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3 hours ago, seajae said:

we went to Phuket yesterday to pick up some things and stayed overnight due to the heavy rain and too many idiots on the road then returning this morning, as we didnt stay away from our house for 24 hours we should not have to submit either forms going by the law as it is written, guess I will find out next week when I do my 90 day report.

If the place you stayed at asked for your passport, they probably reported you. If they did and your local Immigration office has the last address in the database, good luck trying to convince them that you didn't go away for >24 hours. But,as you say,you will find out next week.

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25 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

I agree that's what the TM 28 says it's for. I just find it safer to believe no one in immigration and take as much paperwork as I possibly can to avoid a wasted trip.

I posted on another topic that two IO's in the same immigration office gave three different answers to one question on two separate days.

They probably didn't attend same 1 day workshop. 🙄

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1 hour ago, Max69xl said:

If the place you stayed at asked for your passport, they probably reported you. If they did and your local Immigration office has the last address in the database, good luck trying to convince them that you didn't go away for >24 hours. But,as you say,you will find out next week.

I have to go twice to Bangkok and each time stay for just one night to get a passport renewed, unless I use a "dodgy" service. So I started enquiring about the need for TM30s because I don't like to keep hassling my landlord. This was before this recent TM28 issue began.

 

A friend of mine told me he showed only his Thai driving license when booking into a Bangkok hotel, because then they don't report him as staying there. He said when he returned to his province the IO showed him his information on the computer screen and there was no report from the hotel.

 

So recently I asked a "Foreign Volunteer" at Phuket Immigration about making a TM30 report after a one-night trip to Bangkok. I was told that you can stay in a hotel overnight and show them your Thai driving license instead of your passport. Then they "don't report you". This is the "Smart way", I was told.

 

So even though I didn't mention showing the driving license as ID, the volunteer confirmed what my friend had told me.

 

But I don't see why the hotel can't report you because your driving license has your passport number on it. But it doesn't have your Immigration number on it - the 8 digit number on the TM30 "Receipt of Notification" in your passport that starts with your postcode's first two digits, then the letter "B", then 5 numbers. So maybe the hotel uses that number to report you.

 

So I may now have blown wide open this method of avoiding being reported by a hotel as I am sure there are Immigration personnel reading Thaivisa. But I don't care - you have to break eggs to make an omelette - the "omelette" in this case being a reporting system that is clear, easy and sensible.

 

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6 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

I have to go twice to Bangkok and each time stay for just one night to get a passport renewed, unless I use a "dodgy" service. So I started enquiring about the need for TM30s because I don't like to keep hassling my landlord. This was before this recent TM28 issue began.

 

A friend of mine told me he showed only his Thai driving license when booking into a Bangkok hotel, because then they don't report him as staying there. He said when he returned to his province the IO showed him his information on the computer screen and there was no report from the hotel.

 

So recently I asked a "Foreign Volunteer" at Phuket Immigration about making a TM30 report after a one-night trip to Bangkok. I was told that you can stay in a hotel overnight and show them your Thai driving license instead of your passport. Then they "don't report you". This is the "Smart way", I was told.

 

So even though I didn't mention showing the driving license as ID, the volunteer confirmed what my friend had told me.

 

But I don't see why the hotel can't report you because your driving license has your passport number on it. But it doesn't have your Immigration number on it - the 8 digit number on the TM30 "Receipt of Notification" in your passport that starts with your postcode's first two digits, then the letter "B", then 5 numbers. So maybe the hotel uses that number to report you.

 

So I may now have blown wide open this method of avoiding being reported by a hotel as I am sure there are Immigration personnel reading Thaivisa. But I don't care - you have to break eggs to make an omelette - the "omelette" in this case being a reporting system that is clear, easy and sensible.

 

The volunteer are not allowed to tell you to use the drivers license.

It's against the law not reporting you and using the drivers license when checking in, is not allowed.

Probably they are not licensed or just lazy. The reason for asking for the passport is that they need name, nationality,passport number and the TM6-card number,maybe even entry stamp date to fill in the TM30 form. That's why they normally takes a few copies. This is just an explanation how the hotels/guesthouses are supposed to do it. I don't personally care a bit if they don't report me, and there are many small nice hotels and guesthouses all over Thailand that never report foreigners. But they have to do it by law. If you're staying at proper hotels and licensed guesthouses they will ask for your passport,and they will submit the TM30 report. 

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4 hours ago, Wongkitlo said:

Yes. You obviously have not read the other person's posts.He seems to think that immigration has a central database which will be able to keep track of everyone but I do not think that is the case. Every province is independent. I was saying even if they did have a central database it would not work because it would rely on human input. There does seem to be alot of confusion in this thread about whether people need to submit after a short stay in another province,even if less than 24 hours. Naturally anybody posting in this thread would not be a tourist staying in a hotel.

