How is life for 3 ex-Expats who have returned to UK?

[BritManToo]

On 9/12/2019 at 10:58 AM, fhickson said:

that's why most come here initially. the novelty soon wears off.

If by 'soon' you mean ten years, I'd agree with you.

Many of us came here with thirty plus years of desperation & frustration to overcome.

[StevieAus]

On 9/11/2019 at 2:56 PM, Scot123 said:

I returned to the UK 5 months ago with my family after living in Thailand for 9 years. We are all loving being back. We could have remained in Thailand as had enough of an income however the decision to move back was mostly due to immigration attitude and uncertainty what tomorrow might bring (having 6 police vehicles turn up at my house full of police did not help). Last October I started comparing prices and found UK was far cheaper for us. I hated driving in Thailand and now am enjoying driving. The quality of the food is far better here and I do not need to worry about slowly being poisoned and I'm even eating fish here. Utility bills were worrying me but at the moment I'm only paying £50 a month. I don't drive a 3lt suv so my costs are half what I was paying. So happy to be home. Obviously we miss friends and the sun but we have had far more barbecues here than in Thai (dengue twice kind of makes you think twice). Love Thailand shame what they have done to her since 2006. We will go there for holidays only. Oh clothes are cheaper here than Thailand it's unbelievable. 

I suspect however that you will need to buy and wear more clothes than you do in Thailand.

[sanemax]

12 hours ago, BobBKK said:

You think most people do not come for the girls (or boys)?  seriously?  all those old farangs with their young 'new loves'? let alone the ones who 'scatter the seed'?  you are entitled to your opinion, of course, but this bucket does not hold water.

Do you  live in Pattaya ?

100 of people going to Pattaya , go there for prostitution , the people that go to other places are not going there for prostitution , some may indulge occasionally .

  The pick-up bars are empty in most places in Thailand and its quite rare these days to see an ex-pat walking around with a bar-girl on his arm .

  It was quite different 10 years ago though , 30 years ago , the sex-pats were the majority, not these days though

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

If by 'soon' you mean ten years, I'd agree with you.

Many of us came here with thirty plus years of desperation & frustration to overcome.

I don't know whether to use the "like" or "sad" icon, so I'll refrain. A lot of truth in the second sentence.

[BritManToo]

Seems like all the returnees have 'magic housing'.

After I'd rented a caravan, I'd have no money in the UK left to live on, the food would have to be cheap, if not free.

[shy coconut]

On 9/11/2019 at 5:36 AM, WhatupThailand said:

Maybe you should have gone back as an Illegal immigrant, that way you would get free house,

big government check monthly, and a free pass for anything else you need.

BUT you have to have a beard.....

Do you have any solid facts and figures to back that up?

 

Illegal immigrants get nothing of the sort from any government agencies unless they

make e fraudulent claim, most illegal immigrants keep under the radar and if they did 

go cap in hand to the government they would most likely be deported.

 

I believe you may well mean asylum seekers which is a lot different. Most of these have

experienced far more horror than you could imagine, and are deserving of help.

 

I'm sure your post will get far more likes than mine, and this will draw plenty of 

derision from the usual suspects, but I don't really care ????

[shy coconut]

On 9/11/2019 at 11:44 AM, cyril sneer said:

 

not for me thanks

If you attended church a little more often, then maybe they wouldn't shut them down.

 

Do you have any idea what a Sharia council is and what they do? I'll give you a clue, they 

don't authorise hand amputations or stoning, they largely deal with domestic issues within

a Muslim community.

 

They hold no power of law and are largely seen as a positive agency by the police and

mainstream council as a way of bridging cultural divides.

 

 

[sanemax]

On 9/12/2019 at 5:56 PM, johnnybgood said:

I'm currently lining up my UK ducks after yonks in LOS
here's a coffee break scrible.

 

