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I rent though an estate agent , the ‘ owner ‘ is I understand an American , living in America, I’ve have no idea  who he is ,

when I signed my yearly ( 4 years now ) contract , they ‘ the estate agent sign on the owners behalf . 

I went to the estate agent to explain and to ask what I should do as I’m leaving the country to fly to the UK for 2 weeks . 

Their ‘ advice ‘  was firstly didn’t know what I was talking about and just to ignore it , and just to remind me that my 90 day report started again on my arrival 

🤔.  So my owner is going to get fined .. how ? 

Do I get fined on my visit to immigration doing my next 90 days ? 

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8 minutes ago, Howiehotspur said:

I rent though an estate agent , the ‘ owner ‘ is I understand an American , living in America, I’ve have no idea  who he is ,

when I signed my yearly ( 4 years now ) contract , they ‘ the estate agent sign on the owners behalf . 

I went to the estate agent to explain and to ask what I should do as I’m leaving the country to fly to the UK for 2 weeks . 

Their ‘ advice ‘  was firstly didn’t know what I was talking about and just to ignore it , and just to remind me that my 90 day report started again on my arrival 

🤔.  So my owner is going to get fined .. how ? 

Do I get fined on my visit to immigration doing my next 90 days ? 

If you are following another post where it says the TM 30 is for the landlord you as the tenant TM 28 when you return to base I can imagine lots of the real estate agents having a lot of extra work to do, Im sure they would be liable on behalf of the owner as the would be classed as the possessor 

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I think you will find humans hand out the passwords after checking documents, not the computer system. 
Any computer system/database will only have the latest data that has been entered, No data entered isnt a shortcoming of the computer system, it simply means no new data has been entered.
 
I think you will find humans process data.

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19 hours ago, Jaxxper said:

Jomtien immigration told me yesterday they are not interested in trips within Thailand. They did say if you leave Thailand and return they expect a new TM 30. Just for info. Not sure which office you do your immigration stuff at.

That’s exactly what my partner and I have been told by CM immigration. If I travel within Thailand they are not worried about us filling in any TMs. But if I leave Thailand,she will need to do a TM30 upon my return to our home. 

She has filled in the details to do this TM 30 online,but still waiting for a response from immigration. 

But please get the immigration website working,so it’s easy and efficient to use. 

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19 minutes ago, Wongkitlo said:

I think you will find humans process data.

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Pretty sure thats what I said, the computer system isnt at fault, only immigration slow to hand out passwords or people not doing TM30 reports.

 

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23 hours ago, BigBadGeordie said:

So as I understand this, I did a 90 day report yesterday (TM47), and I have gone to stay at my friends for the weekend I have to complete a TM28 and my friend has to complete a TM30 within 24 hours. 

On returning home on Monday I have to complete another TM28 and my wife has to complete another TM30 within 24 hours to say I have returned?

 

Madness!!

Why did you tell them you'd stayed elsewhere for just a few days. That's madness  😝

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Pretty sure thats what I said, the computer system isnt at fault, only immigration slow to hand out passwords or people not doing TM30 reports.
 
The humans processing data are part of the system. They receive paper copies of tm30's and someone needs to put the data in the computer. If I go to one immigration and do a tm30 and then the next day go to another immigration to do another when I return home will I get fined because the 1st immigration is taking too long to process the TM30 I submitted. In theory I could tell the 2nd immigration I submitted at the 1st one and unless they physically contact them tjey cannot prove otherwise. As I said in my original post it is too hard for them to keep track of every tourist.

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I really not find this about the reason for filling those papers when I go to another province logic. Ihave a friend living about 20 kilometers south of me, but we live in different provinces. So if I stay overnight Both he and me have to report. On the other hand, I have another friend that live about 80 kilometers from me, but in the same province. To his place I can go and stay for a month or more without reporting.  So when IO say that this is for knowing where we are, it is just BS And in the first case mentioned they would neighther know as I have allready moved when they get the documents.  

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So we all know about the TM7, yes? and the TM47 - yes?

 

And now, the TM28 and TM30 - Which we thought we understood, but apparently didn't as of one year or so ago - but now we do really understand, because Pattaya Immigration have cleared it up for us, reminding us all that we always did understand the purpose of the two forms.

