Jomtien immigration fining for no TM30 ?

[Golden Triangle]

I heard earlier today that a guy got an 800 Baht fine for his wife not having submitted a TM30 when he came back into the country, I thought Pattaya immigration were ignoring the TM30 debacle ?

 

Any thoughts anyone ?

[jacko45k]

Recent rumours around that Jomtien may well be implementing stricter CW style approach to TM30.  Personally, if it costs me 800 baht after 15 years, I could live with it.

Edited September 11, 2019 by jacko45k

[david555]

15 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Recent rumours around that Jomtien may well be implementing stricter CW style approach to TM30.  Personally, if it costs me 800 baht after 15 years, I could live with it.

I wonder how they manage to get fined …. control …., confession or what ….done my 2th DL5 years, ret.ext new 28 aug.  never had  TM 30  no one asked it ..?

 

I feel neglected or not taken for granted ????

[jacko45k]

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

I wonder how they manage to get fined …. control …., confession or what ….done my 2th DL5 years, ret.ext new 28 aug.  never had  TM 30  no one asked it ..?

 

I feel neglected or not taken for granted ????

Nor me, and adopt the idea of worry about it when it happens, if ever. May have got lucky last renewal as the Embassies had just cancelled their letters and the place was swamped with panickers!

[david555]

2 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Nor me, and adopt the idea of worry about it when it happens, if ever. May have got lucky last renewal as the Embassies had just cancelled their letters and the place was swamped with panickers!

28 august I  could not even sit down waiting , straight my turn ….. maybe all panickers left to Cambo ..?

They (immigrat.) have 8 years same address , maybe Tm3 done by condo … but I don't have a slip as never that law implicated early days of coming to Thailand 

[Golden Triangle]

16 minutes ago, david555 said:

I wonder how they manage to get fined …. control …., confession or what ….done my 2th DL5 years, ret.ext new 28 aug.  never had  TM 30  no one asked it ..?

 

I feel neglected or not taken for granted ????

From what I understand: The guy is on a retirement extension & works out of the country, when he came back in he did his TM6 along with entry stamp at swampy so showed what date he came back in to Thailand, went to Immigration for new multi re entry permit and was picked up then, house is in wife's name and she never told immigration. 

Edited September 11, 2019 by Golden Triangle

[david555]

5 minutes ago, Golden Triangle said:

From what I understand: The guy is on a retirement extension & works out of the country, when he came back in he did his TM6 so showed what date he came back in to Thailand, went to Immigration for new multi re entry permit and was picked up then, house is in wife's name and she never told immigration. 

Me on ret ext , travelling my country, by returning  ….I was  not obliged to report at jomt. 5 as a ret ext holder in case address same, when I was  asking it as test case . Not needed for ret ext. holders at jomtien I.O. Reception girls didn't knew that ,  but uniformed reception I.O. confirmed that time .

Edited September 11, 2019 by david555

[Golden Triangle]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

Me on ret ext , travelling my country, by returning  ….I was  not obliged to report at jomt. 5 as a ret ext holder in case address same, when I was  asking it as test case . Not needed for ret ext. holders at jomtien I.O. Reception girls didn't knew that ,  but uniformed reception I.O. confirmed that time .

I'm only telling you what I heard from a reliable source who knows the guy. I'm on retirement extension as well and did my 90 days last month, been renting this place for over 5 years no mention of TM30 either, but who knows if they have been told to up the ante ??

[david555]

1 minute ago, Golden Triangle said:

I'm only telling you what I heard from a reliable source who knows the guy. I'm on retirement extension as well and did my 90 days last month, been renting this place for over 5 years no mention of TM30 either, but who knows if they have been told to up the ante ??

That is also why I can only tell my story , maybe one day we are the" lucky ones" too....

I think only the ones who do "that counter" like it ….,as no one else on other desk asking it , understandable as it is their meaning of existing job 

[soisanuk]

It appears Jomtien Immigration has changed their policy within the past couple of weeks. Previously, if you traveled outside of Thailand and returned to your previously reported address, no new TM.30 was required.  However, I am aware of two first hand and one second hand report that they were informed this policy has changed. Now, if traveling outside of Thailand, Jomtien is requiring a new TM.30 - apparently within 3 days of return per one first hand report on what they were told at Immigration.  However, it appears they are still not requiring it if travel is within Thailand.

[thailand49]

Funny this is what happened yesterday down at Jomtien when I went with my cousin to obtain a residential certificate. Since I was down there 4 weeks ago to obtain one myself and had no problem I guided him as to what was needed.  Now both of us are here for a number of years on Retirement Extension and when i was down 4 weeks ago no mentioned or question about TM-30.

