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23 minutes ago, robblok said:

You can believe what you want but I have done business and I advise businesses. You are truly thinking its too easy. Its just a bit naive but many non business people are like you. The amounts you want to have are quite high, so its not an ordinary order. It would be different if they had a far larger normal production. I have often been called with crazy offers, it takes time to see who is real and who is not. 

 

Why would i invest a lot of time into a venture that sounds too good to be true. If its well within my normal normal production capacity its easy to give an quote. If it is not now then i first need to know that person is genuine before I am going to make a difficult calculation and see how i can allocate extra resources. 

 

It just shows that you have no real insight in how things work. If you ask for extra packaging and changes. Then they need to go and see how they adjust their packaging and how much that would cost. That is a time consuming calculation and takes quite a bit of work. I would not even start a process like that before knowing more about you. There are plenty of time wasters. You must make sure they know your not a time waster and are serious. You cant accomplish that with just a call.

 

 

Sure, it's your god given right to be apprehensive.....as long as you don't start complaining about business being slow. Succesful businesses always go above and beyond, and in the OP's case, if something about his request is out of the ordinary perhaps bring that to his attention so you can find a solution.

I'm currently setting up a business and am encountering similar attitudes from Thai companies, not just the AC salesman who didn't want to quote because we're in the hot season. I sometimes feel that Thais just miss that eagerness that other countries in the region do have and I worry for them. 

 

BTW, if you can't even get a foot in the door before a backhander is put in place than quite frankly that business deserves to be shut for good. What on earth is that about?

 

Customers are almost never #1 for Thai businesses. Some anecdotal evidence the other day. Friends of my girlfriend have opened a restaurant and they run it with the three of them. Parking around the restaurant is very limited so you've guessed already who's taking up all the parking spots. Yes it's them, from opening till closing. Unreal.

 

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2 hours ago, BestB said:

They do not need to have export license as I offered to buy internally and I would export it.

So you can export a product you don't even produce yourself without export license, while Thais can not?

 

You like to call people on this forum Trolls in almost every thread you enter...........I suggest you look in the mirror because this must be the biggest troll thread ever created on this forum

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Bassosa said:

Sure, it's your god given right to be apprehensive.....as long as you don't start complaining about business being slow. Succesful businesses always go above and beyond, and in the OP's case, if something about his request is out of the ordinary perhaps bring that to his attention so you can find a solution.

I'm currently setting up a business and am encountering similar attitudes from Thai companies, not just the AC salesman who didn't want to quote because we're in the hot season. I sometimes feel that Thais just miss that eagerness that other countries in the region do have and I worry for them. 

 

BTW, if you can't even get a foot in the door before a backhander is put in place than quite frankly that business deserves to be shut for good. What on earth is that about?

 

Customers are almost never #1 for Thai businesses. Some anecdotal evidence the other day. Friends of my girlfriend have opened a restaurant and they run it with the three of them. Parking around the restaurant is very limited so you've guessed already who's taking up all the parking spots. Yes it's them, from opening till closing. Unreal.

 

About the A/c in the hot season.. they are filled with business at that time. So they don't need your business hence the refusal. When it was dust season i could not get any air purifiers and sellers did not reply.. why.. because no need as for me there were 10 others. 

 

Successful businesses don't always go above and beyond, they first have to sort time wasters from actual business. Also the OP has no idea if the orders he places and the quotes he asks are normal or not. He has no idea of the size of the business or how full / empty they are. 

 

Things like this take time and effort you cannot expect things to go good right off the bat. Add the fact that Thais find foreigners hard to deal with makes it harder. Like i said am an accountant and advise businesses a large part of my education was in cost calculations. They can be quite hard if they are above business capacity or if someone wants something out of the ordinary (different packaging) before you even start something like that you want to be sure that the buyer is not a time waster. If the person cannot even be bothered to show up in person its a bad sign. 

 

I am just explaining what can be the cause of problems. Most people who don't do business never see the other side of things. 

