Can foreigner on retirement visa apply for gun permit

[Catoni]

5 minutes ago, scorecard said:

And I add; how can it be OK for teenagers (many of them not yet fully rational adults) to carry sidearms in classrooms and also teachers allowed to carry guns in classrooms. In other words ins a somewhat confined space where other immature kids can grab the sidearm when the student is not paying attention to the whole matter and or same with the teacher.

 

And, especially for the teacher that's not even looking at the fact most teachers don't have training in how to respond in a class room setting and therefor putting more danger into the situation

for more kids.

 

Thank god I grew up in a country where private citizens are horrified at the idea of guns in the community and strongly support and new or adjusted legislation etc., to ensure guns are kept out of the community. 

 

   What country was that?

 

”...to ensure guns are kept out of the community.”

  Yeah...out of everyone’s hands except for the criminals and the state. 

    Nice. 

[Bluetongue]

Its barely been mentioned but I live in a very rural area. I see snakes every day. Most of them are harmless but I have seen big black cobra's. As in Australia if you get a large brown snake in close proximity to your house you might want to shoot it. I have dogs that bark at intruders, there are quite often Thai males sneaking around at night doing god knows what. I've had the wire cut on my fence but I think usually the cacophony scares them away. I wouldn't dream of confronting them with a handgun, but I do have access to a shotgun if I ever need it for a snake. Every so often I take it up the back and shoot a few cans to smithereens just to keep my eye in. The ammo is rarely bought but comes through the village supply system, I think the village pooyai bahn has an official shot gun. I believe that if I acquired a hand gun, which have been offered, word would get around making me more of a target for blackmail or otherwise.

[Catoni]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

I disagree with the part that the balanced people shoot the unbalanced ones. How often has a normal person not police shot one those people on a shooting spree ? Don't think it has ever happened. So its kinda a moot point.

As for your brother he lives on a ranch, wildlife and other things about. Then guns are a tool and useful. Different story in crowded places like cities. The problem is too many stupid people get guns. I would not want a drunk neighbor owning a gun. Then I might have to get one to protect myself. That is how you get an arms race and a totally crazy situation.

 

I don't like golf but guns are fun for target shooting or stuff like that. But I just don't like them in the hand of just everyone like in the US. Too dangerous as has been proven already.

     And when the good, law-abiding people are all disarmed and their guns confiscated, then the guns are dangerous in the hands of the oppressive dictator government. 

  (Nazi Germany, communist Soviet Union, communist China, Pol Pot and his communist Khmer Rouge, the socialist worker’s paradise of North Korea et al.)

[Matzzon]

3 hours ago, MAGA 2020 said:

Because the liberals and morons are everywhere 

And therefore all synics and dumbnuts need a gun. Why don´t you change your handle to Warmonger instead?

[mikecha]

18 hours ago, haymanpl said:

 

I think there's Pro's and Con's to living in Thailand however Thai people need to treat people equally and in this country, that's still not happening.

 

Sometimes i feel like a second hand citizen, like there's 1 law for Thai's and 1 for farung.

 

I would just like to see the country move forward and improve.

second hand citizen   then leave quick

[Russell17au]

1 hour ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

But it happened to me and my family. It only takes the once. As we're told 'be prepared'. In fact my story goes on to what to do after the likes of that happening. In our case my missus couldn't stop shaking for days and couldn't sleep. We live in a village where the police live within the community. The day after our break-in a policeman friend came around and gave me an old revolver plus bullets so as to calm my missus down. Now this was going back a few years and I asked what would happen if I shot an intruder with this. All he said was not to worry '1500 baht will sort out any problems'. I kept the gun for a few months before returning it.

 

No license is the best way forward IMO. Ask your friendly local copper where to get. He'll probably have a few spare or know of where to get.

So the intruder enters your bedroom with his gun in his hand and you have your gun in your hand so you fire your gun and hit the intruder but as a reflex action he fires his gun and the bullet hits your wife and kills her.

I would prefer to hand my money and things over to the intruder instead of any possibility of any of my loved ones being injured or killed by my actions.

