Australian visitor visa for thai girlfriend

[Gp93]

Hello,

 

So my situation is I'm an english citizen living in Sydney Australia on a 12 months working holiday Visa. I have been with my Thai partner now for 4 months and want to get her to come join me in Sydney on a  3 month subclass 600 visitor visa. I have more than enough enough money to support her stay and can prove this. My partner is a freelance model in thailand with no kids and rents a condo monthly. She has family who she has to provide for which I can also provide for while if she was to come to Australia.

 

Can anybody who has tried something similar or who has any advice add some input and let me know what chance I have. I understand not being an Australian citizen may screw the chances up but I'm aware the uk and Australia have a fairly reasonable relationship that I'm hoping might go in favour

 

Thanks 

[ThaiBunny]

The difficulty that I foresee is she's a different nationality altogether - if she was a girlfriend from your home country I'd say you'd stand a good chance. Your post suggests she's in Thailand and you're already in Sydney. However this link suggests she'll have to apply for her own visa, and I doubt she's eligible for a WH visa - https://www.gotocourt.com.au/immigration/working-holiday-visas/

[Gp93]

12 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

The difficulty that I foresee is she's a different nationality altogether - if she was a girlfriend from your home country I'd say you'd stand a good chance. Your post suggests she's in Thailand and you're already in Sydney. However this link suggests she'll have to apply for her own visa, and I doubt she's eligible for a WH visa - https://www.gotocourt.com.au/immigration/working-holiday-visas/

Yes I'm in sydney and she in thailand, the visa she would be applying for is a visitor Visa for 3 months and I would be acting as a sponsor to cover her costs while she is here 

[Peterw42]

OP, It all comes down to flight risk. Reasons to return to Thailand.

Without a job, children etc in Thailand she may have problems as no reasons to return.

You will need to prove your relationship, photos, emails etc, that is more important than how much money you have or your citizenship.

 

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[4MyEgo]

Not a chance in the world.

 

She will have to apply on her own, you could put a letter in with her application as it would hurt, but she would have a better chance going through an agent I would think.

 

So you have been seeing her for 4 months, she is freelance model, you have enough money to support her stay, she has family which she has to support, which you can support if she stays with you.

 

I am only going to say this once, read between the lines, if you get it, all and good, if you don't, no doubt you will in time, I hope I'm wrong though.

 

Best of luck

[Gp93]

5 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

OP, It all comes down to flight risk. Reasons to return to Thailand.

Without a job, children etc in Thailand she may have problems as no reasons to return.

You will need to prove your relationship, photos, emails etc, that is more important than how much money you have or your citizenship.

 

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We can prove a pretty decent looking relationship travelling around asia together alot of pictures a messages, but the biggest thing like you say is the reasons to return

[Gp93]

7 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Not a chance in the world.

 

She will have to apply on her own, you could put a letter in with her application as it would hurt, but she would have a better chance going through an agent I would think.

 

So you have been seeing her for 4 months, she is freelance model, you have enough money to support her stay, she has family which she has to support, which you can support if she stays with you.

 

I am only going to say this once, read between the lines, if you get it, all and good, if you don't, no doubt you will in time, I hope I'm wrong though.

 

Best of luck

Yes she would be doing her own application through a well known Visa visa lawyer based in Australia who has helped alot of thai get to Australia but not many with my situation where I'm not a Australian citizen. 

 

Was looking to see if anybody has done something similar and can tell me if they think its worth trying or a waste of money 

[4MyEgo]

5 minutes ago, Gp93 said:

Was looking to see if anybody has done something similar and can tell me if they think its worth trying or a waste of money 

I think outside of the agency, it's going to be a hard one, what I would suggest as you are in Oz, is to contact them as soon as they open, as I applied for my then girlfriend in Australia for a tourist visa, me being an Oz citizen, she was approved, 2 months into the visa, she had a month to go and I wanted to extend it, I was told flatly NO, fortunately for me, the guy I spoke to, spoke the same language as me and said, unless your prepared to marry her and then get a bridging visa, she has to go back, so we got married about 2 weeks later after arranging it, and she remained in Oz 9 years with me, travelling to Thailand together when we needed too.

 

Now living in Thailand, with 2 kids from that relationship.

 

The reasons I said read between the lines is, if to get a good one here is like finding a needle in the haystack, so as I said, best of luck, and I meant that sincerely.

[Peterw42]

1 hour ago, Gp93 said:

Yes she would be doing her own application through a well known Visa visa lawyer based in Australia who has helped alot of thai get to Australia but not many with my situation where I'm not a Australian citizen. 

 

Was looking to see if anybody has done something similar and can tell me if they think its worth trying or a waste of money 

If its a decent lawyer, they will advise if it may be a problem. Lawyers will know what to put in and what to leave out, answers to relevant questions etc.

I think you are worrying unnecessarily about not being an Australian citizen, It wont come into it, I have taken 2 girlfriends to Australia, I wrote invitation and support letters in both cases and cant recall mentioning or being asked my citizenship.

