lannarebirth Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 18 minutes ago, sirineou said: I am a progressive voter but I don't understand it though, what would giving $1,000 a month for a year to 10 america's accomplice? Am I missing something? It is a prelude to giving it to 200 million + Americans. Like you, many people can't seem to wrap their heads around UBI. It's is a real life demonstration for those who don't understand it's importance as society transitions to a society where compensated work, for many, is either uncompensated or made irrelevant by AI and automation. That's a one paragraph sketch. Here's a deeper dive if you're interested: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, sirineou said: is it even legal? Of course it is legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 45 minutes ago, sirineou said: Ok I get it, did some more research and it seems to be a marketing scheme to direct traffic to his website. I guess in the hopes that he gets emails, gets people involved in his campaign and perhaps receiving more in campaign contributions than the $120,000 he spends. I agree that a basic income is inevitable, but IMO we not there yet politically, and a ten people pilot program will not change that. If he spent $120,000 on a 30 second TV ad, I doubt anyone would know anymore about UBI than they already do, or don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendejo Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 50 minutes ago, sirineou said: I am a progressive voter but I don't understand it though, what would giving $1,000 a month for a year to 10 america's accomplice? Am I missing something? Yeah, my first thoughts were sleazy "win a new iPhone!" type sweepstakes where they gather your info (well, at least your email address), maybe even hit you up for a donation, which could possibly lead to an underhanded automatic continuing donation scheme that is near impossible to get out of. Throw in a little Publisher's Clearing House factor, where the mark thinks they may have a better chance of winning the fortune if they actually buy something. I started watching a fictional TV series called "Becoming a God in Central Florida" (dumb name) about a pyramid scheme, aka multi-level marketing. Maybe I'm a little too wary of things that come off like that these days. If this guy wins the primary (yeah, right) imagine the anti-Asian hatred that will be generated on the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lannarebirth Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, bendejo said: Yeah, my first thoughts were sleazy "win a new iPhone!" type sweepstakes where they gather your info (well, at least your email address), maybe even hit you up for a donation, which could possibly lead to an underhanded automatic continuing donation scheme that is near impossible to get out of. Throw in a little Publisher's Clearing House factor, where the mark thinks they may have a better chance of winning the fortune if they actually buy something. I started watching a fictional TV series called "Becoming a God in Central Florida" (dumb name) about a pyramid scheme, aka multi-level marketing. Maybe I'm a little too wary of things that come off like that these days. If this guy wins the primary (yeah, right) imagine the anti-Asian hatred that will be generated on the right. I don't think so. Yang is one of only two Democrat contenders (the other being Bernie) that over 10 percent of Trump voters have said they would vote for. I agree the announcement seemed gimmicky but less so than lying to the public which is what every other candidate did. Also, I have to acknowledge that I am old and do not fully understand modern media and how it influences decision making. Google Trends following the debate had Yang trending highest in 44 states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlinclaifornia Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 22 hours ago, Puchaiyank said: From my perspective...Andrew Yang, a non-politician, is best candidate for the young democratic base to get excited about. Successful, articulate, with desperately needed fresh ideas to save a party that is being moved far left of average Americans... Watching the old school Democrats sparring is painful... My son from Reno NV also says he wants him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlinclaifornia Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 17 hours ago, Boon Mee said: What a passel of clowns. Not one of them have a clue. Trump is going to roll right over any one of these far left socialists like a Mack truck. thanks for the good laugh Want to bet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlinclaifornia Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 12 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said: It's clear they haven't a clue. Not even the faintest Idea what a Socialist actually is. American values, that appears to be an oxymoron from what was said here. So if the Dems tax people it is stealing from the rich, when the GOP tax people what do we call that. What a wonderful value keeping assault weapons in the hands of nutters so the can commit mass murder of civilians. US healthcare, over twice as expensive as anywhere else in the OECD. Insurance companies and Hospitals making an absolute killing, to achieve what, the same life expectancy as Cuba. Join the civilized world USA and stop profiteering from human misfortune and misery. Reading some of the right wing (Right of Attila the Hun in fact) comments here it's hard to believe that the US is on the same planet. It has been taken over by the Farengi. The idea that people should have the right to profit from every form of another person's human activity, is obscene. Warren/Beto sounds good, I don't think Warren/Harris would work, it is still a thinly disguised misogynistic society, IMHO. Warren - Castro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagged Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 17 hours ago, Boon Mee said: What a passel of clowns. Not one of them have a clue. Trump is going to roll right over any one of these far left socialists like a Mack truck. Trump is a joke and a clown, not necessary to say anything else. Trash at its best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Tagged said: Trump is a joke and a clown, not necessary to say anything else. Trash at its best That's not fair to real clowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, roobaa01 said: that was neither a debate nor a clash at an fairy tale telling coven of unelectable political fools, who tried to impress the public with their socialist science fiction. social science fiction which cannot be financed and leads like almost all socialist ideas to higher taxes. meanwhile aocortez sees miami vanishing into the ocean the usual dem climate <deleted>. a pitty the the dem idiot squad does not run for presidency. anyway the debate winner donald of trump wbr roobaa01 As this was a DEMOCRATIC party debate somehow I think the opinions of hard core "trump" fans should rationally be greatly devalued. Such true believers in dear leader wouldn't be supporting any democratic candidate under any circumstances. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Based on where we're at now which can change on a dime and acknowledging Biden is still the front runner, the candidate in the strongest position appears to be WARREN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobaa01 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Please stop with Kellyanne Conway catch phrases. There are NAUSEATING. Suspecting and investigating potential involvement of "trump" with the Russians was well warranted and still is. Let's see his taxes, OK? Let's see his business involvement with Russian oligarchs, OK? Don't forget the OBSTRUCTION of justice cases either. as for the debate of the dems unelectables quite a few scratching their heads about blunder and gaff star biden. also trump is still sitting president and are going to be. wbr roobaa01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 1 minute ago, roobaa01 said: as for the debate of the dems unelectables quite a few scratching their heads about blunder and gaff star biden. also trump is still sitting president and are going to be. wbr roobaa01 The fact that any current president is still sitting (in this case tweeting) during her term is of no relevance whatsoever. That's the baseline. All of the democrats are electable. You can rant and rave till the cows come home that they aren't, but it comes off as DESPERATE just like dear leader who knows he's sinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 A post containing off topic trolling comments has been removed as well as the off topic replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chokrai Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 How desperate the Democrats must be to consider any of these clowns for president. Biden has Alzheimer's and he is the front runner. The mind boggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 How desperate the Democrats must be to consider any of these clowns for president. Biden has Alzheimer's and he is the front runner. The mind boggles.So what's your source for that Biden diagnosis?I think the only one on that stage that can credibly be called a clown is Yang. Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Bill Maher floated an interesting theory. It was if the convention ends up deadlocked between Biden and Warren that the natural compromise candidate could be Amy Klobuchar. Unlikely but interesting. Her only other chance now is if Biden dramatically crashes. Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 9 hours ago, Jingthing said: As this was a DEMOCRATIC party debate somehow I think the opinions of hard core "trump" fans should rationally be greatly devalued. Such true believers in dear leader wouldn't be supporting any democratic candidate under any circumstances. Cheers. Dismissing the opinions of others is how the dems lost the last time. Some people never learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 8 hours ago, roobaa01 said: as for the debate of the dems unelectables quite a few scratching their heads about blunder and gaff star biden. also trump is still sitting president and are going to be. wbr roobaa01 Trump farts and it generates a thread with 15 pages. It is sort of telling that this thread is struggling to get up to 5 pages. That's how little excitement the dems are generating. They can't deliver one single thing they promise in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, Cryingdick said: Dismissing the opinions of others is how the dems lost the last time. Some people never learn. If all, or most, "others" were the same as that part of the electorate up for grabs, you might have a point. But they aren't, so you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chokrai Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: So what's your source for that Biden diagnosis? I think the only one on that stage that can credibly be called a clown is Yang. Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Biden looked so pathetic I could almost feel sorry for him if he wasn't so corrupt. What kind of people are behind his run for president that are so cruel they would let him continue to make a fool out of himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 17 minutes ago, chokrai said: Biden looked so pathetic I could almost feel sorry for him if he wasn't so corrupt. What kind of people are behind his run for president that are so cruel they would let him continue to make a fool out of himself. Mainstream democrats. He's massively popular among African-Americans. Your post is mean spirited and hard to take seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olfu Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Ok--democrats? I remember comrade Slick Willie who was chasing chicks, then came comrade who promised Fundamental Change, now we have comrade who promise fix immigration--in reality its same talking and more talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 1 hour ago, chokrai said: Biden looked so pathetic I could almost feel sorry for him if he wasn't so corrupt. What kind of people are behind his run for president that are so cruel they would let him continue to make a fool out of himself. And what do you think Trump looks like? You really think Biden looks corrupt compared to Trump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 50 minutes ago, olfu said: Ok--democrats? I remember comrade Slick Willie who was chasing chicks, then came comrade who promised Fundamental Change, now we have comrade who promise fix immigration--in reality its same talking and more talking. The Putin loving "comrades" are on the president's side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, bristolboy said: And what do you think Trump looks like? You really think Biden looks corrupt compared to Trump? He's not wrong and neither are you. Why would anyone vote for any of these septugenarians of either party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Just now, lannarebirth said: He's not wrong and neither are you. Why would anyone vote for any of these septugenarians of either party? Well, Biden has one big thing in his favor: he's not Trump. And, as usual, you try to mitigate the awfulness of Trump by focusing on what he has in common with an opponent rather than on the huge differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, bristolboy said: Well, Biden has one big thing in his favor: he's not Trump. And, as usual, you try to mitigate the awfulness of Trump by focusing on what he has in common with an opponent rather than on the huge differences. No, I'm not. Trump's awful no question. That said none of these 3 70+ y/o candidates is going to pass even one of their policies if they don't have coattails to take the Senate. None of them appear to, so they are all wasted votes IMO. No Senate, more divisiveness, and lots of young people who will have seen nothing but divisiveness and animus in their lives and it becomes the political and societal norm, which is extremely dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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