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15 hours ago, BestB said:

How exactly they plan to sell without telling the price?

They will just invoice you later.

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20 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Why not accept reality?

I think many of us called big companies in Thailand and found out few people speak English and basically nobody would be able to make business contracts in English.

That's reality. And it's Thailand. If companies don't think English is important then who are we to tell them what they should do?

 

I think it should be obvious for every foreigner that if you want to do business in a foreign country then make sure you know the local rules and mentality or hire someone who does.

I don't disagree with you, companies may conduct business in whatever way they think is suitable. I'm just worried about the consequences, countries surrounding Thailand are savvier, more eager. It will not end well for Thailand if they don't wake the f up. 

 

Globalisation and all....

 

Other anecdotal evidence, and this is slightly off topic but I write articles about "tech in Asia" for a publication in my own country. It's my job to scour the Internet looking for stories about tech, entrepreneurship, disrupters etc in Asia and then write about it. I'm always on the lookout for stories about Thailand (because I live here) but I struggle to find anything at all! It's all Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia and of course China with huge investments and joint ventures in fintech, mobility, autonomous driving pilots, etc. 

Maybe Elon Musk tried contacting Thai companies but no one picked up the phone?

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22 minutes ago, BestB said:

Really? Factory needs export license to sell internally? Must be some new law you just invented to make the post

You said something about reading???

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4 hours ago, BestB said:

Very possibly you are right but how do you offer a backhander when you do not even know their prices?

Generally "backhanders" go in the other direction to obtain business.

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1 minute ago, Bassosa said:

I don't disagree with you, companies may conduct business in whatever way they think is suitable. I'm just worried about the consequences, countries surrounding Thailand are savvier, more eager. It will not end well for Thailand if they don't wake the f up. 

 

Globalisation and all....

If these companies are successful in Thailand why should they change? Only to have headache with foreigners who don't understand how things are supposed to be (from a Thai perspective)?

 

Over the years I did lots of small scale business with Thai companies and with companies in Thailand with a farang boss.

I seems sometimes Thai companies hire a farang because they think he will do a better job. And maybe he does a better job than Thais.

But then after a while maybe something has to be changed. For me it seems farang bosses know that time is money. They expect to get charged for service work. But it seems many Thai bosses somehow expect service free of charge. And that's the moment when the business relation stops because both parties (Thais and farangs) have different expectations. And I wouldn't say Thais who expect free service are wrong. That's what they are used to all their life, and then this farang comes and changes the Thai rules.

 

This is obviously different from selling products. But I am sure there will be on both sides expectations and at least some of those expectations will be very different - but never discussed. And then the problems start...

So I don't blame Thais if they are not keen on doing business with those strange farangs...

 

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customer service sucks here, 2 weeks for a quote lol, same product in KL quote in 24hrs.  the English having been in Malaysia makes a big difference.  another problem is a lot of companies want funds transferred into bank rather than just take a credit card.  totally archaic. 

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16 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

If these companies are successful in Thailand why should they change? Only to have headache with foreigners who don't understand how things are supposed to be (from a Thai perspective)?

 

Over the years I did lots of small scale business with Thai companies and with companies in Thailand with a farang boss.

I seems sometimes Thai companies hire a farang because they think he will do a better job. And maybe he does a better job than Thais.

But then after a while maybe something has to be changed. For me it seems farang bosses know that time is money. They expect to get charged for service work. But it seems many Thai bosses somehow expect service free of charge. And that's the moment when the business relation stops because both parties (Thais and farangs) have different expectations. And I wouldn't say Thais who expect free service are wrong. That's what they are used to all their life, and then this farang comes and changes the Thai rules.

 

This is obviously different from selling products. But I am sure there will be on both sides expectations and at least some of those expectations will be very different - but never discussed. And then the problems start...

So I don't blame Thais if they are not keen on doing business with those strange farangs...

 

 

The OP was discussing import/export so internationally operating companies who deal with international clients and possibly compete with other international players...

 

You know.....like Thai Airways, who like doing things the "Thai way" as well. How's that working out for them?

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The OP must obviously be correct as his way of doing things is working so well. 

 

 

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My guess is that you should do business the Thai way meaning meet with someone higher up the food chain, take them and colleagues or family out for a slap up meal pay for it then offer to cross their palm with silver and gifts..

 

..then ask for a price, (the Thai way)

 

also youmight be disadvantaged not being thai (just like your buddies favouring you as a supplier the Thais might have their own Thai/Chinese buddies)

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17 hours ago, DaRoadrunner said:

In my time here I have done business with Indians, (after shaking hands, count to see if you still have all your fingers), Taiwanese and Japanese. When I have tried to do anything with the Thais it has been a monumental f'up. I never figured out what is wrong with these people?

 

I also watch the Chinese do business here and never figured out how they do it?

 

This country can destroy you, mentally, physically and financially.

Most Chinese do business with the thai that are originally from China.

 

The problem is you have 'know people' then you can do business, this is not much different then in some countries in the west.

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Really? Factory needs export license to sell internally? Must be some new law you just invented to make the post

No but your products need to be registered to sell locally.


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20 minutes ago, Bassosa said:

 

The OP was discussing import/export so internationally operating companies who deal with international clients and possibly compete with other international players...

 

You know.....like Thai Airways, who like doing things the "Thai way" as well. How's that working out for them?

They obviously don't compete with other international players.

Or maybe the OP does not convince them that he is a player...

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