 

As he approached the front information counter he already had everything filled out and presented the girl with his passport etc. she went through the paperwork and ask him where is your TM-30 form?  He plays dumb and said " what is that "  he speaks good Thai she hands him a form told him to go next room and fill it out plus a number for RC.

 

Being prepared he had already filled out a TM-30 in case from reading all the TM-30 thread here on ThaiVisa.  The girl went through his paperwork, came back ask him where you live etc etc.. again he plays dumb and old because now he thinks they want to fine him for not having one. In the conversation he says he doesn't even know what it is that all he does which he has been doing for years is apply for his extension and report for his 90 days no one ever ask him about this?

 

In the end, the girls fills out the form for him tears the bottom off and staples it to his passport and told him to follow her to the xerox machine she tells the guy to xerox these pages including the now new TM-30 attached and TM-6 old copy taken for the TM-30, takes it to Window 9 for him, he pays 300 baht and told to wait one hour after an hour came back to pick up RC.

 

While he is picking up his RC, I speak to another girl at the front desk ask her what is this TM-30, I wasn't asked in August, said it is all new applying to everyone even on extension. I said I reported beginning of August for 90 days no mentioned she said you have your passport I said yes look at it, took the form out ask me to fill it out, took it to the TM-30 room didn't ask me for any paper work, spoke to the girl and gave me back my passport with torn bottom attached to my passport like the 90 day report! No fine!

Edited September 12, 2019 by thailand49

[Peterw42]

Unless something has drastically changed at Jomtien immigration, you dont need a TM30 to do long stay extensions or 90 day reports. They usually want a TM30 for tourists getting a 1 month extn etc.

If you ask at the front desk they just presume everyone needs a TM30 done and point you to that counter. 

 

[jacko45k]

2 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Unless something has drastically changed at Jomtien immigration, you dont need a TM30 to do long stay extensions or 90 day reports

Actually that is the point being made, it is a change in requirements. Not sure wrt 90 day reports yet, seems people are doing them OK without, but a Residence certificate now may require TM30. 

Edited September 12, 2019 by jacko45k

[reargunnerph3]

2 years ago when I went to extend a tourist visa I got a Bt1,900 fine for not reporting my address

[topt]

2 minutes ago, reargunnerph3 said:

2 years ago when I went to extend a tourist visa I got a Bt1,900 fine for not reporting my address

Other than the first post the discussion is about holders of retirement extensions which up to now had appeared to be exempt from the mainstream TM30 reporting.

Tourist visas, visa waiver stamps etc = fair game!  

[Peterw42]

4 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Actually that is the point being made, it is a change in requirements. Not sure wrt 90 day reports yet, seems people are doing them OK without, but a Residence certificate now may require TM30. 

Maybe, but what the front counter tells you and then what the counter you go to wants are often different. I did my marriage extension the other day and the front counter was pointing me to the TM30 room. I had to insist that all my documents were ok and I just want a ticket for the marriage counter. And of course, the marriage counter didnt want a TM30.

They dont know or check your status at the front counter, they just presume everyone is a tourist who needs a TM30.

I think there is a good chance the Res Cert counter still doesnt need a TM30 if you are on a long stay extension etc.

 

[topt]

15 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

If you ask at the front desk they just presume everyone needs a TM30 done and point you to that counter. 

This is I guess what happened to me 4 weeks ago when I arrived back. I had never done a TM30 but thought I ought to at least ask and specifically mentioned that I was on a retirement extension. There is also an issue about documents for the house owner which I won't go into.

 

One of the 2 ladies on the front desk said yes and when I explained the situation about "possessor" asked if I had a driving licence. So all the potential issues around blue book/ID card etc were solved by using a photo copy of my driving licence for proof of the address...........

 

At least I now have a TM30 so will see what happens in any future interactions with Jomtien.

[Jaxxper]

I was delinquent on TM 30 registrations for a couple of overseas trips and some out of province stays. Went to Jomtien a couple of weeks ago to renew the TM 30 and expected a fine. IO updated the registration and when I asked about the need to reregister after a trip I was told , do it only after an international trip, not out of province trips. I thought it was pretty pragmatic. No fine was levied.

[benoit75]

2 hours ago, Peterw42 said:

Unless something has drastically changed at Jomtien immigration, you dont need a TM30 to do long stay extensions or 90 day reports. They usually want a TM30 for tourists getting a 1 month extn etc.

