UK's worst-case no-deal Brexit plan warns of food shortages, public disorder

[wilcopops]

4 hours ago, kingdong said:

Do,es that mean the pair of clogs I ordered could be late arriving?

A response that only underlines the Brexiteers' uninformed stereotypically challenged view of the world.

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Looks like a Thai lady stood next to her.

Maybe, who knows, but she certainly meets the whiter than white criteria.

[Forethat]

8 hours ago, oldhippy said:

I feel a lot safer now that I know the UK is prepared to deal with a global financial crisis.

But I still think that these matters should have been addressed in an orderly way, in consultation with the EU.

But since the UK (government, opposition, parliament, people, judiciary) was not able to make up their minds as to what type of brexit they wanted, that was impossible.

 

The economy needs stability, and if something has to change, it should be gradual, well planned and in consultation with all those involved - and carried by a reasonable majority.

 

 

The governor of the Bank of England is also the vice chair of the European systemic risk board.

 

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The ESRB is responsible for the macroprudential oversight of the EU financial system and the prevention and mitigation of systemic risk. The ESRB therefore has a broad remit, covering banks, insurers, asset managers, shadow banks, financial market infrastructures and other financial institutions and markets.

 

I think ESRB have this under control (in collaboration with all EU member states, including the UK)

https://www.esrb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/reports/esrb~32aae4bd95.report190430_reviewofmacroprudentialpolicy.pdf

 

That information should clear up your doubts regarding European collaboration on these critical issues. I posit that the work that is being done aims to even exceed the resilience required and manage the risks of market and financial instability post Brexit. Interesting reads to be found on WEF (where the governor of the Bank of England is also on the board, btw). I mention that as a reminder that these issues are managed on a global scale, not only European.

https://www.weforum.org/search?query=brexit

[Laughing Gravy]

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Thanks

The rest of your post is worthless.

Good then don't respond. I see you couldn't answer the rest of the post. too difficult I imagine for you.

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, Bruntoid said:

Wow I think this is getting to you - there is so much evidence of the demographics of the vote out there it’s embarrassing you’ve asked.

 

But remainers provide evidence as opposed to one line garbage so here you are 

 

fullfact.org 73% under 24 voted remain, Mori 75%, YouGov 71%, Question Time poll 73%, British Social Attitudes (BSA) 72% etc etc - Enough to be getting on with ? loads and loads more but it’s polite not to kick a man when he’s down

 

But when you do come up for air show me something that counters that, that shows the youth are likely to, or have voted leave 

 

oh wait but they’re all bias right ? Remarkably similar percentages but it’s all a conspiracy ? 

 

Old racist codgers are dying off taking Brexit with them, it’s just a shame they were allowed to rip the carpet out from under the future generations first.

 

Looking forward to those polls you’re going to find ......

So you can't show that those that have died voted for Brexit. So that is a lie you wrote.

 

You mention about a polls for young people. That's if polls are true as they have been proven lots of times are not in fact.

 

You say you wouldn't kick me when I am down. Don't make me laugh. Answer the first sentence and you might get some respect. But saying old racist codgers just shows what a charmer you are. I hope karma deals what you deserve from an old codger, as you so crudely put it.

[OneMoreFarang]

5 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Thanks

The rest of your post is worthless.

Good then don't respond. I see you couldn't answer the rest of the post. too difficult I imagine for you.

[Laughing Gravy]

Just now, OneMoreFarang said:

That's about the funniest thing you have posted. You have gone up in my rankings by 1.

[zorrow424]

17 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

So you can't show that those that have died voted for Brexit. So that is a lie you wrote.

 

You mention about a polls for young people. That's if polls are true as they have been proven lots of times are not in fact.

 

You say you wouldn't kick me when I am down. Don't make me laugh. Answer the first sentence and you might get some respect. But saying old racist codgers just shows what a charmer you are. I hope karma deals what you deserve from an old codger, as you so crudely put it.

