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I am happy that I did nor open this can of worms...after 16 days in Thailand and Vietnam I can say that longterm stay in Thailand defo NOT is easy...for sure (like in my case) if you do NOT have a Thai partner. I met to understand that a Longterm (1 year) Viet visum (ME) can simply be bought for 550 USD...!! Yes thats right....

 

I found Vietnam surprisingly open end friendly...less scams too...and way cheaper as Thailand...allthough I must say WHY O why they do have such hard matresses in Vietnam...we were in 3 different places...and in al 3 hotels very hard matrases:-(...NOT good...a real attack on my back:-( Andf NO they were NOT low budget hotels...for anyone who might think that.

 

Other negative thing was the horrible traffic in Saigon...but then again...is this so much better in BKK??? I doubt it. Thats why i dont like to stay long time in large cities...too much raffic...too much smog:-(

I rented a motobike in Vietnam for 4 days...and had much fun...didnt see any police at all..!! Great way to discover Vung Tau.

 

If I read the Thai visa forum threads regarding longterm visa it makes me wonder WHY people even want to stay in a country were they (obvioulsly) make visa rules realy hard. NO offence.....but it sets me off....it gives a very negative vibe towards forreigners imho.

 

Then again..I for my part have an easy talking as I am not aligned with a Thai lady....

 

OO btw...i found out there are DIRECT flights from HUa Hin Airport to Malaysia (KL)...cost about 120 euros (back and forth)...realy cheapo..!! Take about 1.5 hours. Will try that sometime in future. Now I know why i saw many Malaysian people in Hua Hin. 

 

All in all Thailand still is a realy beautiful country...with lovely food and great looking ladies.....but if i were to stay there longterm..I surely would retink again.

 

cheers...and take care all.

 

Hans (back in grey boring Germany:-(

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53 minutes ago, Puchaiyank said:

Severe beatings by Thai teachers are in the news often...girls are not spared excessive even criminal punishment...not making this stuff up!  Sorry you choose to defend Thai aggressive behavior.... 

Have you actually seen this? Yes, I suppose there is the odd case. but in teaching both in Prathom and Mattyum classes, I found the teachers very caring towards the students, especially in the Prathom classes.

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16 hours ago, grollies said:

Obviously my extremely poor attempt at irony was missed by you and a few others.................😕

Yeah well OK, It's just retiring here takes some time to see whether or not you like the place or not, if the OP listens to the likes of the bar stall expats community well he better look elsewhere.

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4 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Yeah well OK, It's just retiring here takes some time to see whether or not you like the place or not, if the OP listens to the likes of the bar stall expats community well he better look elsewhere.

Well, objectively the retirement visa rules have gotten more onerous in the last year or so, especially for those from the "unlucky" nationalities that were cut off from income letters. Plus the TM30 fiasco, etc. Strengthened baht. The trend is not good. I see nothing wrong at all and actually a lot right for potential future expats to be warned of negative changes and trends. Thailand isn't the only choice. 

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10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Well, objectively the retirement visa rules have gotten more onerous in the last year or so, especially for those from the "unlucky" nationalities that were cut off from income letters. Plus the TM30 fiasco, etc. Strengthened baht. The trend is not good. I see nothing wrong at all and actually a lot right for potential future expats to be warned of negative changes and trends. Thailand isn't the only choice. 

I concur about some regs but selfishly there not a problem to the likes of me I would still retire here, I was not referring to costs and exchange rates I referring to Thai government is hostile towards western falangs is something I don't believe.

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On 9/10/2019 at 6:31 AM, grollies said:

What's your problem? The OP has raised a very important subject here, given the current percieved attitude of Thai Immigration, government and the local populus at large towards western expats. Its about time someone had the balls to start a discussion on this topic on an open forum such as Thai Visa.

the local populous where I live seems perfectly happy with us. What are you doing to alienate your locals?

 

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On ‎9‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 2:25 PM, Vacuum said:

A white dude.

I think you missed the sarcasm.

A "farang" is a white westerner, so no need to include "westerner" when mentioning "farang".

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Whether Thailand welcome Farang is a silly question. Do USA or Britain welcome foreigners coming to live in their countries? Is also a silly question. I have met people from middle east countries who adapt very very well in Britiain and USA. When I talked to them I know they are different from the others Arabs. First they speak English without heavy accent and good , very good English. They adopt the manners and culture of western countries that endear them to natives of their adopted countries..