If you ask at the front desk they just presume everyone needs a TM30 done and point you to that counter. 

 

I am on O-A visa, new here, and the girl at Jomtiem immigration check my TM30 recept in my passport to obtain a certificate of residence. My owner do the TM30 in the 24 hours allowed time.

Edited September 12, 2019 by benoit75

[lelle]

I been living here 3 years without tm 30 ,so today i went to jomtien immigration and they told me

everybody need to do it now,and you need to report if you go overseas within 3 days,  + I was not fined 

[Mavrix]

6 hours ago, soisanuk said:

However, it appears they are still not requiring it if travel is within Thailand.

That is the information l was given after l went there yesterday, after returning from a couple of days up in Isaan

[chilly07]

Don't they check your TM30 status on line? Presuming they do I registered for TM30 On Line between Under Consideration in Aug and Approval in Sept because it took 6 weeks to get the ID and Password. No mention made at either visit to Jomtien!

[MartiniMan]

Yes it happens and when I give it to them I remove it from my boxer shorts or pay in 1 baht pieces

[Peterw42]

1 hour ago, benoit75 said:

I am on O-A visa, new here, and the girl at Jomtiem immigration check my TM30 recept in my passport to obtain a certificate of residence. My owner do the TM30 in the 24 hours allowed time.

OK, so its sounds like they now want a TM30 for Res Cert, interested to know if they now require one for retire extension etc

[DannyCarlton]

23 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Recent rumours around that Jomtien may well be implementing stricter CW style approach to TM30.  Personally, if it costs me 800 baht after 15 years, I could live with it.

Just that, rumours. I have a house and registered my address with IO (TM28?) when I first moved in. Here on a retirement extension and never been asked for a TM30.

 

If you drill down on the roumours, i sspect that it's from people living here on METVs and the like. IO have never been happy with them, nobody likes a liar.

[Jimbo53]

I got fined 1600baht at Jomtien Immigration 18 months ago,after living in Pattaya for 12 yrs i relocated back to the UK,went back out on a 60 day SETV,and went for a 30 day extension,got Ruby at the adjacent visa shop to do it,she told me i would be fined 1600bht for not having registered my address! i was staying in my own house,albeit in my Thai partners name.

[Pilotman]

22 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Just that, rumours. I have a house and registered my address with IO (TM28?) when I first moved in. Here on a retirement extension and never been asked for a TM30.

 

If you drill down on the roumours, i sspect that it's from people living here on METVs and the like. IO have never been happy with them, nobody likes a liar.

That is my experience of Jomtein Immigration as well. First TM30 when we moved house, haven't bothered since and I have been out of the country 4 times since that first time.  Never been asked, never been challenged.  I suppose it could come at some time, but not yet I hope and if it does, I will just take the fine hit, as that is preferable to the hassle of submitting every time.  

Edited September 12, 2019 by Pilotman

[DannyCarlton]

2 minutes ago, Jimbo53 said:

I got fined 1600baht at Jomtien Immigration 18 months ago,after living in Pattaya for 12 yrs i relocated back to the UK,went back out on a 60 day SETV,and went for a 30 day extension,got Ruby at the adjacent visa shop to do it,she told me i would be fined 1600bht for not having registered my address! i was staying in my own house,albeit in my Thai partners name.

Exactly. You were here on a tourist visa. Long term residents here on Retirement or marriage  extension won't have that problem at Jomtien IO.

[jesimps]

5 hours ago, Peterw42 said:

Unless something has drastically changed at Jomtien immigration, you dont need a TM30 to do long stay extensions or 90 day reports. They usually want a TM30 for tourists getting a 1 month extn etc.

If you ask at the front desk they just presume everyone needs a TM30 done and point you to that counter. 

 

Whilst doing my one year marriage extension yesterday, after the paper-shuffling at counter 6 I was sent to counter 10 to do a TM30 and get a slip to take back to counter 6 before they'd continue with my application. It was my first marriage extension, but in my previous 12 retirement extensions, I never had to do this. Never been mentioned in any of my 90 day reports either.

Edited September 12, 2019 by jesimps

[Golden Triangle]

Just now, DannyCarlton said:

Exactly. You were here on a tourist visa. Long term residents here on Retirement or marriage  extension won't have that problem at Jomtien IO.

You obviously didn't read or comprehend what I said in my OP, the guy IS on a retirement ext, and works offshore, he bought the house & it is in his wife's name - he went for a new multi re entry permit for his next spell offshore and they fined him, understand now ??