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17 minutes ago, robblok said:

About the A/c in the hot season.. they are filled with business at that time. So they don't need your business hence the refusal. When it was dust season i could not get any air purifiers and sellers did not reply.. why.. because no need as for me there were 10 others. 

 

Successful businesses don't always go above and beyond, they first have to sort time wasters from actual business. Also the OP has no idea if the orders he places and the quotes he asks are normal or not. He has no idea of the size of the business or how full / empty they are. 

 

Things like this take time and effort you cannot expect things to go good right off the bat. Add the fact that Thais find foreigners hard to deal with makes it harder. Like i said am an accountant and advise businesses a large part of my education was in cost calculations. They can be quite hard if they are above business capacity or if someone wants something out of the ordinary (different packaging) before you even start something like that you want to be sure that the buyer is not a time waster. If the person cannot even be bothered to show up in person its a bad sign. 

 

I am just explaining what can be the cause of problems. Most people who don't do business never see the other side of things. 

These might be valid reason but you have to admit it's all highly unprofessional. 

Not to dwell on details, but the AC guy wanted the prices to come down first before he quoted. It would be cheaper that way for us he said, ignoring the fact that we needed AC's pronto.

 

Makes you wonder what a Chinese AC vendor would've done in a similar situation. One things for sure, he would've delivered. 

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2 minutes ago, Bassosa said:

These might be valid reason but you have to admit it's all highly unprofessional. 

Not to dwell on details, but the AC guy wanted the prices to come down first before he quoted. It would be cheaper that way for us he said, ignoring the fact that we needed AC's pronto.

 

Makes you wonder what a Chinese AC vendor would've done in a similar situation. One things for sure, he would've delivered. 

To be honest I don't think its unprofessional to see if someone is a time-waster or not. I have gotten some offers and got asked things that sounded fishy right of the start. Sorry but then I am not even going to respond seriously. I need to know someone is serious and it takes more then a phone callor an email to convince me.

 

Your right about the aircon guy, I just think he was booked full and looking for an excuse to keep you waiting. So he could sell in a time that he was not booked full. Not professional but a way to keep clients.

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12 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Maybe you should invest in a well educated well connected Thai person or company. Then they could look for business partners for your in Thai language knowing Thai culture, etc.

Or did you write your emails in Thai?

 

Beyond bizarre that that should be needed to conduct business in Thailand. It's 2019 people! He's not dealing with the mom & pop store down the road but with big manufacturers that operate globally.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

Have you sat down with them and chatted? 

 

Had a coffee?

 

i met a guy on Sukumvit sitting at the bar at The Game he had a bag full of Viagra. He was going to sell it back at home to pay for his trip.

With who? The ones who do not answer ? Or ones who do not provide price or ones who say no to everything? 

 

Any more bright suggestions ?

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29 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Maybe you should invest in a well educated well connected Thai person or company. Then they could look for business partners for your in Thai language knowing Thai culture, etc.

Or did you write your emails in Thai?

 

How is your English? Go back a few pages and read 👍

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1 hour ago, ThePioneer said:

So you can export a product you don't even produce yourself without export license, while Thais can not?

 

You like to call people on this forum Trolls in almost every thread you enter...........I suggest you look in the mirror because this must be the biggest troll thread ever created on this forum

 

 

 

You the one making assumptions not me. So yeah I must be biggest troll while you are what exactly?

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2 hours ago, jumbo said:

You need an export licence for everything, as a trader even harder to get...

 

Really? Factory needs export license to sell internally? Must be some new law you just invented to make the post

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23 minutes ago, Bassosa said:

Beyond bizarre that that should be needed to conduct business in Thailand. It's 2019 people! He's not dealing with the mom & pop store down the road but with big manufacturers that operate globally.

Why not accept reality?

I think many of us called big companies in Thailand and found out few people speak English and basically nobody would be able to make business contracts in English.

That's reality. And it's Thailand. If companies don't think English is important then who are we to tell them what they should do?

 

I think it should be obvious for every foreigner that if you want to do business in a foreign country then make sure you know the local rules and mentality or hire someone who does.

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