Hardly knows if its head or <deleted> talking.  Hope its not another adult 3rd way mature student type manuring   teaching English here in Thailand,if so ignore

[SheungWan]

Good grief - go and check his news feed - report back what you find. 
 
If you can’t be arsed Tommy Robinson is a fully paid up racist member of the Leave party who has advised his lovely adoring fans to agitate for Brexit - now given I am assuming, admittedly, our Tommy is no economist, why do you think that is ? 
 
 

Right now, he is in third place for the Hard Brexiteers and why he is little mentioned. How it works is that Boris is in pole position. If Boris stumbles then Farage and then Robinson. That is why some of the nasty extreme right Brexiteers only occasionally show their teeth, but will increasingly do so if things get awkward. The one topic however that they have trouble keeping under wraps is racism. Its like an involuntary tic.

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[SheungWan]

So you can't show that those that have died voted for Brexit. So that is a lie you wrote.
 
You mention about a polls for young people. That's if polls are true as they have been proven lots of times are not in fact.
 
You say you wouldn't kick me when I am down. Don't make me laugh. Answer the first sentence and you might get some respect. But saying old racist codgers just shows what a charmer you are. I hope karma deals what you deserve from an old codger, as you so crudely put it.

Expired Brexit voters: not a dead parrot.

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[beautifulthailand99]

Everybody except head-bangers now realising that No Deal and leaving by the 31st are off the table. We have a lot to thank Sir Oliver Letwin , Hilary Benn , John Bercow and many others for saving our beloved country from a very, very damaging outcome. And be under no illusions Johnson aided by Cumming were hell bent on railroading through No Deal. I expect Cummings will be booted out pretty soon as Johnson pivots to whatever position he thinks will save his skin. 

 

https://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2019/09/garvan-walshe-no-deal-has-failed-the-choice-is-mays-deal-no-brexit-or-no-united-kingdom.html

 

Until this week I had thought that Brexit had become inevitable. The referendum victory, though narrow, was clear, and those who continued to oppose Brexit lacked the tactical sophistication to press their case successfully.That’s started to change. The campaign to take Britain out of the EU is now at risk of failing altogether. But the manner of its failure, the scorched earth tactics of its more extreme partisans, and the increasing radicalisation of the Remain electorate (reflected in the Liberal Democrats’ tactically astute shift in position to direct revocation of Article 50, without a referendum) could cause a significant portion of the public to feel completely alienated from the political system.

 

Indeed the previously championing No Deal Torygraph now starting to fly a kite for the Second Referendum .

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/13/second-referendum-could-provide-us-route-purgatory/

 

 

 

 

[joecoolfrog]

On 9/12/2019 at 2:26 AM, JonnyF said:

Doesn't seem to be working for Remainers. Most people just roll their eyes when we hear the same old nonsense about medical shortages, house price crashes blah blah blah. Nobody believes you. You were wrong about the effect of a vote to leave and you will be proved wrong when we actually leave. Project Fear is failing, get some new material.

Most close minded people ...

[Forethat]

13 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Everybody except head-bangers now realising that No Deal and leaving by the 31st are off the table. We have a lot to thank Sir Oliver Letwin , Hilary Benn , John Bercow and many others for saving our beloved country from a very, very damaging outcome. And be under no illusions Johnson aided by Cumming were hell bent on railroading through No Deal. I expect Cummings will be booted out pretty soon as Johnson pivots to whatever position he thinks will save his skin. 

 

https://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2019/09/garvan-walshe-no-deal-has-failed-the-choice-is-mays-deal-no-brexit-or-no-united-kingdom.html

 

Until this week I had thought that Brexit had become inevitable. The referendum victory, though narrow, was clear, and those who continued to oppose Brexit lacked the tactical sophistication to press their case successfully.That’s started to change. The campaign to take Britain out of the EU is now at risk of failing altogether. But the manner of its failure, the scorched earth tactics of its more extreme partisans, and the increasing radicalisation of the Remain electorate (reflected in the Liberal Democrats’ tactically astute shift in position to direct revocation of Article 50, without a referendum) could cause a significant portion of the public to feel completely alienated from the political system.