[ThaiBunny]

4 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

I have taken 2 girlfriends to Australia

Both at the same time? I think further details are needed

[Will27]

3 hours ago, Gp93 said:

Yes she would be doing her own application through a well known Visa visa lawyer based in Australia who has helped alot of thai get to Australia but not many with my situation where I'm not a Australian citizen. 

 

Was looking to see if anybody has done something similar and can tell me if they think its worth trying or a waste of money 

A big problem is your relationship is only 4 months old.

 

Also, when your girlfriend provides your details as a sponsor, Immigration

will be able to see you're on a working holiday visa.

This won't be in your favour as they more than likely will think you're bringing your girlfriend out to work as well.

I'm guessing as a "freelance model" her employment is sporadic at best.

 

The visa itself is only about $145 and I'm not sure what the agent would charge you.

It's a pretty basic application.

 

It wouldn't hurt to apply but I wouldn't be holding my breath.

 

[BobbyL]

I wouldn't be too optimistic after being together for only four months. The travel history and being able to demonstrate returning home are the big ones, however if she doesn't have a full time job and has only travelled to countries around South East Asia that doesn't really prove anything. 

 

 

[ThaiBunny]

The whole point of the WH visa is that you have funds to support yourself if you don't find work - hence the $5K funds requirement. You're now proposing to the Immigration authorities that not only can you support yourself, but also her AND her family back home

[RAZZELL]

"Freelance model" - is that like a freelancer? ????

 

A 4 month relationship, OP is not an Aussie, gf I take it has no "proper" job ie proof of income, tax returns etc etc?

 

No chance.

 

RAZZ

[Trek800]

My situation is little bit different than what OP described but I would like to ask some advice anyway.

I am a EU citizen and can travel to Australia with e-visitor what I can apply online but obviously my Thai gf needs a visitor visa. Around next April we are planning a 10 days trip to Melbourne and Tasmania.
Just thinking what her chances would be to get a visa? We are traveling together During her university break and I will pay for the flights and living expenses. For a travel history, she have one expired schengen visa in her passport from our 5 weeks trip to Europe last summer and also visa free entry/exit stamps from Japan where we took a 5 days extended weekend trip.

i didn’t find any information about when non Aussie Citizen wants to have a holiday in Australia with his Thai girlfriend. 

 

[Will27]

On 10/18/2019 at 11:56 PM, Trek800 said:

My situation is little bit different than what OP described but I would like to ask some advice anyway.

I am a EU citizen and can travel to Australia with e-visitor what I can apply online but obviously my Thai gf needs a visitor visa. Around next April we are planning a 10 days trip to Melbourne and Tasmania.
Just thinking what her chances would be to get a visa? We are traveling together During her university break and I will pay for the flights and living expenses. For a travel history, she have one expired schengen visa in her passport from our 5 weeks trip to Europe last summer and also visa free entry/exit stamps from Japan where we took a 5 days extended weekend trip.

i didn’t find any information about when non Aussie Citizen wants to have a holiday in Australia with his Thai girlfriend. 

 

TBH, it pretty much doesn't make much difference that you're not an Aussie.

 

She's applying for the visa and you're financing it.

So pretty much the same still applies.

 

The main one is the reason to go home and ties to Thailand.

Her travel history will be in her favour, so will be travelling with you.

It's only 10 days as well.

A letter from the school about her studies wouldn't hurt either.

 

I'd say she's a real good chance of getting one.

At the end of the day, it's cheap enough so just lodge an application.

[Gp93]

On 10/19/2019 at 3:56 AM, Trek800 said:

My situation is little bit different than what OP described but I would like to ask some advice anyway.

I am a EU citizen and can travel to Australia with e-visitor what I can apply online but obviously my Thai gf needs a visitor visa. Around next April we are planning a 10 days trip to Melbourne and Tasmania.
Just thinking what her chances would be to get a visa? We are traveling together During her university break and I will pay for the flights and living expenses. For a travel history, she have one expired schengen visa in her passport from our 5 weeks trip to Europe last summer and also visa free entry/exit stamps from Japan where we took a 5 days extended weekend trip.

i didn’t find any information about when non Aussie Citizen wants to have a holiday in Australia with his Thai girlfriend. 

 

From what I have learned since looking into this they need to see solid grounds that she is going to return back to Thailand being letter from employer/school, proof of home ownership , a child, dependants in Thailand. I've also learned that being an Australian citizen is a very big advantage, if your not an Australian citizen yourself and your trying to sponsor your thai partner who is also not an Australian citizen not forgetting  also classed as high risk to the Australian government you need to have an extremely solid application put in place for them to let her in it doesn't matter if you plan to visit for 1 week or 12 weeks with return flights booked the first thing they think is risk of overstay its just the way it is its <deleted> and unfair but that's the way the cookie crumbles, if your going to try seek an immigration specialist even with one of those the chances will be low but alot better that on your own 

[Vacuum]

Freelance model.... 4 months, not stying together.... what could go wrong.