friends with provenance
common sense everywhere
sunny/rainy/breezy
weather is fresh 
negligible pollution 
windows open
fewer insects
service people/staff are keen
local government have civility &
know what they are doing
bus pass/library /eye tests etc.etc    free or discounted to pensioners 
choice of public transport everywhere with helpful employees
no mass of mopeds everywhere in the city
pedestrian areas 
parks
leisure walks 
beach walks with   
absolutely minimal plastic washed up
pavements clean
controlled dogs
live football timing agrees with my bodyclock
long evenings + early mornings
bookies everywhere
lots of gamblers
sweet fresh water from the tap
real newspapers
carpets and wooden floors 
reading sunday paper on the carpet
no more infantile chat  
use my own accent 
my local area I always meet an old harigold
conversation with people you don't know comes naturally
most people take care of their reputation as they 
have friends and family to answer to
no smoking means.... 
red light means.... 
parking ticket means.........
not so many smiles  ....but they're genuine
our police really are wonderful no bribery required
police do know the difference between good and bad people
UK barmaids doing their job without tips  
shops and businesses are open AM
people that can walk and chew gum at the same time
coffee bars open early AM
great diverse selection of beer 
great pints at normal prices (witherspoons 74baht for a real ale)
natural blondes
yoga pants 
too much much makeup
fat asses 
bad teeth
good banter/patter
many people on disability
lots of blokes with NHS walking sticks 
haircuts expensive but you still get asked about your holidays
having to do my own manicure/pedicure
things just appear to make sense. 
home is where you want it to be.
I'm looking forward to my retirement there.
 

Buying things like cheese ,pickled onions , peas carrots , liquorice allsorts , HP sauce etc are NOT luxury items and are a 1/4 the price of Thai supermarkets

[UncleFesterNightmare]

On 9/11/2019 at 11:36 AM, WhatupThailand said:

Maybe you should have gone back as an Illegal immigrant, that way you would get free house,

big government check monthly, and a free pass for anything else you need.

BUT you have to have a beard.....

And several wives.

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, Victornoir said:

Consumer Prices in United Kingdom are 28.17% higher than in Thailand
Consumer Prices Including Rent in United Kingdom are 36.85% higher than in Thailand
Rent Prices in United Kingdom are 64.37% higher than in Thailand
Restaurant Prices in United Kingdom are 179.60% higher than in Thailand
Groceries Prices in United Kingdom are 1.30% lower than in Thailand

Has anyone that moved back mentioned housing costs?

I'm paying 10,900bht a month for my 3 bedroom house in Chiang Mai, if I could rent a house for 36% more (inc council tax) in Surrey or Sussex, I'd go back in a flash.

 

Looking on Rightmove for Worthing, I'd be paying 1,200 pounds (+ tax) for semi-detached or terraced compared to my current 300 pounds for detached which is 300% more (not 36%).

[madmen]

On 9/11/2019 at 5:36 AM, Mike Teavee said:

I suspect you're comparing apples to oranges when it comes to quality,

 

 

How much in LOS for a genuine pair of Armani jeans (£100 in UK) or a Jack Jones T-Shirt (picked them up for as little as £5 / < 200 THB in end of season (winter) sales, doesn't matter to me it's 28-34 all year round here so I try to buy my T-Shirts on winter trips to the UK).

 

Even getting stuff tailored made is no cheaper in Thailand anymore, a (genuine) Hugo Boss suit tailor fitted (OK, not quite tailored made but same-same) in the UK £350, Tailor made suit in Bangkok using the best quality material they had 13,500 THB (£360) - The Boss suit is head & shoulders better quality & a better fit (better cloth = a better drop). 

 

Oh and the quality of M&S suits for the price is outstanding (wore them for years when I worked in the UK & they lasted for years) 

 

Thailand is cheaper if you're buying replicas/imitation.no-brand "Wear it a few times then throw away" stuff, but I doubt any cheaper than the stuff you can get in Primark (I wouldn't know, have never shopped there), but is much more expensive for quality branded stuff that's going to last you for years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

True. Also 100 % cotton here in street stalls =80 % polyester 20% cotton

Towels and bed linen are double the price compared to oz pricing

[JAFO]

While this thread has headed off course like most do, the OP was an interesting read. Moving back because you have to is likely not enjoyable versus moving back on your own terms. I completely understand the children education aspect of expats that return back in hopes of offering a better educational path for their children. 

 

The challenge with these threads are due to why we are all here. Clearly different reasons and why one came are not going to be the same as others. 

 

For me, I think moving back to the states would be very challenging just based on the fact that I can be retired here comfortably where back in the states I'd have to be gainfully employed just to support basic housing costs. My wife would also have to go back to work because being retired here is far different then being retired in the states and she would lose her mind sitting in a small neighborhood with no land.

 

We do not have children and will not so we are not saddled with that decision of stay or go for them. While many have posted costs comparing various places, the bottom-line is where are you happy? I find that so many dive deep into a few issues and blow them far out of control but I respect that what I find noise others will find it to be a total deal breaker. 

