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Right on time: Phuket Immigration explain TM30 and TM28 requirements for reporting foreigners

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2 hours ago, ChipButty said:

If you are following another post where it says the TM 30 is for the landlord you as the tenant TM 28 when you return to base I can imagine lots of the real estate agents having a lot of extra work to do, Im sure they would be liable on behalf of the owner as the would be classed as the possessor 

The estate agents are not required by law to submit the TM30 instead of the owner,unless the owner made an agreement with them on paper. They are just agents. It's possible in several provinces to self report the TM30 as the possessor if the rental contract is in your name. Then you just report yourself,and you will get a receipt which you keep in your passport.

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3 hours ago, thaipod said:

I will fly in next month to visit my wife in BKK for a few of day’s holiday and stay with my wife and need to go out of BKk to visit her father and I will lose a whole day traveling to immigration, waiting all day to process my TM30 and TM28 and then lose another day when I return from her fathers house which this poor old man has to report also. Wow my whole holiday has just been ruined.

Why even bother to submit the report when staying within the family?? Don't bother,there won't be any Immigration spies around. No one knows you're staying there. You think to much about rules and regulations. It would be another story if you stayed in a hotel and then got reported. Then you "might" have to report to your local Immigration when you come back home. 

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we went to Phuket yesterday to pick up some things and stayed overnight due to the heavy rain and too many idiots on the road then returning this morning, as we didnt stay away from our house for 24 hours we should not have to submit either forms going by the law as it is written, guess I will find out next week when I do my 90 day report.

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22 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

Why even bother to submit the report when staying within the family?? Don't bother,there won't be any Immigration spies around. No one knows you're staying there. You think to much about rules and regulations. It would be another story if you stayed in a hotel and then got reported. Then you "might" have to report to your local Immigration when you come back home. 

More than likely no immigration spies.

A few weeks back when an IO came to visit us to confirm our address as part of my Non O marriage extension application, we all ended up going to the Pu-yai Ban's house. The IO just wanted the Pu-yai Ban to confirm he knew me, not a problem.

 

While we were there, the two of them (IO & P-Y B) went off at a tangent about a lot of foreign workers (Burmese) who were around the area.

Now the IO is a nice guy, but very straight regarding regulations. He told the P-Y B matter-of-factly that it was his responsibility to report to immigration any foreigners in his jurisdiction. Even gave the P-Y B his card with his number on it, if he had a queries about anything.

 

So you never know...

 

 

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5 hours ago, Wongkitlo said:

Even staying in hotels is unenforcble. I dont think(hope) they have a central database so a hotel owner will report you to one immigration office (eg Chantaburi) but your local office(eg Chonburi) will not get a report. It is only when you enter the country that it will show on your record.

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If you're staying at a proper hotel in a major city or tourist place,the hotel will report you. Many smaller hotels or guesthouses are not licensed. If the hotel or guesthouse asks for your passport, then they will report you. If not,they have no intention what so ever to report you. Then you never left the last reported address. If you stay in for example Pattaya/Jomtien, and have a reported address, and take a short trip outside Chonburi, you don't need to submit a new TM30 when coming back home. Just do the next 90 days report. Other provinces might not allow this. Some do. 

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14 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

 

More than likely no immigration spies.

A few weeks back when an IO came to visit us to confirm our address as part of my Non O marriage extension application, we all ended up going to the Pu-yai Ban's house. The IO just wanted the Pu-yai Ban to confirm he knew me, not a problem.

 

While we were there, the two of them (IO & P-Y B) went off at a tangent about a lot of foreign workers (Burmese) who were around the area.

Now the IO is a nice guy, but very straight regarding regulations. He told the P-Y B matter-of-factly that it was his responsibility to report to immigration any foreigners in his jurisdiction. Even gave the P-Y B his card with his number on it, if he had a queries about anything.

 

So you never know...

 

 

But in this case it was about a marriage visa,and Immigration officers often visit families to check if everything is ok. They don't just knock on doors out in the sticks and checks out TM30 reports. 

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3 minutes ago, Max69xl said:
21 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

More than likely no immigration spies.

A few weeks back when an IO came to visit us to confirm our address as part of my Non O marriage extension application, we all ended up going to the Pu-yai Ban's house. The IO just wanted the Pu-yai Ban to confirm he knew me, not a problem.

 

While we were there, the two of them (IO & P-Y B) went off at a tangent about a lot of foreign workers (Burmese) who were around the area.

Now the IO is a nice guy, but very straight regarding regulations. He told the P-Y B matter-of-factly that it was his responsibility to report to immigration any foreigners in his jurisdiction. Even gave the P-Y B his card with his number on it, if he had a queries about anything.

 

So you never know...

But in this case it was about a marriage visa,and Immigration officers often visit families to check if everything is ok. They don't just knock on doors out in the sticks and checks out TM30 reports

It was the purpose of the visit, yes.

Read the text above I've now highlighted.

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5 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

It was the purpose of the visit, yes.

Read the text above I've now highlighted.

"A few weeks back when an IO came to visit us to confirm our address as part of my Non O marriage extension application"

 

As part of my Non O marriage extension application.

I repeat,it would never have happened if it wasn't for the marriage visa. 

 

Do you get it? 

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1 hour ago, Max69xl said:

I don't think Immigration has spies in your neighborhood. 

They have been asking the postman where baan farang

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Why would you submit the first TM30 in the first place? Wherever you go, the place where you're staying are required to submit the TM30,not you,ever. If you are a tourist you are never ever supposed to submit a TM30 anywhere. If you are an expat you might have to submit the TM30 when coming back home from another province. It depends on the Immigration office. Immigration doesn't try to keep track on every tourist, but wants to, for some reason, know where foreigners are. If you are a tourist don't ever think about the TM30. It's not your responsibility.
If you read the earlier threads I was talking about flaws in the system. They want to track everyone but it is not feasible.

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3 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

They have been asking the postman where baan farang

Well,there are 77 provinces in a country with about 67 million people,you tell me how often Immigration police checks out TM30 report "violences"? And even if they ask for you, you are allowed to travel within the province. IF, you decided to visit a friend in another province without reporting it, the Immigration police will automatically knock on your door?

Then you are the most unlucky person in Thailand.  

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2 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

"A few weeks back when an IO came to visit us to confirm our address as part of my Non O marriage extension application"

 

As part of my Non O marriage extension application.

I repeat,it would never have happened if it wasn't for the marriage visa. 

 

Do you get it?

You can't repeat it, as you didn't say that in your first reply to my post. You said it was about a 'marriage visa'.

You didn't say 'it wouldn't have happened' if it wasn't for my extension application.

 

Anyway, you seem remarkably well informed about what our P-Y B was already aware of, irrespective of the discussion he had with the IO anyway.

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1 minute ago, Wongkitlo said:

If you read the earlier threads I was talking about flaws in the system. They want to track everyone but it is not feasible.

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They don't want to track everyone,just long stayers incl. people here on business. They don't care about tourists. 

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