[TSF]

41 minutes ago, Gp93 said:

From what I have learned since looking into this they need to see solid grounds that she is going to return back to Thailand being letter from employer/school, proof of home ownership , a child, dependants in Thailand. I've also learned that being an Australian citizen is a very big advantage, if your not an Australian citizen yourself and your trying to sponsor your thai partner who is also not an Australian citizen not forgetting  also classed as high risk to the Australian government you need to have an extremely solid application put in place for them to let her in it doesn't matter if you plan to visit for 1 week or 12 weeks with return flights booked the first thing they think is risk of overstay its just the way it is its <deleted> and unfair but that's the way the cookie crumbles, if your going to try seek an immigration specialist even with one of those the chances will be low but alot better that on your own 

What's always puzzled me is they make a big deal about needing to see solid grounds for returning to Thailand and not remaining in Oz, then they whack a Condition 8503 on the visa, which makes it virtually impossible to remain longer. 

[Will27]

21 minutes ago, TSF said:

What's always puzzled me is they make a big deal about needing to see solid grounds for returning to Thailand and not remaining in Oz, then they whack a Condition 8503 on the visa, which makes it virtually impossible to remain longer. 

The reason they apply the 8503, is so that you cannot apply for another visa whilst you're in Australia.

[Will27]

1 hour ago, Gp93 said:

From what I have learned since looking into this they need to see solid grounds that she is going to return back to Thailand being letter from employer/school, proof of home ownership , a child, dependants in Thailand. I've also learned that being an Australian citizen is a very big advantage, if your not an Australian citizen yourself and your trying to sponsor your thai partner who is also not an Australian citizen not forgetting  also classed as high risk to the Australian government you need to have an extremely solid application put in place for them to let her in it doesn't matter if you plan to visit for 1 week or 12 weeks with return flights booked the first thing they think is risk of overstay its just the way it is its <deleted> and unfair but that's the way the cookie crumbles, if your going to try seek an immigration specialist even with one of those the chances will be low but alot better that on your own 

Being an Aussie citizen doesn't really concern Immigration TBH.

 

[Gp93]

4 minutes ago, Will27 said:

Being an Aussie citizen doesn't really concern Immigration TBH.

 

It does when sponsoring somebody else to enter Australia, a citizen will always be favoured upon against a traveller/foreigner 

[Will27]

9 minutes ago, Gp93 said:

It does when sponsoring somebody else to enter Australia, a citizen will always be favoured upon against a traveller/foreigner 

Can you tell me why?

 

Because in my dealings, that's not the case.

 

The Aussie citizen is not applying for the visa.

There's no advantage at all.

[TSF]

1 hour ago, Will27 said:

The reason they apply the 8503, is so that you cannot apply for another visa whilst you're in Australia.

So can a visa with 8503 be extended within Oz?

 

[Gp93]

1 hour ago, Will27 said:

Can you tell me why?

 

Because in my dealings, that's not the case.

 

The Aussie citizen is not applying for the visa.

There's no advantage at all.

I was told by 2 very well known aussie based Visa specialists that if I'm acting as her sponsor they check my visa type and when they see I'm here travelling myself there is a very slim chance they will accept it i was told a 10% chance, where as if I was an aussie citizen one of there own it looks alot more plausible and if anything goes wrong say she does overstay they could then come after me they know everything about me the chances are I have my own house here a job a car not a foreigner with no ties who can get on the next flight and not return.

 

I asked if she should apply for a tourist on her own without a sponsor and was told the chances were even slimmer 

[Will27]

25 minutes ago, TSF said:

So can a visa with 8503 be extended within Oz?

 

No.

 

You can apply for a waiver to lift it, but the circumstances must be compelling.

Pretty hard to do.

[Will27]

14 minutes ago, Gp93 said:

I was told by 2 very well known aussie based Visa specialists that if I'm acting as her sponsor they check my visa type and when they see I'm here travelling myself there is a very slim chance they will accept it i was told a 10% chance, where as if I was an aussie citizen one of there own it looks alot more plausible and if anything goes wrong say she does overstay they could then come after me they know everything about me the chances are I have my own house here a job a car not a foreigner with no ties who can get on the next flight and not return.

 

I asked if she should apply for a tourist on her own without a sponsor and was told the chances were even slimmer 

You should speak to better agents, because that is incorrect.

 

They (Immigration) won't do anything to you if she overstayed anyway.

 

Lots of people apply without a sponsor and get visa's.

All depends on the applicant and the strength of the application.

 

[Gp93]

11 hours ago, Will27 said:

You should speak to better agents, because that is incorrect.

 

They (Immigration) won't do anything to you if she overstayed anyway.

 

Lots of people apply without a sponsor and get visa's.

All depends on the applicant and the strength of the application.

 

Can you tell me your experiences with this please? I'm interested to know if you have any information that may help me, have you got a Visa for your thai partner into Australia?

[Will27]

35 minutes ago, Gp93 said:

Can you tell me your experiences with this please? I'm interested to know if you have any information that may help me, have you got a Visa for your thai partner into Australia?

I gave you some information in post 11.

 

What else what you like to know?

I'm happy to help if I can.

[TSF]

11 hours ago, Will27 said:

No.

 

You can apply for a waiver to lift it, but the circumstances must be compelling.

Pretty hard to do.

So right back to what I initially said. Why all the paranoia that the applicant may not return when they whack 8503 on the visa which makes it virtually impossible to remain longer.