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Right on time: Phuket Immigration explain TM30 and TM28 requirements for reporting foreigners

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They don't want to track everyone,just long stayers incl. people here on business. They don't care about tourists. 
Yes. You obviously have not read the other person's posts.He seems to think that immigration has a central database which will be able to keep track of everyone but I do not think that is the case. Every province is independent. I was saying even if they did have a central database it would not work because it would rely on human input. There does seem to be alot of confusion in this thread about whether people need to submit after a short stay in another province,even if less than 24 hours. Naturally anybody posting in this thread would not be a tourist staying in a hotel.

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8 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

You can't repeat it, as you didn't say that in your first reply to my post. You said it was about a 'marriage visa'.

You didn't say 'it wouldn't have happened' if it wasn't for my extension application.

 

Anyway, you seem remarkably well informed about what our P-Y B was already aware of, irrespective of the discussion he had with the IO anyway.

I am just saying that Immigration officers often visit people during marriage visa applications. There are so many fake marriages,and normally Immigration informs you that they might visit you. Sometimes they even talk to neighbours to check out if the marriage is kosher. I have been here a long time and have married friends, so, yes, I think I know how it works in Thailand, and in some provinces they are a bit more relaxed,in others not. Go figure. 

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1 hour ago, Wongkitlo said:

Yes. You obviously have not read the other person's posts.He seems to think that immigration has a central database which will be able to keep track of everyone but I do not think that is the case. Every province is independent. I was saying even if they did have a central database it would not work because it would rely on human input. There does seem to be alot of confusion in this thread about whether people need to submit after a short stay in another province,even if less than 24 hours. Naturally anybody posting in this thread would not be a tourist staying in a hotel.

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As far as I know it is a central data base ... when I input our guests details for TM30 it's a central website. 

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Please clarify for me I thought a TM 28 was only needed when you moved your permanent residence now it seems to be that its required even when returning to your residence from a trip to another province? Confused!!!

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1 minute ago, LivinginKata said:

 

As far as I know it is a central data base ... when I input our guests details for TM30 it's a central website. 

Didn't I read a post on TV somewhere in the past few days about someone saying he went into immigration for something, and they picked up on the fact he hadn't re-registered his TM 30 with them after he had been away for a few days?

IIRC, he said the IO turned the screen around to show him two hotels in other provinces which had registered him staying there.

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4 minutes ago, bt2017 said:

Please clarify for me I thought a TM 28 was only needed when you moved your permanent residence now it seems to be that its required even when returning to your residence from a trip to another province? Confused!!!

Must be when there's an 'r' in the month.

That happened to me at Udon immigration last year, after returning from Laos, and after staying in a couple of guest houses which didn't ask for any personal details.

Being untrusting, I took a completed TM28 and TM30 with me just in case. On that particular day the IO looked at my TM30 and said I needed to come back with a TM28 - as well. I took it out of my folder and he processed them both, seeming surprised I had all the paperwork.

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20 minutes ago, LivinginKata said:

 

As far as I know it is a central data base ... when I input our guests details for TM30 it's a central website. 

If it wasn't a central data base,how would Immigration in a province be able to see an expat being reported staying in a hotel in lets say BKK? 

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19 minutes ago, bt2017 said:

Please clarify for me I thought a TM 28 was only needed when you moved your permanent residence now it seems to be that its required even when returning to your residence from a trip to another province? Confused!!!

That's what I have been told about how to use the TM28. Only when moving permanently from one province to another, and also submit the TM30 in the new local Immigration office.

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If it wasn't a central data base,how would Immigration in a province be able to see an expat being reported staying in a hotel in lets say BKK? 
That is what I am trying to work out. Do they actually know nationwide or when people report or are reported is it just for that province? I know last year theTM30 desk did not have a computer and there seemed a consensus on TV that there was no linked database. When I went last month she did have a computer but don't know how much info she had?

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11 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

Must be when there's an 'r' in the month.

That happened to me at Udon immigration last year, after returning from Laos, and after staying in a couple of guest houses which didn't ask for any personal details.

Being untrusting, I took a completed TM28 and TM30 with me just in case. On that particular day the IO looked at my TM30 and said I needed to come back with a TM28 - as well. I took it out of my folder and he processed them both, seeming surprised I had all the paperwork.

Immigration offices in some provinces doesn't have a clue. Coming back from Laos to same address in Thailand isn't a "Change of Address" in my book. That's what the TM28 is for. In Chonburi you'll only have to submit the TM30.

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1 minute ago, Wongkitlo said:

That is what I am trying to work out. Do they actually know nationwide or when people report or are reported is it just for that province? I know last year theTM30 desk did not have a computer and there seemed a consensus on TV that there was no linked database. When I went last month she did have a computer but don't know how much info she had?

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Where are you staying? In my local Immigration office they have had computers for TM30 for years. Of course there's a central database.

And the 90 days report desk has the same info. 

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40 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

Didn't I read a post on TV somewhere in the past few days about someone saying he went into immigration for something, and they picked up on the fact he hadn't re-registered his TM 30 with them after he had been away for a few days?

IIRC, he said the IO turned the screen around to show him two hotels in other provinces which had registered him staying there.

That's the way it's supposed to work. Otherwise the TM30 reporting would be useless. That's why you shouldn't be able to do a 90 days report if the last reported address doesn't match with your address. That's what the 90 days report is all about. 

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16 minutes ago, Wongkitlo said:

That is what I am trying to work out. Do they actually know nationwide or when people report or are reported is it just for that province? I know last year theTM30 desk did not have a computer and there seemed a consensus on TV that there was no linked database. When I went last month she did have a computer but don't know how much info she had?

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Good point .... the Thai Immigration software system was down for about 6 months duration about 18 months ago. We could not enter guest information during that time. 

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23 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

Immigration offices in some provinces doesn't have a clue. Coming back from Laos to same address in Thailand isn't a "Change of Address" in my book. That's what the TM28 is for. In Chonburi you'll only have to submit the TM30.

I agree that's what the TM 28 says it's for. I just find it safer to believe no one in immigration and take as much paperwork as I possibly can to avoid a wasted trip.

I posted on another topic that two IO's in the same immigration office gave three different answers to one question on two separate days.

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