  If you wish to reside in Thailand on long term basis it would be good if you start learning the language both spoken and written. Probably take you 3 years to be good if you spend enough time on learning.

  If you don't expect Thais to speak English you are in the right frame of mind to start learning Thai language. Why should Thais learn English? Do Thais in Britain expect the British to speak Thai? If not why not? Since Thais are expected to speak English in Thailand.

  I heard so often that even if you speak perfect Thais they will never accept you in their society. This is another nonsense. Why would you want to be accepted in their society? You don't need to be accepted in their society. Do the British accept Thais living for 40 years in London in their society? I don't think so. You can be just as happy even if you were not accepted in their society. It's foolish to think otherwise.

   If you mix with expats who spend their time complaining you are in the wrong company. Sitting in bars complaining of life in Thailand doesn't make life more interesting for you. No, life will not dull if you can talk to Thais in their language. If you have the kind heart to help them in whatever ways possible. Simple things like helping to build a sewage system, a water tank installation. All done in good faith will give you happiness.

   I guess it would be a good idea during the winter months to go live in Thailand and the rest of the time you work in your country- that is if you are doing your own work or business. Do not retire unless you have health problems, retirement will kill you.

 

  

   

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Whether Thailand welcome Farang is a silly question. Do USA or Britain welcome foreigners coming to live in their countries? Is also a silly question. I have met people from middle east countries who adapt very very well in Britiain and USA. When I talked to them I know they are different from the others Arabs. First they speak English without heavy accent and good , very good English. They adopt the manners and culture of western countries that endear them to natives of their adopted countries..
  If you wish to reside in Thailand on long term basis it would be good if you start learning the language both spoken and written. Probably take you 3 years to be good if you spend enough time on learning.
  If you don't expect Thais to speak English you are in the right frame of mind to start learning Thai language. Why should Thais learn English? Do Thais in Britain expect the British to speak Thai? If not why not? Since Thais are expected to speak English in Thailand.
  I heard so often that even if you speak perfect Thais they will never accept you in their society. This is another nonsense. Why would you want to be accepted in their society? You don't need to be accepted in their society. Do the British accept Thais living for 40 years in London in their society? I don't think so. You can be just as happy even if you were not accepted in their society. It's foolish to think otherwise.
   If you mix with expats who spend their time complaining you are in the wrong company. Sitting in bars complaining of life in Thailand doesn't make life more interesting for you. No, life will not dull if you can talk to Thais in their language. If you have the kind heart to help them in whatever ways possible. Simple things like helping to build a sewage system, a water tank installation. All done in good faith will give you happiness.
   I guess it would be a good idea during the winter months to go live in Thailand and the rest of the time you work in your country- that is if you are doing your own work or business. Do not retire unless you have health problems, retirement will kill you.
 
  
   
You're confusing expats with immigrants. Being on non immigrant status even for 40 years doesn't make you an immigrant.

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1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

You're confusing expats with immigrants. Being on non immigrant status even for 40 years doesn't make you an immigrant.

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I supposed the question is on key word "welcome" whether you are expat or immigrant doesn't really matter.

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On 9/10/2019 at 6:48 PM, scorecard said:

Example a couple of months back at MAKRO on the Superhighway in Chiang Mai. Two 50+ yr old Aussie guys both well overweight in very worn tight football shorts, no tops at all, both wearing dirty thongs, both had obvious loud bar girls in tow, loud and with minimum of clothing. All 4 yelling at each other and asking staff for many OZ grocery items (e.g. large four n twenty meat pies) which were not in stock. One guy deliberately frightening little kids. Both guys claiming that alcohol purchase restriction times didn't apply to them because 'we don't have that law in Australia'. Both yelling 'bring the manager' which was ignored.

Perhaps they were diplomats from the embassy doing a bit of shopping.

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1 minute ago, kingdong said:

Perhaps they were diplomats from the embassy doing a bit of shopping.

Sort of doubt that but I can tell you 20 years ago I regularly attended the regular meetings of the German and the US Chambers of commerce in BANgkok, they were both well planned, interesting and valuable agendas and speakers and planned value added networking, and very inexpensive. I also attended the monthly Australian Chamber of Commerce meetings, very little value, lots of booze, every little structured planning, in the booze up was the feature. 

 

 

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