 

I wonder if there will be a need for us to complete: TM1 - TM6, TM8-TM27 and TM31 - TM46? Do we understand these forms? Does anyone know what they are? Will The Immigration Dept. discover yet another method of cash extraction?

 

Oh - and I almost forgot TM29...………. and live in hope that after TM47 - nothing further lies in wait to trap us all!

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6 hours ago, LivinginKata said:

 

Applies to all foreigners staying in Thailand ....

A tourist doesn't have to think about it, because he will (normally) leave before the visa expires,and the TM30 reports should by law be reported by hotels and guesthouses. If you never ever visit any Immigration office,don't think about it. Even if you rent a condo 30 days,the owner/landlord should report you. It's not your responsibility.

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19 minutes ago, Bundooman said:

So we all know about the TM7, yes? and the TM47 - yes?

 

And now, the TM28 and TM30 - Which we thought we understood, but apparently didn't as of one year or so ago - but now we do really understand, because Pattaya Immigration have cleared it up for us, reminding us all that we always did understand the purpose of the two forms.

 

I wonder if there will be a need for us to complete: TM1 - TM6, TM8-TM27 and TM31 - TM46? Do we understand these forms? Does anyone know what they are? Will The Immigration Dept. discover yet another method of cash extraction?

 

Oh - and I almost forgot TM29...………. and live in hope that after TM47 - nothing further lies in wait to trap us all!

You will always have to fill in the TM6, otherwise you can't enter Thailand, TM7 is for any type of extension,so that one you also need to fill in (I have mine in my computer, filled in, and I only change the date before print out), the TM47 is supposed to be submitted only for the first 90 days report, and never again.

The explanation from Phuket Immigration about TM28 and TM30 is of no use, unless Immigration accepts the TM28 alone,submitted by the foreigner, and doesn't require the TM30,too,from the owner/housemaster/possessor.

The form for transfer stamps to a new passport is needed of course,if you stay long term. The rest of the forms are not used frequently if you already have for example a retirement visa. 

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1 hour ago, Titan1962 said:

That’s exactly what my partner and I have been told by CM immigration. If I travel within Thailand they are not worried about us filling in any TMs. But if I leave Thailand,she will need to do a TM30 upon my return to our home. 

She has filled in the details to do this TM 30 online,but still waiting for a response from immigration. 

But please get the immigration website working,so it’s easy and efficient to use. 

I don't know if you are correct about CW immigration in BKK,unless you have heard something lately.There are many reports (including posts here) about CW requiring TM30 when coming back home from another province. CW immigration were the office which started to enforce the TM30 report early this year.

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1 hour ago, Parsve said:

I really not find this about the reason for filling those papers when I go to another province logic. Ihave a friend living about 20 kilometers south of me, but we live in different provinces. So if I stay overnight Both he and me have to report. On the other hand, I have another friend that live about 80 kilometers from me, but in the same province. To his place I can go and stay for a month or more without reporting.  So when IO say that this is for knowing where we are, it is just BS And in the first case mentioned they would neighther know as I have allready moved when they get the documents.  

If you are staying at your friends house or vice versa,why even bother to report it? No one knows about it.

Just don't bother. I don't think Immigration has spies in your neighborhood. 

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1 hour ago, Wongkitlo said:

The humans processing data are part of the system. They receive paper copies of tm30's and someone needs to put the data in the computer. If I go to one immigration and do a tm30 and then the next day go to another immigration to do another when I return home will I get fined because the 1st immigration is taking too long to process the TM30 I submitted. In theory I could tell the 2nd immigration I submitted at the 1st one and unless they physically contact them tjey cannot prove otherwise. As I said in my original post it is too hard for them to keep track of every tourist.

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Why would you submit the first TM30 in the first place? Wherever you go, the place where you're staying are required to submit the TM30,not you,ever. If you are a tourist you are never ever supposed to submit a TM30 anywhere. If you are an expat you might have to submit the TM30 when coming back home from another province. It depends on the Immigration office. Immigration doesn't try to keep track on every tourist, but wants to, for some reason, know where foreigners are. If you are a tourist don't ever think about the TM30. It's not your responsibility.

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