 

Indeed the previously championing No Deal Torygraph now starting to fly a kite for the Second Referendum .

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/13/second-referendum-could-provide-us-route-purgatory/

I for one agree with Garvan Walshe. I think ignoring democracy would be a much bigger issue than the unknown outcome of leaving in the first place.

[joecoolfrog]

The 5 stages of Spartan Brexiter grief ;

1) Denial - seeing plenty of that.

2) Anger - will blame all but themselves.

3) Bargaining- Nope had their chance.

4) Depression- well at least Sterling will have risen .

5) Acceptance - Need to find something else to get angry about.

[beautifulthailand99]

4 minutes ago, Forethat said:

I for one agree with Garvan Walshe. I think ignoring democracy would be a much bigger issue than the unknown outcome of leaving in the first place.

Though he does blame no-dealers 'extreme-partisans' for increasing the bad temper of the debate. I am optimistic now that a reasonable outcome that could please a good majority can be achieved before we move on, which we must and soon be that remaining or leaving with a good deal and in a spirit of cooperation with the EU not a phoney-war. 

[beautifulthailand99]

7 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

The 5 stages of Spartan Brexiter grief ;

1) Denial - seeing plenty of that.

2) Anger - will blame all but themselves.

3) Bargaining- Nope had their chance.

4) Depression- well at least Sterling will have risen .

5) Acceptance - Need to find something else to get angry about.

Getting the nauseous Mark Francois off our screens as he explodes will be an early quick win. 

 

[vogie]

36 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Right now, he is in third place for the Hard Brexiteers and why he is little mentioned. How it works is that Boris is in pole position. If Boris stumbles then Farage and then Robinson. That is why some of the nasty extreme right Brexiteers only occasionally show their teeth, but will increasingly do so if things get awkward. The one topic however that they have trouble keeping under wraps is racism. Its like an involuntary tic.

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It seems there are racists within the arch remainers which you are keeping stum about.

 

[beautifulthailand99]

39 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Right now, he is in third place for the Hard Brexiteers and why he is little mentioned. How it works is that Boris is in pole position. If Boris stumbles then Farage and then Robinson. That is why some of the nasty extreme right Brexiteers only occasionally show their teeth, but will increasingly do so if things get awkward. The one topic however that they have trouble keeping under wraps is racism. Its like an involuntary tic.

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[JonnyF]

18 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

Most close minded people ...

My mind is open.

 

Open to trading with the whole world, not just a small part of it.

Open to controlling our fishing waters.

Open to controlled immigration based on the needs of the country, not the country that issued the passport.

Open to setting our own laws.

Open to spending tax payers money on the UK, not on EU net beneficiaries.

Open to respecting the result of the democratic referendum.

Open to being able to democratically select/remove who runs the country, not leaving it to unelected EU officials.

 

If you need a comfort blanket that's fine, I have faith in the UK to succeed without being tied to the EU's apron strings.

 

[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

It seems there are racists within the arch remainers which you are keeping stum about.

 

so she says with no examples  - and if there was racist abuse against her I and the vast majority of remainers would condemn it without reservation. period. Many leavers keep quiet when some of their more vociferous champions start spouting the bilge. Not all leavers are racist but all racists are leavers. 

[wilcopops]

3 hours ago, Bruntoid said:

Can you show the evidence for that or are you talking a load of rollocks.

People who demand evidence in the middle of an argument usually have been told sometime they were unaware of and don't have an argument or an answer ... QED

[WeekendRaider]

better a small food shortage and chaos hits them first.  it really helps. 

example the 1995 Chicago heat wave, when the next heatwave occurred it was handled much better.  everyone is better prepared.

for the UK, preparation for Climate Change which was never about ice melting in 2100 (that story was merely a political agenda).  it was always about food and social chaos, as well as extended grid failures during heat waves and on the emissions side of it ("mitigation" it's called).... that was always about air travel and tourism.  as the first baby step, a total abeyance on all commercial and private air travel.  it's why we didn't do anything to scale in time before it became an extinction event...... as well as why Roger Hallam was busted by the British government earlier today... it's even why we elected a POTUS who owns expensive golf resorts and fancy hotels, we know he will reject doing anything except adaptation {a better border wall and a US Space Force for radiation management).    

