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2 hours ago, Perhaps2more said:

I assume you really know all about Buddhism and Buddhism in Thailand which follows the original Pali scripts, and not the translated versions as some other countries do. All the prayers are still recited in Pali language every time before giving Thai translation, to remain as close as possible the the original.

Not all as you the apparent expert does, but I know enough to understand that Buddhism doesn't revolve around spirit houses, buying favours to ensure you come back better than when you departed this current life, ignoring most of Lord Buddha's teaching in the pursuit of enriching yourself in monetary terms, and the list goes on, and 

just because the original Pali scripts are followed doesn't change the apparent lust to enrich yourself and climb over who ever gets in the way to achieve that goal -  this is besides the corruption and complete disregard of the precepts and correct behaviour within the "monk hood" and wat's. 

Should give you something to think about, as to what many don't see, don't want to see or want to believe - a complete farce in far too many instances. 

 

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51 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Not all as you the apparent expert does, but I know enough to understand that Buddhism doesn't revolve around spirit houses, buying favours to ensure you come back better than when you departed this current life, ignoring most of Lord Buddha's teaching in the pursuit of enriching yourself in monetary terms, and the list goes on, and 

just because the original Pali scripts are followed doesn't change the apparent lust to enrich yourself and climb over who ever gets in the way to achieve that goal -  this is besides the corruption and complete disregard of the precepts and correct behaviour within the "monk hood" and wat's. 

Should give you something to think about, as to what many don't see, don't want to see or want to believe - a complete farce in far too many instances. 

 

1) Learn to separate Buddhism from Pagan belief. You said it yourself that "Buddhism doesn't revolve around spirit houses."

You also said that they ignore most of the Buddhist teachings. How can you call people who are not following the Buddhist teachings as a Buddhist. They do whatever they believe in but surely that is not being Buddhist.

2) The original teachings were written down in Pali scripts and these are what Thai Buddhism is about. The essence is in the teachings, not the rituals.

3) The apparent lust to enrich themselves and climb over others who get in the way, as you put it, is an individual doing. It is personal greed. Religion has nothing to do with that. You do not blame the justice system because of a thief.

4) There are priests, preachers, monks and lay people who do not behave according to the teachings of their religion. This does not mean that religion is bad. It only means that particular person is bad.

5) Buddhism is personal. It is within which means you deal with yourself, not the world. Other people do whatever they do, understanding nature of all things is wisdom. Watching your mind moves is wisdom. Meditation helps to gain wisdom by connecting the conscious with the subconscious. 

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3 minutes ago, Perhaps2more said:

1) Learn to separate Buddhism from Pagan belief. You said it yourself that "Buddhism doesn't revolve around spirit houses."

You also said that they ignore most of the Buddhist teachings. How can you call people who are not following the Buddhist teachings as a Buddhist. They do whatever they believe in but surely that is not being Buddhist.

2) The original teachings were written down in Pali scripts and these are what Thai Buddhism is about. The essence is in the teachings, not the rituals.

3) The apparent lust to enrich themselves and climb over others who get in the way, as you put it, is an individual doing. It is personal greed. Religion has nothing to do with that. You do not blame the justice system because of a thief.

4) There are priests, preachers, monks and lay people who do not behave according to the teachings of their religion. This does not mean that religion is bad. It only means that particular person is bad.

5) Buddhism is personal. It is within which means you deal with yourself, not the world. Other people do whatever they do, understanding nature of all things is wisdom. Watching your mind moves is wisdom. Meditation helps to gain wisdom by connecting the conscious with the subconscious. 

And here endeth the lesson according to Perhaps2more. 

 

For your interest, I don't call, never did, ever will, call them Buddhists - they call and insist they are devout Buddhists themselves. 

 

Whether the scrips were written in Pali or gibberish, makes no difference, the original teachings are the teachings. 

 

You seem to agree in a convoluted way with the majority of what I said, but did you pickup on that my comment was how I see a vast number of Thai Buddhists (their calling - not mine) as being far removed from what Lord Buddha taught. 

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19 minutes ago, Artisi said:

And here endeth the lesson according to Perhaps2more. 

 

For your interest, I don't call, never did, ever will, call them Buddhists - they call and insist they are devout Buddhists themselves. 

 

Whether the scrips were written in Pali or gibberish, makes no difference, the original teachings are the teachings. 

 

You seem to agree in a convoluted way with the majority of what I said, but did you pickup on that my comment was how I see a vast number of Thai Buddhists (their calling - not mine) as being far removed from what Lord Buddha taught. 

How illogical is your comment ! 

People call themselves whatever they like, it does not mean they are what they've said.

But yet you want to condemn them as the people they've said they are.

If I called myself God, and then misbehave. Would you call me a bad God?

 

When you said you do not call them Buddhists but you said they are bad Buddhists. Are they Buddhist or not Buddhist, according to your understanding?

How can anyone who is not practising Buddhism but called themselves Buddhist, be Buddhist? It does not make sense at all.

 

I mentioned the Pali scripts because that is the original text known but whether you care or not it is your own problem.

 

I do not see how you arrived at, I in a convoluted way agreed with you. You are misunderstanding what I said.

I said that you can not call the people who are not practising Buddhism, as Buddhist, regardless of what they prefer or wish to call themselves.

