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Plastic bags: No more from the start of 2021

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1 hour ago, Fat Prophet said:

What complete nonsense. Plastic bags being used commonly is a relatively new phenomenon. The lightweight plastic bags debuted in the USA in 1976, and many of America's largest food store chains were switching from paper to plastic bags by 1982. By 1985, 75 percent of US supermarkets were offering plastic bags to their customers. Lots of "discontent and grumbling"? Deal with it.....

The question "paper or plastic" being asked at market checkout counters is still very clear in my mind. Plastic bags are, indeed, a relatively new thing; and, much like "social media", NOT a good thing overall!

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The plastic bag situation here is dire & I fully support any move to reduce their use, we have reusable bags and frequently use them, as other posters have highlighted 7/11, Mini Big C and Tesco express seem to enjoy giving you a bag for the smallest of purchases, I kid you not, once I was feeling a little peckish and popped into a convenience store for a Twix bar or something similar and the girl on the checkout put it in a carrier bag - shakes head.

 

They also need to clamp down on Mom & Pop shops, perhaps the government could investigate the production of some cheap non polluting alternatives and make them widely available.

 

In our own small way we try to be nice to the environment, all plastic bottles, (in fact anything plastic) glass bottles and Aluminium cans are all sent to the local recycling people, the Mrs gets a small payout so she's a bit happier and although we do use carrier bags for trash we also have biodegradable bags bought specially. 

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Put a deposit on the bags, perhaps 2-3 baht. People respond to incentives, and money is an incentive. Give something extra for the bottle collectors we see going through dumpsters, etc to recycle. You want to toss in street, okay. Collector can get it: "one man's trash is another man's treasure"

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1 hour ago, connda said:

It's about time.  I'm not a fan of big government, but there comes a time with government needs to step up and regulate.  The manufacturers of single use plastic as well as the retailers who pass this garbage out will never willing give up plastic because it effects their profits.  It's profits over the environment. 
Although this announcement has been made, personally I'll believe it when I see it.  Both the Petro-Chemical industry who makes single-use plastic as well as the retailers will lobby the Thai government hard not to implement this policy.  When money talks, ideals walk.  So let's see what it looks like come Jan 1, 2021?

I am truly and deeply saddened by the fact that connda is absolutely correct. The petro-chem industry has billions of dollars at stake in this. The'll spend whatever it takes to extend the delays in making plastic bags disappear. 

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What is the strategy already "in-place" to encourage Mom and Pop shops and markets to comply?  Maybe it's fleshed out in the Thai article linked in OP.  

I hope it's not one of those ridiculous ones like, 10 years in prison or a 100 Baht fine.

 

3 hours ago, webfact said:

Strategies are in place to encourage "mom and pop" stores and fresh food markets to begin to follow suit in the meantime with the aim that Thailand will be plastic bag free by January 1st 2021. 

 

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1 hour ago, Fat Prophet said:

There were "viable alternatives" before plastic bags became common place -- paper bags. There are paper and bio-degradable alternatives readily available to everything made of plastic today, perhaps with the exception of straws. My kids use, wash and reuse metal straws, and they work fine. I have never used a straw in my life (at least that I can remember), and so long as cups, glasses and bottles can be tipped, I do without them just fine. There may be a minor cost/price issue, but the alternatives are there, NOW. 

I returned, just 2 weeks ago, from a town in Egypt where plastic bags and takeaway food containers have been completely eliminated. Other plastic containers, such as water bottles are reprocessed and become a constituent in the manufacture of paving stones.

 

It can be done. 

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Regarding mom and pop stores.  There's an independent grocery store in a village near me that doesn't have any plastic bags.  You either have to take your own bag, buy one of their linen bags or just carry your shopping out in your arms.  It isn't some high end store, just a local store for local people.  Everyone seems fine with it and it's always busy.

 

The other part of the problem is rubbish collection.  Most people outside cities and town centres don't have rubbish collection.  They either have to burn their rubbish or fly-tip it.  This has created a littering culture because why take home a food wrapper when you know you have to go to the effort of burning it and creating toxic fumes when you can just drop it in the street.

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Good and next the hemp bags, please. I used one for years going to my local Tengelmann in Germany, durable bags.

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2021...close enough for those involved to get all the credit...far enough away for those involved to forget about it.

 

And why only 30% reduction? Be a real forward thinking country and ban them outright and come up with a viable alternative.

 

This will never happen. Thai's lack the vision, commitment and resolve to see this through. The first complaint at Tesco they will say that they need to rethink this and it's on hold until 2025.

 

Fail.

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32 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

It doesn’t require a “nanny state” to make the determination that plastic bags and plastic straws are horrendously bad for the environment -- which is the environment of all of us. As for taxing high-sugar drinks, cigarettes, and other consumables that are demonstrably bad for one’s health, people who consume these items and as a result become chronically ill and require medical care drive up costs for all of us -- in the way of increased taxes and insurance premiums.

 

So, yes, one person’s selfishness adversely affects another person’s quality of life.

It's a line that's more difficult to draw than most people want to admit, Cory. I'm a "right of center" Republican in the USA. I strongly oppose what I consider to be too much government. But how much is too much? We all agree that laws are required to regulate the operation of motor vehicles, because a total lack of them would be unimaginable carnage. But, while nearly everyone now acknowledges that cigarette smoke does significantly increase the likelihood of cancer; there is a lot of disagreement over how restrictive laws should be on smokers, or, for that matter, on manufacturers of cigarettes. What about marijuana; and stronger drugs? Again, major disagreement over the degree to which those should be regulated. The question of who and what should be regulated, and to what degree, will never be solved to the satisfaction of all people. Most people find satisfaction somewhere between anarchy and absolute fascism. But there's a hell of a lot of space between the two where most of those people will still disagree! 

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2 hours ago, vinniekintana said:

Nanny state without any of the benefits of nanny states.

The worst of both worlds.

 

I live life on life's terms. I can always seek the company of my old nanny if I am unhappy with the new one.

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