Guns are for military, police, security agents and people that use them for sports shooting.

[Nyezhov]

13 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Are you so scared, you need a knife all the time?

Maybe he needs to cut his Srai Grok into more bite size pieces as opposed to trying to eat it hot off the grill spurting boiling juices and fat?

 

Or maybe he found a brown spot in his farang? Or was just DYING for a pineapple but no cut ones were available? Or maybe he was constructing a laundry rack from cord and curtain poles and needed to cut some paracord (want a pic, it works great, I had to cut the cord with a lighter). or maybe he cleans his pipe or cuts into a bringk of it. Or slicing a cucumber or peeling a street apple?

 

I mean a Swiss Army knife does have more uses than jumping off a building stabbing folks like an elderly John Wick.

 

Hey maybe you have a knife crime problem in your little country, wherever it may be.

[1FinickyOne]

18 hours ago, haymanpl said:

Thai people need to treat people equally and in this country, that's still not happening.

Yeah? Where is that happening? 

 

In USA there is two-tier pricing for people who come from out of state and sometimes out of county... ie state schools and county golf courses... and many more examples... 

 

Not to mention varying degrees of justice depending upon race and poverty levels... 

[Catoni]

45 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

I don't disagree with you, especially when considering Thais with guns. Very bad mixture for the most part. Honestly guns scare me to the point of even realizing that if you shoot, that bullet is going more than 10 yards. Just had some kid in Thailand shoot his rifle at a lizard or something and hit the person riding on the bicycle on the street which was a bit of a distance away. Out of the city area in a semi out of the way area, but Murphy's law was the bullet hit the guy in the head dead.. No common sense what so ever. In the USA it is young little punks with guns who get really cocky. I have had them pulled on me a couple of times. 

 

That’s what firearm’s training courses are for, before you are allowed a Firearms Licence-Aquisition and Possession Permit. 

   Mine was good for both non-restricted and also restricted weapons. 

    Yes, lots of legal hoops to jump through. But I owned and had rifles, shotguns and handguns at home...including .303 Lee Enfields, a lovely 30.06 M1 Garand,

  Nice 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser M-38 short rifles, and yep...a Colt, 5.56 (.223) AR-15, Remington 870 12 gauge pump, various handguns including a nice Ruger “Old Army” .44 (.45) black powder revolver in stainless steel.  

 (I had to pop-rivit my AR-15 30 round mags to hold only 5 rounds when they put restrictions on magazine capacity.)

    All owned and possessed legally by me in peaceful ‘ole Canada. ????????

   Yes, in my home country of Canada. 

    67 years old....shooting since the age of 7. 

Edited September 16, 2019 by Catoni
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[Nyezhov]

5 minutes ago, Russell17au said:

So the intruder enters your bedroom with his gun in his hand and you have your gun in your hand so you fire your gun and hit the intruder but as a reflex action he fires his gun and the bullet hits your wife and kills her.

I would prefer to hand my money and things over to the intruder instead of any possibility of any of my loved ones being injured or killed by my actions.

Guns are for military, police, security agents and people that use them for sports shooting.

Thats you dude. Other folks dont give it up, especially if they are responsible gun owners and are trained. I for one would rather die on my feet than on my knees. And if someone is in my house with a gun? My wife and I are dead anyway. Only the sickest of the sick enter anothers home armed. Every REAL burgler knows they have two risks: getting caught and getting shot. If the former and they are armed, then they as a professional know thats about a tough a felony as they can catch outside of criminal homicide. These days, I might not shoot some unarmed dude with my stereo (been there done that), but if I see someone coming through the door with a gun or knife, say buh bye. If they are that f**ked up to enter a strangers home armed, then all bets are off. 

 

But Im in Thailand and the chances of me being the victim of an intentional crime where a firearm is involved is infinitesimally small. So unarmed is OK. 

 

 

 

 

[ancharee]

43 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Oh OK, I see the english is better now wot wot.

