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American federal officials are investigating a national outbreak of severe lung illnesses linked to vaping. One studied agent in mixtures is diacetyl. It had been studied in popcorn-flavoring lung disease. Is nothing sacred?

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But on what basis did Thailand oppose it? You tell me please, I really don't know. Was it because of diacetyl?

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Thailand gets only one thing right making more money for those than can never have enough 🤔

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10 hours ago, elgenon said:

On the basis that the flavored tobacco leads kids to start smoking and maybe progress to cigs. 

America opposes vaping on those grounds. Even menthol cigs.

However  research to date, at least in the UK, shows this to be an unfounded assumption:

 

[incidentally there is no tobacco, flavoured or otherwise, in e-cigarettes at all.]

E-cigarettes do not normalise smoking for young people – study

 

"Some health experts and anti-smoking groups have expressed concern that the growth of e-cigarettes might normalise the idea of smoking for young people.

But the study led by Cardiff University researchers suggests the number of teenagers who said they had tried smoking or thought it was acceptable to smoke has continued to fall despite the rise in e-cigarette use.

The study, published in the journal Tobacco Control, examined data from England, Wales and Scotland, and found that from 1998 to 2015 the percentage of children aged between 13 and 15 who had smoked decreased from 60% to 19%, while regular smokers in the same age group fell from 19% to 5%.

 

Dr Graham Moore, based at the Centre for the Development and Evaluation of Complex Interventions for Public Health Improvement, said: “These findings suggest that fears over a resurgence in youth tobacco smoking because of the rise in e-cigarette use are largely unfounded to date.

“The nature of e-cigarettes, and the landscape in which they are sold and used, continue to change rapidly, and we need to continue to keep a close eye on how they affect young people. However, this study demonstrates the success of public health efforts in reducing smoking among young people in the last 20 years and provides no evidence that e-cigarettes are reversing this.”

 

The tobacco control campaign group Ash Wales believes e-cigarettes have a crucial role to play in reducing smoking.

The group’s CEO, Suzanne Cass, said: “We welcome the results of the study and hope this will strengthen the case for e-cigarettes to be considered a highly effective smoking cessation tool and a far safer alternative to smoking tobacco, rather than the first step to becoming a smoker.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/apr/01/e-cigarettes-do-not-normalise-smoking-for-young-people-study

 

Tobacco Control. 2019 Apr 1. pii: tobaccocontrol-2018-054584. doi: 10.1136/tobaccocontrol-2018-054584. [Epub ahead of print]

Have e-cigarettes renormalised or displaced youth smoking? Results of a segmented regression analysis of repeated cross sectional survey data in England, Scotland and Wales.

Hallingberg B(1), Maynard OM(2), Bauld L(3), Brown R(1), Gray L(4), Lowthian E(1), MacKintosh AM(5), Moore L(4), Munafo MR(2), Moore G(1). 

(1)Centre for the Development and Evaluation of Complex Interventions for Public Health Improvement, School of Social Sciences, Cardiff University, Cardiff, UK.

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On 8/28/2019 at 7:27 AM, partington said:

However  research to date, at least in the UK, shows this to be an unfounded assumption:

 

[incidentally there is no tobacco, flavoured or otherwise, in e-cigarettes at all.]

E-cigarettes do not normalise smoking for young people – study

 

"Some health experts and anti-smoking groups have expressed concern that the growth of e-cigarettes might normalise the idea of smoking for young people.

But the study led by Cardiff University researchers suggests the number of teenagers who said they had tried smoking or thought it was acceptable to smoke has continued to fall despite the rise in e-cigarette use.

The study, published in the journal Tobacco Control, examined data from England, Wales and Scotland, and found that from 1998 to 2015 the percentage of children aged between 13 and 15 who had smoked decreased from 60% to 19%, while regular smokers in the same age group fell from 19% to 5%.

 

Dr Graham Moore, based at the Centre for the Development and Evaluation of Complex Interventions for Public Health Improvement, said: “These findings suggest that fears over a resurgence in youth tobacco smoking because of the rise in e-cigarette use are largely unfounded to date.

“The nature of e-cigarettes, and the landscape in which they are sold and used, continue to change rapidly, and we need to continue to keep a close eye on how they affect young people. However, this study demonstrates the success of public health efforts in reducing smoking among young people in the last 20 years and provides no evidence that e-cigarettes are reversing this.”

 

The tobacco control campaign group Ash Wales believes e-cigarettes have a crucial role to play in reducing smoking.

The group’s CEO, Suzanne Cass, said: “We welcome the results of the study and hope this will strengthen the case for e-cigarettes to be considered a highly effective smoking cessation tool and a far safer alternative to smoking tobacco, rather than the first step to becoming a smoker.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/apr/01/e-cigarettes-do-not-normalise-smoking-for-young-people-study

 

Tobacco Control. 2019 Apr 1. pii: tobaccocontrol-2018-054584. doi: 10.1136/tobaccocontrol-2018-054584. [Epub ahead of print]

Have e-cigarettes renormalised or displaced youth smoking? Results of a segmented regression analysis of repeated cross sectional survey data in England, Scotland and Wales.