 

All I can say is while I visit the states once a year with my wife for a month or so, I have no desire to ever return. Sure some things are cheaper and better in the states but those usually come with other more significant costs. My wife and I have a nice home (owned and no property tax) in a nice area up northern Thailand, the few immigration changes are noise and in all my years here I have never had an issue with people or police. I have been living here in in both a retired state and employed state and both have been very enjoyable. 

 

Again this all boils down to what one wants to fixate on. The half glass full/empty point of view. You make it what it is. I know all the working expats that I associate with love living here. 

[madmen]

I think the number 1 reason is if your run over by a bus or trampled by a buffalo you won't be thrown into the back of pick up and then delayed surgery while the hospital tries to find out if your insured

 

I'm guessing probably 50% of expats have no insurance based on people I know . I'm heading back to oz in a few weeks for a 12 month stay while on wait list for a hip replacement and plenty of time to weigh up my long term options

[watcharacters]

On 9/11/2019 at 10:03 AM, BobBKK said:

No one misses the girls? wow! that's the main reason most come here but I guess most have taken there's back with them (good luck with that!).

 

Matt: “I miss the sun, the bars, beaches and markets.”

 

 

On 9/11/2019 at 3:18 PM, BritManToo said:

I'm hoping to avoid that by being dead before I run out of money.

 

THat's pretty much a fail safe plan.

[rickudon]

4 hours ago, Victornoir said:

Sorry for you Britman. 

Consumer Prices in Surrey are 56.03% higher than in Chiang Mai

Consumer Prices Including Rent in Surrey are 88.67% higher than in Chiang Mai

Rent Prices in Surrey are 213.31% higher than in Chiang Mai

Restaurant Prices in Surrey are 270.97% higher than in Chiang Mai

Groceries Prices in Surrey are 4.48% lower than in Chiang Mai

Same problem for me. When back in the UK I stay with my brother in Surrey. Renting is out of the question, A one bedroom flat would be around 800+ GBP per month (about 30,000 baht), which is 10 times my Thai mortgage. Consumer prices - well, that includes a lot of <deleted> you do not actually need. I only eat out about twice a month in the UK. Yes, I spend less on Groceries in the UK. NHS is free. Have free bus pass.

 

I would return to UK like a shot, IF -

 

I had somewhere to live, that was affordable, nice location and permanent.

 

I could take my wife and daughter with me (the current immigration requirements would make this unlikely, and at a significant cost, which is not returned if denied.)

 

Apart from accommodation costs, I would have enough to support my family. I expect my overall expenditure would be similar to Thailand (not counting accommodation). It is just possible that I could afford to rent somewhere way up North, like Carlisle or Sunderland. But that is a long way from any relatives.

 

In Thailand, government attitudes towards foreigners living here and health costs (which go up exponentially as you get older) make for an uncertain future. If those 2 things were resolved, I would be content to stay in Thailand. But I have seen 4 changes over the past 6 years which have impacted how I meet Thai immigration requirements. Up to now, I have been able to change my visa or choose a different way to meet changed financial rules, but you wonder - what next?

[simon43]

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Has anyone that moved back mentioned housing costs?

I'm paying 10,900bht a month for my 3 bedroom house in Chiang Mai, if I could rent a house for 36% more (inc council tax) in Surrey or Sussex, I'd go back in a flash.

 

Looking on Rightmove for Worthing, I'd be paying 1,200 pounds (+ tax) for semi-detached or terraced compared to my current 300 pounds for detached which is 300% more (not 36%).

I took a quick look on rightmove for renting a simple, character house (ie not a concrete shed) anywhere in the UK for 500 pounds.  Seems almost all the results were just for sharing a house with others....

 

I think I'll stay in my $500 character hardwood house in old Luang Prabang....

[moe666]

I am reminded of a guy I worked with years ago, we worked rotating shifts in a steam plant each shift was seven days long. Tom had a real problem with the midnight shift as he put it to me one night this is like working twenty eight days. Iask how is that Tom, I get off work at seven thirty go home and drink a pot of coffee and smoke a few cigges. I then law down and sleep two hours and repeat, I do this four times a day seven times four is tewnty eight. I goto sleep and wake up four times a day that is twenty eight days. I asked every thought about cutting back on the coffee and cigges before sleeping, he says nah that is my life. I never had another conversation with him again I figured if he could not see the problem I wasn't going to waste my time listening to him complain. Just reminds me of a few people here always complaining but never seeing what the real problem happens to be

[BritManToo]

55 minutes ago, moe666 said:

Just reminds me of a few people here always complaining but never seeing what the real problem happens to be

The real problem I have ......... with living in the UK.

My parents died 40 years ago, so I can't live with them.

