and give way to each other, with an acknowledgement of each others actions mutually acknowledged. Thailand however is just a frenzied chaos, with no manners, no respect for other road users, selfish behaviour to carve up other vehicles to save three seconds, and no enforcement of law. 

Trying to see Thailand bridge the gap between the right way to drive safely, with the stupidity, recklessness and rudeness we have currently, is a very tall order. Put simply, they haven't got the first clue, and the carnage is going to continue for a very long time to come.

So you decided to stay in Borisland?? 

[Burma Bill]

5 hours ago, keith101 said:

The headline should read Wet roads , alcohol , speed and idiot untrained drivers and riders this is the facts .

Could also include bald tyres, faulty brakes and improperly maintained vehicles!