Hallingberg B(1), Maynard OM(2), Bauld L(3), Brown R(1), Gray L(4), Lowthian E(1), MacKintosh AM(5), Moore L(4), Munafo MR(2), Moore G(1). 

(1)Centre for the Development and Evaluation of Complex Interventions for Public Health Improvement, School of Social Sciences, Cardiff University, Cardiff, UK.

Don't know about Wales but America found a link between e-cigs and going to cigs. Again Thailand's objection is mainly it's the start of a slippery slope. Yes?

 

I have read many times that e-cigs contain nicotine. You say otherwise? 

 

Then again, was it a Thai official or an American president that said pollution is good for you?

 

Anyway, the chemical I mentioned has been found and verified. in America.

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6 hours ago, elgenon said:

Don't know about Wales but America found a link between e-cigs and going to cigs. Again Thailand's objection is mainly it's the start of a slippery slope. Yes?

 

I have read many times that e-cigs contain nicotine. You say otherwise? 

 

Then again, was it a Thai official or an American president that said pollution is good for you?

 

Anyway, the chemical I mentioned has been found and verified. in America.

No I said "tobacco"  because you referred to 

 

On 8/28/2019 at 5:29 AM, elgenon said:

flavored tobacco 

 

and e-cigarettes contain no tobacco. They do contain nicotine of course, but so does nicotine chewing gum, which is available over the counter in both the US and UK and has been for years.

 

The danger with cigarettes is they give you cancer and heart disease. This is nothing to do with nicotine, which is pretty harmless.

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On 8/30/2019 at 3:54 AM, partington said:

No I said "tobacco"  because you referred to 

 

 

and e-cigarettes contain no tobacco. They do contain nicotine of course, but so does nicotine chewing gum, which is available over the counter in both the US and UK and has been for years.

 

The danger with cigarettes is they give you cancer and heart disease. This is nothing to do with nicotine, which is pretty harmless.

Sorry, you are correctomundo. I was imprecise. It's merely a bad aspect of tobacco. 555

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On 8/28/2019 at 3:27 PM, partington said:

However  research to date, at least in the UK, shows this to be an unfounded assumption:

 

[incidentally there is no tobacco, flavoured or otherwise, in e-cigarettes at all.]

E-cigarettes do not normalise smoking for young people – study

 

"Some health experts and anti-smoking groups have expressed concern that the growth of e-cigarettes might normalise the idea of smoking for young people.

But the study led by Cardiff University researchers suggests the number of teenagers who said they had tried smoking or thought it was acceptable to smoke has continued to fall despite the rise in e-cigarette use.

The study, published in the journal Tobacco Control, examined data from England, Wales and Scotland, and found that from 1998 to 2015 the percentage of children aged between 13 and 15 who had smoked decreased from 60% to 19%, while regular smokers in the same age group fell from 19% to 5%.

 

Dr Graham Moore, based at the Centre for the Development and Evaluation of Complex Interventions for Public Health Improvement, said: “These findings suggest that fears over a resurgence in youth tobacco smoking because of the rise in e-cigarette use are largely unfounded to date.

“The nature of e-cigarettes, and the landscape in which they are sold and used, continue to change rapidly, and we need to continue to keep a close eye on how they affect young people. However, this study demonstrates the success of public health efforts in reducing smoking among young people in the last 20 years and provides no evidence that e-cigarettes are reversing this.”

 

The tobacco control campaign group Ash Wales believes e-cigarettes have a crucial role to play in reducing smoking.

The group’s CEO, Suzanne Cass, said: “We welcome the results of the study and hope this will strengthen the case for e-cigarettes to be considered a highly effective smoking cessation tool and a far safer alternative to smoking tobacco, rather than the first step to becoming a smoker.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/apr/01/e-cigarettes-do-not-normalise-smoking-for-young-people-study

 

Tobacco Control. 2019 Apr 1. pii: tobaccocontrol-2018-054584. doi: 10.1136/tobaccocontrol-2018-054584. [Epub ahead of print]

Have e-cigarettes renormalised or displaced youth smoking? Results of a segmented regression analysis of repeated cross sectional survey data in England, Scotland and Wales.

Hallingberg B(1), Maynard OM(2), Bauld L(3), Brown R(1), Gray L(4), Lowthian E(1), MacKintosh AM(5), Moore L(4), Munafo MR(2), Moore G(1). 

(1)Centre for the Development and Evaluation of Complex Interventions for Public Health Improvement, School of Social Sciences, Cardiff University, Cardiff, UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/05/vaping-risk-regulation-lungs

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