[SheungWan]

I for one agree with Garvan Walshe. I think ignoring democracy would be a much bigger issue than the unknown outcome of leaving in the first place.

Pure waffle.

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[SheungWan]

It seems there are racists within the arch remainers which you are keeping stum about.
 

Both lot of extremists should be booted.

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[zorrow424]

3 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Both lot of extremists should be booted.

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Ah! still talking the talk, Brexit was immigration control,added to by NDs. Well its more than definitely being delivered on time,just forty odd days left,delivered automatically.

 I think the Spanish have the best benefit system,one year and that is it,make your own way after that,yes agree anyone wanting more should be booted,France is a good place to start,or even better eire,what a perfect solution

[Krataiboy]

7 hours ago, stephenterry said:

Do you seriously consider that leaving the EU on a no-deal basis is best for Britain? If so, you are deluded, sorry. 

Why?

Because about 48 million people aren't going to agree with you. I can't wait for the November 2019 election to see the tory party and johnson and his right-wing cronies - and a no-deal Brexit - get ditched. 

The only thing May got right was that no deal was better than a bad deal. And be careful what you wish for in the next election. Labour governments have a nasty habit of destroying jobs and ramping up the national debt.

 

Under the current administration, despite Brexit uncertainty and dumb Remoaners endlessly rubbishing the economy, employment is at record levels and real wage growth at a two-year high - and still rising. 

 

Post Brexit, the forecast is for Britain to overhaul France and boom as Europe's second largest economy after Germany. This obviously won't happen if Corbyn gets the chance to impose his mooted four-day week and other utopian socialist nonsense.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/28/britains-economy-set-boom-become-largest-europe-brexit/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget/

 

 

 

 

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Right now, he is in third place for the Hard Brexiteers and why he is little mentioned. How it works is that Boris is in pole position. If Boris stumbles then Farage and then Robinson. That is why some of the nasty extreme right Brexiteers only occasionally show their teeth, but will increasingly do so if things get awkward. The one topic however that they have trouble keeping under wraps is racism. Its like an involuntary tic.

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Reminds me of you.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

The 5 stages of Spartan Brexiter grief ;

1) Denial - seeing plenty of that.

2) Anger - will blame all but themselves.

3) Bargaining- Nope had their chance.

4) Depression- well at least Sterling will have risen .

5) Acceptance - Need to find something else to get angry about.

You going to make a movie out of that story?

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

so she says with no examples  - and if there was racist abuse against her I and the vast majority of remainers would condemn it without reservation. period. Many leavers keep quiet when some of their more vociferous champions start spouting the bilge. Not all leavers are racist but all racists are leavers. 

Not what she says. 

[Slip]

32 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

The only thing May got right was that no deal was better than a bad deal. And be careful what you wish for in the next election. Labour governments have a nasty habit of destroying jobs and ramping up the national debt.

 

Under the current administration, despite Brexit uncertainty and dumb Remoaners endlessly rubbishing the economy, employment is at record levels and real wage growth at a two-year high - and still rising. 

 

Post Brexit, the forecast is for Britain to overhaul France and boom as Europe's second largest economy after Germany. This obviously won't happen if Corbyn gets the chance to impose his mooted four-day week and other utopian socialist nonsense.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/28/britains-economy-set-boom-become-largest-europe-brexit/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget/

 

 

 

 

Interesting- I am no economist, but here are a couple of graphs that I have taken from the web and adjusted by colourising the bars to show red for labour governments and blue for conservative.  They don't seem on the surface of it to agree with your comments, but I am happy to be corrected.

 

 

original graph sources:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/UK_Debt_to_GDP_ratio.png

https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/tutor2u-media/subjects/economics/unemployment_rate_uk_LFS.png?mtime=20160405150224