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Of course they have a central database. That's the whole idea. How do you think the local Immigration office in a province would know that someone has been staying in a BKK hotel? When I say they don't care about tracking tourists,I mean it's impossible because of the many hotels and guesthouses which are not submitting the TM30. But tourists normally leaves Thailand before the visa expires,so they know they have left when they go through Immigration at the airport. That's why you return the TM6-card to the IO,and he scans your passport. 

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52 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

Probably they are not licensed or just lazy.

if, by "they", you mean the hotel, it is a four star hotel in Sukhumvit area. Sorry, no numbers, no names. 

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26 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

if, by "they", you mean the hotel, it is a four star hotel in Sukhumvit area. Sorry, no numbers, no names. 

In that case a 4 thai star hotel. Not same rating system here as they use in international hotel chains. They rate themselves. It's not very often you find a "proper" hotel in Sukhumvith area who accepts a drivers license and not submit the TM30. But there are loads of hotels in that area, so anything can happen. 

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This fiasco just keeps getting worse and worse. "Oh don't worry about the TM30 you won't be punished, but by the way YOU have to file the TM 28 every time you come back from abroad or another province."

Thailand has become a sick joke. Can't wait to leave this joke of a country...  a few more months. 

 

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I think the point is that the foreign have to fill in TM28 in case the owner will not deposit the TM30 by 24 hour in order to declare the address. After that all the problems and the fine will be on the owner.

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On 8/31/2019 at 11:59 AM, BigBadGeordie said:

So as I understand this, I did a 90 day report yesterday (TM47), and I have gone to stay at my friends for the weekend I have to complete a TM28 and my friend has to complete a TM30 within 24 hours. 

On returning home on Monday I have to complete another TM28 and my wife has to complete another TM30 within 24 hours to say I have returned?

 

Madness!!

yes sure this is another rule there have no point 

but i dont understand why the goverment think all the landlords need to do there job for free and even get a fine if they dont

nothing is free here not even to own a hotel

they must pay an amount for every single report

a hotel from 30 rooms up need to hire a person to do this job 

why the think free it does not help others anything only work why should that be free

or if free the immigration officers must conduct the work for the government ,they pay them salary how they do up to them

but dont ask working people to do it and for free.

as for the tourist they are acutely geast here invited by the government on the behalf of the thais 

its the same as you going to a restaurant and before you finished your meal you have to fill out a form where you stay and so on.

who like that this is about respect which they are rather harsh on when inflict others but when its within it seams not to matter equally 

reremind of the sim card registration it is with no point it have not help as "intended" like tm30 never will pure dictatorship 

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On 8/31/2019 at 6:02 AM, ThaiBunny said:

You're living in a xenophobic, authoritarian country. That's the reality

Am I bovvered? Does it affect me? No. That's the reality.

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10 hours ago, aledale said:

I think the point is that the foreign have to fill in TM28 in case the owner will not deposit the TM30 by 24 hour in order to declare the address. After that all the problems and the fine will be on the owner.

Even if this works in Phuket,it will never work in others provinces. They will still always demand a TM30 to be reported by "someone".

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Of course they have a central database. That's the whole idea. How do you think the local Immigration office in a province would know that someone has been staying in a BKK hotel? When I say they don't care about tracking tourists,I mean it's impossible because of the many hotels and guesthouses which are not submitting the TM30. But tourists normally leaves Thailand before the visa expires,so they know they have left when they go through Immigration at the airport. That's why you return the TM6-card to the IO,and he scans your passport. 
Went today to Chonburi for tm30. On serial tourist visas. One trip to Bangkok, one to Trat. Asked each time if they reported to immigration. Back from border run. In and out in 5 minutes. No fine. Either they don't know or they don't care.

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7 minutes ago, Wongkitlo said:

Went today to Chonburi for tm30. On serial tourist visas. One trip to Bangkok, one to Trat. Asked each time if they reported to immigration. Back from border run. In and out in 5 minutes. No fine. Either they don't know or they don't care.

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Jomtien Immigration does not require a new TM30 report if, let's say an expat goes somewhere within in Thailand,and comes back to the same address. He just does his next 90 days report as usual. Jomtien Immigration do understand the problems with TM30 reporting for expats. But, if a Pattaya-expat leaves the country on a re-entry permit,then he is supposed to submit the TM30 at Jomtien Immigration when he comes back. That's because he now has a new Departure Card = TM6 with a new number. The old number is connected to the latest TM30 report. If Immigration police were smarter, the IO behind the TM30-desk or the IO behind the 90 days report desk could just change TM6-card number and entry date in the computer. So easy, really. 

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On 8/31/2019 at 12:52 PM, billsmart said:

You need to limit your friends to those who live within your own province... 😉

Or don't say anything. Unless you stay in a hotel they'll never know

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