 

Most Thais are born into Buddhism and live in their local cultural belief, what ever that is.

The mix is not a form of Buddhism or Thai style Buddhism as you would like to call it .

 

Quote, ... " 1) Learn to separate Buddhism from Pagan belief. " unquote

.....Don't you understand what does this mean?

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Religion is so effective at making people act like completely deranged idiots. 

 

Thank God I'm an Atheist!!!  😉

 

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17 minutes ago, Inn Between said:

Religion is so effective at making people act like completely deranged idiots. 

 

Thank God I'm an Atheist!!!  😉

 

Why would you thank God when you are an Atheist?  ... Very funny !

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3 minutes ago, Perhaps2more said:

Religion is so effective at making people act like completely deranged idiots. 

 

Thank God I'm an Atheist!!!  😉

 

 

3 minutes ago, Perhaps2more said:

Why would you thank God when you are an Atheist?  ... Very funny !

You did notice the "wink" thingy after my joke, didn't you? 

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 I have the feeling that

Perhaps2more objective is to impress people here.

 

Maybe he should do something  about his writing style, which appears now to me as : "I know better than you". 

 

Of course everything is relative, so is my opinion. 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Perhaps2more said:

How illogical is your comment ! 

People call themselves whatever they like, it does not mean they are what they've said.

But yet you want to condemn them as the people they've said they are.

If I called myself God, and then misbehave. Would you call me a bad God?

 

When you said you do not call them Buddhists but you said they are bad Buddhists. Are they Buddhist or not Buddhist, according to your understanding?

How can anyone who is not practising Buddhism but called themselves Buddhist, be Buddhist? It does not make sense at all.

 

I mentioned the Pali scripts because that is the original text known but whether you care or not it is your own problem.

 

I do not see how you arrived at, I in a convoluted way agreed with you. You are misunderstanding what I said.

I said that you can not call the people who are not practising Buddhism, as Buddhist, regardless of what they prefer or wish to call themselves.

 

Most Thais are born into Buddhism and live in their local cultural belief, what ever that is.

The mix is not a form of Buddhism or Thai style Buddhism as you would like to call it .

 

Quote, ... " 1) Learn to separate Buddhism from Pagan belief. " unquote

.....Don't you understand what does this mean?

Would seem you have completely missed the point in your pursuit of trying to air what you consider is your superior knowledge.

Do you understand what that means? - probably not. 

 

Take your circular argument elsewhere as I'm not interested in it, so no response needed. 

6 hours ago, Inn Between said:

 

You did notice the "wink" thingy after my joke, didn't you? 

Someone is completely devoid of noticing anything outside of themselves - strange for someone trying really really hard to be Buddhist. 

Edited by Artisi

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7 hours ago, luckyluke said:

 I have the feeling that

Perhaps2more objective is to impress people here.

 

Maybe he should do something  about his writing style, which appears now to me as : "I know better than you". 

 

Of course everything is relative, so is my opinion. 

 

 

 

Did it impress anyone? The fact the you choose to see it that way tell something about yourself. I do know Buddhism.

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2 hours ago, Artisi said:

Would seem you have completely missed the point in your pursuit of trying to air what you consider is your superior knowledge.

Do you understand what that means? - probably not. 

 

Take your circular argument elsewhere as I'm not interested in it, so no response needed. 

Someone is completely devoid of noticing anything outside of themselves - strange for someone trying really really hard to be Buddhist. 

You probably need some kind of help but that is your problem. It's just unfortunate that I did not realize that at first.

I was only trying to tell you that what you called Thai Buddhism is your own creation. Obviously you know better. Why not?

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2 hours ago, Artisi said:
8 hours ago, Inn Between said:

 

You did notice the "wink" thingy after my joke, didn't you? 

Someone is completely devoid of noticing anything outside of themselves - strange for someone trying really really hard to be Buddhist. 

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Trying really really hard to be Buddhist, said you. And you know that because ...? or... that is another one of your own imagination.

Am I or am I not a Buddhist?  Do you really know?

Thai Buddhist I am trying to be, do you think? Yes that one which has a blend of spirit house and mediums giving out numbers for lotto, while people walk over each other to get more in life which you called it Thai Buddhism

 

Devoid of noticing a wink emoji ?  Now that is terrible because emoji is so very important, one must notice it.

A Wink obviously has only one meaning to you. How foolish that I interpreted it to mean anything else.

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40 minutes ago, Perhaps2more said:

I do know Buddhism

An opinion, about yourself, that you, of course, are entitled to have.

 

Now we, readers of your posts, have also our own opinion.

 

 

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Just now, luckyluke said:

An opinion, about yourself, that you, of course, are entitled to have.

 

Now we, readers of your posts, have also our own opinion.

 

 

Did I say otherwise? Your opinion is your own and your right but how you choose to see it tells more about yourself than you can imagine. 

I wrote these answers to particular persons, without any intention for other people who were not involved to read because it probably made no real sense since outsiders did not converse with me in the first place and therefore would miss out a lot of what were said in details and the feeling of the comments.

To be fair, I wouldn't pass judgement on other people conversation unless I am involved.

Unfortunately, there are people who listen in on other people's conversation and express their feeling about everything, despite not really know the whole story. There are a lot of those strange people in this world.

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