Jadam Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 This was sent to my office yesterday from our local immigration office. Could this be the end of TM30? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post berybert Posted September 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2019 There are no competent officials. ignore it. 4 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hashmodha Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 This was sent to my office yesterday from our local immigration office. Could this be the end of TM30? Thank goodness...Please excuse spelling mistakes/Grammar and Misunderstandings!Best Hash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BritTim Posted September 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2019 I think this is referring to the TM28 which has anyway rarely been required in the past. The TM30 (theoretically the landlord's problem, but often imposed on you) is still needed. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jadam Posted September 13, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, BritTim said: I think this is referring to the TM28 which has anyway rarely been required in the past. The TM30 (theoretically the landlord's problem, but often imposed on you) is still needed. They haven't specified the form number. They've said we don't need to report changes in address. So as far as I'm concerned, we don't. They can't say "don't do it" and then fine us for not doing it. As far as reporting yourself on behalf of your landlord, it never should have happened in the first place. It completely defeats the purpose of the rule. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted September 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2019 Nothing new. It is only for section 37 of the immigration act for address reporting. Only these 2 clauses are waived. "3. Shall notify the police official of the local police station where such alien resides, within twenty – four hours from the time of arrival. In the case of change in residence in which new residence is not located the same area with the former police stations , such alien must notify the police official of the police station for that area within twenty – four hours from the time of arrival. 4. If the alien travels to any province and will stay there longer than twenty – four hours , such alien must notify the police official of the police station for that area within forty – eight hours from the time of arrival." It mentioned in this line for section 37. "The provision of ( 3 ) and ( 4 ) shall not apply to any cases under Section 34 by any conditions as prescribed by the Director General." 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadam Posted September 13, 2019 Author Share Posted September 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: Nothing new. I respect you Joe, but I disagree. This is huge news. It means no more re-filing TM 30 after staying overnight in another province. The wording states "...aliens are not required to report..." which to me says they aren't going to hold us responsible for failing to report a change. Either they will change/do away with the system or they will shift the responsibility to the landlord (which they should have done a long time ago IMO). 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) So what exactly does it mean. When you move permanent address you/wife/landlord only has to do once??? If you go on holiday out of Thailand you/wife/landlord doesn't have to do when you return 'home'? If you leave BKK and go to CM for a week and the hotel does report you then do you/wife/landlord have to do a new TM30?? Edited September 13, 2019 by overherebc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jackdd Posted September 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jadam said: I respect you Joe, but I disagree. This is huge news. It means no more re-filing TM 30 after staying overnight in another province. This is about TM28, not about TM30. TM28 has not been enforced anyway, so no change. So as ubonjoe said: Nothing new. Except maybe some more confusion for foreigners who don't understand the difference between TM28 and TM30. Edited September 13, 2019 by jackdd 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadam Posted September 13, 2019 Author Share Posted September 13, 2019 Just now, jackdd said: This is about TM28, not about TM30. TM28 has not been enforced anyway, so no change. Who says it's about TM28? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jackdd Posted September 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Jadam said: Who says it's about TM28? The law / ministerial order regarding TM28 says exactly what they wrote in this pictures, which makes it quite clear that this is about TM28. Other than that, they write "aliens are not required". Aliens were never specifically required to do a TM30, but the landlord / possessor had to do a TM30 for an alien who stays at his place. So if this were about TM30 they would have written: It's no longer required to inform the competent official if an alien is staying at your place (or something similar to this) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted September 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jadam said: Who says it's about TM28? All you have to do is read the immigration act. Section 37 is for address reporting which is a TM28 form. Section 38 is for reporting of your residence using a TM30 form. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmen Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, jackdd said: This is about TM28, not about TM30. TM28 has not been enforced anyway, so no change. Phuket office just enforced t28 via announcement on TV few days back .? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackdd Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, madmen said: Phuket office just enforced t28 via announcement on TV few days back .? Can of course be, then i didn't see this news yet. But most foreigners are exempt from TM28, as we can see from this picture. Then Phuket has just become less attractive for people or retirement or marriage visas/extensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, madmen said: Phuket office just enforced t28 via announcement on TV few days back .? Be interesting to know what is said next week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hgma Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 i wait for official newspaper clarification, it's been broadly posted in several Thai and English newspapers in Thailand, until then, i report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadam Posted September 13, 2019 Author Share Posted September 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, overherebc said: Be interesting to know what is said next week. Well said. I maintain my opinion that, regardless of article number, form number, etc. this is big news and things are changing for the better. This might be the beginning of the end of the TM30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dumbastheycome Posted September 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2019 Regardless of interpretation otherwise where does this exempt expat long stayers? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tayaout Posted September 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2019 They don't list retirement and those on non-o based on marriage. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazar Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 hour ago, berybert said: There are no competent officials. ignore it. Best quote of the day !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazar Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 16 minutes ago, Tayaout said: They don't list retirement and those on non-o based on marriage. Or people with one leg and a parrot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NanLaew Posted September 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Tayaout said: They don't list retirement and those on non-o based on marriage. Exactly. Since they specifically aren't mentioned, it doesn't apply to them. This looks like a slight pull back by Thai Immigration and probably only benefits those qualifying under the specifically mentioned visa classes and more importantly, foreigners working legally here. Edited September 13, 2019 by NanLaew sp 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mavideol Posted September 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2019 it's not for the ones with retirement/extension of stay 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TallGuyJohninBKK Posted September 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jadam said: They haven't specified the form number. They've said we don't need to report changes in address. So as far as I'm concerned, we don't. They can't say "don't do it" and then fine us for not doing it. The graphic you posted above ticks off a bunch of different visa categories... but notably missing from that list is either marriage or retirement. FWIW. But perhaps, if correct, it's a way to get the chambers of commerce and big corporations off their backs -- and leave the retirees and married non-working folks who have no organized advocates here to continue to be screwed. Edited September 13, 2019 by TallGuyJohninBKK 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lashay Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 50 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: All you have to do is read the immigration act. Section 37 is for address reporting which is a TM28 form. Section 38 is for reporting of your residence using a TM30 form. Yet the whole issue over last few months is they were using TM30 as an temporary address update and residence form combined. Hence the <deleted> of you go stay overnight elsewhere and then either you or landlord had to do it all over again. Your legal residence does not change if you go on holiday. While early days highly optimistic this is them walking back whole thing in typical Thai manner, first they misapplied the law and then after fightback repeal wrong law to make whole thing go away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritTim Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 In theory, the TM30 has never been about the foreigner reporting his address. In practice, if not staying in a hotel, immigration has usually found it convenient to force you to get the housemaster to satisfy the TM30 requirement, and to pay the fines. I will be amazed if the TM30 is going away without any announcement, or if immigration will suddenly decide to chase housemasters themselves rather than put the onus on the foreigner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) That was my first thought looking at OP. Never considered the TM28 requirement to be unreasonable, but the 24 hour leash was unrealsitic and over-controlling. Most folks are busy unpacking boxes and getting utilities organized after a house move. Those with jobs are still going to work in and among all that. But sure, you need to notify relevant government agencies that you've moved..... same in my country. I think doing away with this might be tossing a bone to the dogs, while the TM30 remains the elephant in the room. Or, one of a few things they've worked out and this was just the first........ we'll see. Edited September 13, 2019 by 55Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onera1961 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) I never cared about TM28 or TM30 unlike scared farangs who are afraid to pay a meager fine of less than $100 if and when needed. This news does not have any effects on me. Edited September 13, 2019 by onera1961 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackdd Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Jadam said: Well said. I maintain my opinion that, regardless of article number, form number, etc. this is big news and things are changing for the better. This might be the beginning of the end of the TM30. Nothing changed, these people have been exempt since 40 years. Somebody at immigration just made a picture out of a ministerial order from 40 years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 55Jay Posted September 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2019 Just now, onera1961 said: I never cared about TM28 or TM30 unlike scared farangs who are afraid to pay a meager fine of less than $100 if and when needed. This news does not have any effects on me. It's not about you. Nor is it just a matter of a paultry 800 Baht fine. TM30 represents a creeping encroachment upon fairly basic liberties, even for Thailand. These types of things, if left unchallenged, tend to get more ridiculous. It was time "someone" stood up and said something. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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