I'm an only child so I can't bludge off a sibling.

My former Brit wife got my house in the divorce.

My pension isn't enough for anything apart from a room in a shared house.

 

I could afford to live in rural France, but Brexit has buggered that idea.

[yogi100]

On 9/11/2019 at 9:16 PM, roo860 said:

I was replying to a poster who said to come to the UK as an illegal immigrant, because you get a free house, money from the government, a free pass for everything you need. I asked for evidence of this. Sent from my SM-G920F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Local authority (council) housing estates are numerous all over the cities of the UK especially in London. 

 

Visit any one of them and count the indigenous occupants.

 

Grenfell Tower was a huge block of flats run by a local council. Few of the 'tenants' worked but lived off the welfare system.

 

London high streets are thronging with people in the daytime who are obviously not British. Ask can yourself why they're not working and where does their money come from.

 

The evidence you requested is available but it will require your getting off your backside to go and see for yourself. It's visible proof not merely evidence.

 

The liberal media won't help with your inquiries because such information is hardly conducive to their multicultural agenda.

 

Any referrals to this state of affairs are always met with accusations of racism and bigotry. However such accusations do not make it any less truthful.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[yogi100]

On 9/12/2019 at 2:22 AM, rtco said:

Don't get me on the subject of those useless idiots at ASIC

What is GFC and ASIC?

[rtco]

9 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

What is GFC and ASIC?

Not sure about GFC but ASIC are the Australian Regulatory body ... https://asic.gov.au/

[Mike Teavee]

42 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

What is GFC and ASIC?

Global Financial Crisis & Australian Securities & Investments Commission 

[ivor bigun]

Where's your home town? I replied to a poster who said illegal immigrants get a house, they actually don't.

Sent from my SM-G920F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

Sorry i was not talking about illegals,but in my old town i knew of 2 people of a certain faith one had 3 "wives" one lived with him and his 3 kids in social housing both the other "wives" had socila housing and kids,no one worked all on social and the other was in the same position ,so 5 social houses occupied by immigrants all claiming.how many more ?

Sent from my SM-A720F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

[Old Croc]

Same old story from returning expats.

Of course they're going to say how much better their life is now they're  back in the old country.  Lose of face is not confined to Thais.

Of course many things will be cheaper there, and a lot of other things refreshingly normal and efficient. Just like they were decades ago when exotic Asia and it's laid back lifestyle sent out a siren call, and you answered.

The basics haven't changed, overall it is still substantially cheaper to live in Thailand than a western country. Do a complete COL assessment, not just pick and choose a BMW, designer jeans or block of cheese.

What has probably changed the most, and is responsible for many fleeing back home is you, combined with the ever decreasing value of your pension and the relentless forward march of old age, with it's associated fears. Home represents safety for some.

While annoying, visa rules aren't really much different now than a decade ago, if you had the money in the first place. I knew it was going to cost me 800k from day one. I paid it once, not every year as one deluded poster insisted, and that allows renewal of my permit every year. OK, I can't have my entry fee and spend it, it stays languishing in a bank's coffers until I'm in my coffin, or decide to run for home. If the latter, it's now worth considerably more there than when I exported it here years ago.

To those for whom change equates to something akin to complete loss of life as they know it, welcome to the real world!  Everything is constantly changing, everywhere. If somewhere is no longer what you initially found it to be, move on, or go back home. Complaining about it is pitiful.

[Mike Teavee]

1 hour ago, Old Croc said:

Same old story from returning expats.

Of course they're going to say how much better their life is now they're  back in the old country.  Lose of face is not confined to Thais.

Of course many things will be cheaper there, and a lot of other things refreshingly normal and efficient. Just like they were decades ago when exotic Asia and it's laid back lifestyle sent out a siren call, and you answered.

The basics haven't changed, overall it is still substantially cheaper to live in Thailand than a western country. Do a complete COL assessment, not just pick and choose a BMW, designer jeans or block of cheese.

What has probably changed the most, and is responsible for many fleeing back home is you, combined with the ever decreasing value of your pension and the relentless forward march of old age, with it's associated fears. Home represents safety for some.

While annoying, visa rules aren't really much different now than a decade ago, if you had the money in the first place. I knew it was going to cost me 800k from day one. I paid it once, not every year as one deluded poster insisted, and that allows renewal of my permit every year. OK, I can't have my entry fee and spend it, it stays languishing in a bank's coffers until I'm in my coffin, or decide to run for home. If the latter, it's now worth considerably more there than when I exported it here years ago.

