lannarebirth Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Jingthing said: Bill Maher floated an interesting theory. It was if the convention ends up deadlocked between Biden and Warren that the natural compromise candidate could be Amy Klobuchar. Unlikely but interesting. Her only other chance now is if Biden dramatically crashes. Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app I think the odds of a brokered convention are high. Klobuchar is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puchaiyank Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 9:31 AM, Tug said: Joe is right we can’t afford Medicare for all as much as I wish we could I’m still thinking it will be joe Biden and Harris on the ticket smart practical experienced tough and appealing unifying race and gender I see your point...they compliment each other perfectly...Joe can utter incoherent babble...Harris can lie about what was said and threaten to jail anyone who says differently...???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 On 9/12/2019 at 10:31 PM, Tug said: Joe is right we can’t afford Medicare for Why is it that less wealthy countries can and we can not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puchaiyank Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, sirineou said: Why is it that less wealthy countries can and we can not? It's called greed...hospitals, medical personnel, administrators and pharmacies are all in on the ruse...contribute to political campaigns which allow them to continue to boost prices with little control from the government... Government should put caps on costs of medical goods and services...???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 20 minutes ago, Puchaiyank said: It's called greed...hospitals, medical personnel, administrators and pharmacies are all in on the ruse...contribute to political campaigns which allow them to continue to boost prices with little control from the government... Government should put caps on costs of medical goods and services...???? Yes but not only them. Something rarely discussed but ugly is the greed of the large portion of Americans that feel they are doing fine with their health care coverage. The main groups are -- Elders on Medicare. Will they really support everyone getting similar without "earning" it? I doubt it. Wealthier Americans with good jobs and good private coverage paid for by their employers. A national health plan means they get a downgrade. They get this massive benefit UNTAXED. Will they really support a downgrade for themselves? I doubt it. Sanders is right. For access to all at much lower overall costs private insurance must go. But good luck with getting that done politically. It won't happen. Tragically the only way to make any progress in the truly FUBAR U.S. health system is by incremental messy imperfect steps. The USA could have / should have had a real national health system after World War 2 as did the UK. But that historical opportunity was lost forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 26 minutes ago, Puchaiyank said: It's called greed...hospitals, medical personnel, administrators and pharmacies are all in on the ruse...contribute to political campaigns which allow them to continue to boost prices with little control from the government... Government should put caps on costs of medical goods and services...???? We also have a part to play. Many of as don't even bother to vote,Other ignore the most important part of the democratic process, The nominating stage!!! By the time we get to the general election the stage is set. The nominating process is dominated by the extremists in either camp who are motivated by their extremism. so in the end we get choices such as Hillary and trump. we have no one but ourselves to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puchaiyank Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, sirineou said: We also have a part to play. Many of as don't even bother to vote,Other ignore the most important part of the democratic process, The nominating stage!!! By the time we get to the general election the stage is set. The nominating process is dominated by the extremists in either camp who are motivated by their extremism. so in the end we get choices such as Hillary and trump. we have no one but ourselves to blame. Money moves politics...not votes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 20 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Sanders is right. For access to all at much lower overall costs private insurance must go Why cant we have both? In Europe where they have nationalised health coverage, there still private insurance companies that provide supplemental insurance coverage. I am covered by my employer, (Blue Cross Blue Shield) medicare for all would not need change that, BCBS would become a supplemental provider. The costs to the Employer would remain the same, because any increases to support medicare for all would be mitigated by the reductions in premiums to BCBS in another words , we would be removing the BS from BCBS LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, Puchaiyank said: Money moves politics...not votes... Most of the time, until people had enough and the pitchforks come out. Have we had enough yet? Perhaps not I have contributed the $1 to Steyer to try and include him in the debates , only to hear what he had to say. And have made a sizable (for me) contribution to E, Waren because I like her candor and energy. Other than talk What have you done? This is a rhetorical question I don't know you and I am not being critical of you? please forgive me if it sounds as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, sirineou said: Most of the time, until people had enough and the pitchforks come out. Have we had enough yet? Perhaps not I have contributed the $1 to Steyer to try and include him in the debates , only to hear what he had to say. And have made a sizable (for me) contribution to E, Waren because I like her candor and energy. Other than talk What have you done? This is a rhetorical question I don't know you and I am not being critical of you? please forgive me if it sounds as such. ^^^ By the way, people say that Steyer is trying to buy the nomination. If accused of that in the debate I have a Great comeback line for him, Yes I am , with my own money and individual contributions, whose money are you trying to buy the nomination with!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 21 minutes ago, Puchaiyank said: Money moves politics...not votes... at least you are not looking at this process with rosy glasses. From your Avatar I see that your glasses are Green LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 23 hours ago, Cryingdick said: Dismissing the opinions of others is how the dems lost the last time. Some people never learn. Dismissing the opinions of others has been GOP SOP for decades ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 23 hours ago, Cryingdick said: [Dems] can't deliver one single thing they promise in reality. Said every Republican before FDR strongarmed the original New Deal thru congress... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 20 hours ago, lannarebirth said: Why would anyone vote for any of these septugenarians of either party? Because they value ideas over age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 20 hours ago, lannarebirth said: none of these... ...candidates is going to pass even one of their policies if they don't have coattails to take the Senate. Please explain how many senators MLK needed to get change? WHAT? None you say... you mean you can affect political change in more than one way? Who knew! ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Puchaiyank said: It's called greed...hospitals, medical personnel, administrators and pharmacies are all in on the ruse...contribute to political campaigns which allow them to continue to boost prices with little control from the government... Government should put caps on costs of medical goods and services...???? 55555... good one P. In your first paragraph you perfectly describe U.S. capitalism and in the second you champion big government to counter capitalism. Did I see you at Biden's side at the last debate? ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puchaiyank Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Just now, mikebike said: 55555... good one P. In your first paragraph you perfectly describe U.S. capitalism and in the second you champion big government to counter capitalism. Did I see you at Biden's side at the last debate? ???? It is not about a free market place vs socialism...it is about price gouging the public when they are most vulnerable...healthcare costs are a runaway train...someone needs to put the brakes on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 2 hours ago, sirineou said: Why cant we have both? In Europe where they have nationalised health coverage, there still private insurance companies that provide supplemental insurance coverage. I am covered by my employer, (Blue Cross Blue Shield) medicare for all would not need change that, BCBS would become a supplemental provider. The costs to the Employer would remain the same, because any increases to support medicare for all would be mitigated by the reductions in premiums to BCBS in another words , we would be removing the BS from BCBS LOL. So... you just described the damn bill Bernie wrote. M4A with insurance companies providing supplemental coverage for anything and everything not covered by M4A. Employers would have all medical insurance burdens removed to concentrate on their core business and you deal directly with BCBS for your supplemental insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 2 hours ago, sirineou said: ^^^ By the way, people say that Steyer is trying to buy the nomination. If accused of that in the debate I have a Great comeback line for him, Yes I am , with my own money and individual contributions, whose money are you trying to buy the nomination with!! Or he could just come back with, "I want a return to times when really rich people could buy elections. Darn Citizens United decision took rich folks corruption and gave it to freaking Corporations". OR... the U.S. could publically fund elections and seriously curtail the corruption... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, Puchaiyank said: It is not about a free market place vs socialism...it is about price gouging the public when they are most vulnerable...healthcare costs are a runaway train...someone needs to put the brakes on! No one said it was. It is about the inherent greed of capitalism vs big government. If you believe big govt is needed to control capitalism in health care it becomes incredibly difficult to argue against big govt regulations in every other sector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Garvie Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 30 minutes ago, mikebike said: No one said it was. It is about the inherent greed of capitalism vs big government. If you believe big govt is needed to control capitalism in health care it becomes incredibly difficult to argue against big govt regulations in every other sector. I just read about a pill for Diabetes that cost the NHS c. 5$ and in the US it was over $300. Capitalism is worldwide with few exceptions, it works, but every country has some basic form of social provision. The more civilized and affluent a country becomes the greater the level of social provision. Even the US surprise, surprise, has a reasonable level of it. I think the rich learned a long time ago that if you make the life of the poor intolerable then you end up on the guillotine. There are areas that should be run by government, and some not. Health, Social work, Prisons, the Legal system, should never be run for profit. Only those vile enough to espouse "The obscene capitalism red in tooth and claw" would think otherwise. Sadly it appears the US has quite a few of these people. I agree there is no necessity for government to regulate where it is not necessary, but I would have no difficulty arguing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chokrai Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 God help America if any of these members of the Insane Clown Posse becomes President. The living will envy the dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 5 hours ago, chokrai said: God help America if any of these members of the Insane Clown Posse becomes President. The living will envy the dead. I beg to differ. I think the vast majority of Americans would find not having an unfit shambolic twitter troll in the white house to be rather a relief. Not to mention the rest of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
off road pat Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 4:31 AM, Tug said: Joe is right we can’t afford Medicare for all as much as I wish we could I’m still thinking it will be joe Biden and Harris on the ticket smart practical experienced tough and appealing unifying race and gender Think about that one, The USA gives yes GIVES billions of Dollars to Israel every year !!! Israel has Universal Health care for all !!! And the USA can not afford universal health care for its own citizens ??? and I'm not even mentioning the huge waste of money every time They bomb a country !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, off road pat said: Think about that one, The USA gives yes GIVES billions of Dollars to Israel every year !!! Israel has Universal Health care for all !!! And the USA can not afford universal health care for its own citizens ??? and I'm not even mentioning the huge waste of money every time They bomb a country !!! Wow. You found a way to demonize Israel on a topic that has nothing to do with Israel. Is there a prize for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 13 hours ago, chokrai said: God help America if any of these members of the Insane Clown Posse becomes President. The living will envy the dead. If ever there was an instance of cluelessness, it's a Trump supporter questioning the sanity of Trump's potential opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 9:31 AM, Tug said: Joe is right we can’t afford Medicare for all as much as I wish we could I’m still thinking it will be joe Biden and Harris on the ticket smart practical experienced tough and appealing unifying race and gender You could if you spend a bit less on "defense" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chokrai Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 5 hours ago, bristolboy said: If ever there was an instance of cluelessness, it's a Trump supporter questioning the sanity of Trump's potential opponents. Cluelessness is not being scared to death of any of those Bozos being president, the country would be a smoking ruin after 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Cluelessness is not being scared to death of any of those Bozos being president, the country would be a smoking ruin after 4 years.Vomitous. Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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