To those for whom change equates to something akin to complete loss of life as they know it, welcome to the real world!  Everything is constantly changing, everywhere. If somewhere is no longer what you initially found it to be, move on, or go back home. Complaining about it is pitiful.

No offence but I do wonder whether you would make the same post if they suddenly doubled the amount of money you needed to keep in the bank & you weren't so "Alright Jack" (FWIW, So am I).

 

Have some sympathy for guys that are being driven back home (some with families that they cannot take with them) because of changes to the finance rules, it may well be you one day & in Thailand, unless you're a Citizen or PR, you're always a maximum of 1 year from that possibility.

 

Curious, what you would do if they doubled the money you need to keep in the Bank (I'm alright Jack, I can bring mine in from Singapore, crappy USD/GBP rates don't bother me), what if it tripled, quadrupled? at what point would you find yourself packing a bag & heading back home. 

 

And if that were to happen could you afford to take your family with you? Would they want to go (not a dig at you, I mean would they want to leave Thailand), this is the very real situation that guys are dealing with at the moment so have some sympathy if not empathy for them... There but for the grace of God go I... 

 

My (somewhat rambling) point is, guys who head back don't make the decision lightly, some head back because of Kids education, some head back for work opportunities & some are forced back, I doubt any of them worry about "Loss of Face" but of course they're going to look on the bright side (Queue monty python :)) 

 

And fwiw my lifestyle in the UK is a damn sight cheaper than it is in Asia (2/3rds SG, 1/3rd BKK) as my lifestyle in Singapore is a lot cheaper than my lifestyle in Bangkok [Hint, it's all to do with Salary (higher in SG) & Tax (lower in SG), that spread alone covers more than covers for any additional expenses & then some)

 

 

 

 

[BritManToo]

3 hours ago, yogi100 said:

London high streets are thronging with people in the daytime who are obviously not British. Ask can yourself why they're not working and where does their money come from.

I always assumed they were waiters/waitress/barmen/maids/night nurses/etc., people that worked low paid evening jobs and could live in London because they were OK living 10 to a room.

[BritManToo]

30 minutes ago, Mike Teavee said:

Curious, what you would do if they doubled the money you need to keep in the Bank (I'm alright Jack, I can bring mine in from Singapore, crappy USD/GBP rates don't bother me), what if it tripled, quadrupled? at what point would you find yourself packing a bag & heading back home. 

At no point, as there are plenty of other countries in Asia I can live in if I can pay 300USD for the 1 year VISA.

[Mike Teavee]

12 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

At no point, as there are plenty of other countries in Asia I can live in if I can pay 300USD for the 1 year VISA.

Yeah but you ain't nothing but a hound dog ???? 

 

Joking aside, as you've said many times, you can't/won't because of your kids & my point is that that there are a lot of guys who are having to do exactly that.... 

 

Me, I'd be off to Philippines (Cebu/Davao) in a heartbeat, I still only have 1/3rd of a toe in Thailand so may well just do that anyway (& it won't be because of the finances, it will be because of the other immigration <deleted> that making me feel less & less welcome in Thailand)... 

 

 

 

[seasia]

Interesting thread

 

I suppose that quite a few sold up in their home country or lost their property though divorce.

I kept my  UK place when I moved out to Thailand. Been rented out for many years.

Not all that great a net return after agent full management fees, maintenance etc.

 

Although I am planing to reduce my time in Thailand,doubt I would want to live back in the UK  mostly down to what I consider a fairly grim climate ( in the winter anyway).

 

General grocery prices do seem cheaper.

 

I looked at that numbeo price comparison site for the European country I am currently in ( Italy ) compared to Thailand.

That site is riddled with errors.

They have restaurant prices at double reality.

Grocery prices, almost all wrong.

Beverage prices also wrong.

 I am struggling to understand how it can be so wrong.

 

 

Just 1 example they list apples at 1.73 Euro per kilo.

There are some in my fridge, price was 88 cents,from a small local store, if from a supermarket would have been even cheaper, half of numbeo price.

Many other errors.

Property prices are realistic though.

 

[madmen]

8 hours ago, Mike Teavee said:

Me, I'd be off to Philippines (Cebu/Davao) in a heartbeat, I still only have 1/3rd of a toe in Thailand so may well just do that anyway (& it won't be because of the finances, it will be because of the other immigration <deleted> that making me feel less & less welcome in Thailand)...

Its always ALWAYS about the money. I don't buy in to the "I'm wealthy but gonna go to Cambo to live cause of immigration "  That's just anonymous keyboard nonsense