 

This is a thread about Thailand, and for me to try to educate folks with no training in firearms, little knowledge about firearms and no tradition of freedom, self reliance and self defense would be far off topic.

Yeh Dude. well spotted this thread is about Thailand but as most threads go sometimes people comment on other places, you have done so on your own posts, also you would not be capable of educating me on firearms, I spent many years in the British armed forces and also several trips to your 101st airborne at Fort Campbell, So when you were the hero of the day and stopped the shooter with your gun the media coverage must have been epic, perhaps you could send a link to that shooting. 

[Catoni]

39 minutes ago, scorecard said:

And I add; how can it be OK for teenagers (many of them not yet fully rational adults) to carry sidearms in classrooms and also teachers allowed to carry guns in classrooms. In other words ins a somewhat confined space where other immature kids can grab the sidearm when the student is not paying attention to the whole matter and or same with the teacher.

 

And, especially for the teacher that's not even looking at the fact most teachers don't have training in how to respond in a class room setting and therefor putting more danger into the situation

for more kids.

 

Thank god I grew up in a country where private citizens are horrified at the idea of guns in the community and strongly support and new or adjusted legislation etc., to ensure guns are kept out of the community. 

 

    In certain areas of the U.S. you may find a few teachers allowed to be armed. 

    But in the reports I heard, they are teachers who are well trained and passed weapons courses and are licensed to carry. 

     They aren’t just going to give up to any teacher and give them a 9mm Glock and say “Okay, you’re designated gun carrier to defend the school now.” 

[Catoni]

37 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Are you so scared, you need a knife all the time?

Listen pal, we were taught in Cubs, and more so in Scouts, to carry a multi-tool form of knife similar to a SAK and also in scouts we began carrying a fixed blade sheath knife. 

    I’ve carried a Victorinox SAK ever since..(except on planes. I purchase another one when I land)...more than half a century. And I don’t apologize to anyone for doing so. 

   Are you some kind of smart _ _ _?

[Suradit69]

19 hours ago, haymanpl said:

 

I think there's Pro's and Con's to living in Thailand however Thai people need to treat people equally and in this country, that's still not happening.

 

Sometimes i feel like a second hand citizen, like there's 1 law for Thai's and 1 for farung.

 

I would just like to see the country move forward and improve.

You're not a citizen, first, second or third hand.

 

in most countries foreigners who have not become citizens are not treated equally with citizens and their status could quickly turn to deportee if they  think they're legally equal, especially if they use guns to claim equality.

 

Youre not interested in seeing the country move forward or improvie by waving a gun about in an attempt to remediate  your feelings of inadequacy. Many Thais and farang would feel that denying you a gun makes Thailand ahead of any country that would allow you to arm yourself.

[Catoni]

12 minutes ago, ancharee said:

Yeh Dude. well spotted this thread is about Thailand but as most threads go sometimes people comment on other places, you have done so on your own posts, also you would not be capable of educating me on firearms, I spent many years in the British armed forces and also several trips to your 101st airborne at Fort Campbell, So when you were the hero of the day and stopped the shooter with your gun the media coverage must have been epic, perhaps you could send a link to that shooting. 

    Apparently there’s lots of successful self defense shootings by law-abiding gun owners in the U.S.  but most of the mainstream media ignore those defensive shootings, or else bury the story half way through the paper in a small half column article to keep it quiet. 

   They want to report only the bad criminal shootings and blame it on the gun...   

[scorecard]

13 minutes ago, Catoni said:

    In certain areas of the U.S. you may find a few teachers allowed to be armed. 

    But in the reports I heard, they are teachers who are well trained and passed weapons courses and are licensed to carry. 

     They aren’t just going to give up to any teacher and give them a 9mm Glock and say “Okay, you’re designated gun carrier to defend the school now.” 

But it still comes back to why allow any guns anywhere in a school? And if needed why not have some solid checking of what comes into the school, every person, every day?

[moe666]

Never needed a gun in America and do not need one in Thailand, I feel much safer here than I do in America. 

[david555]

3 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

are you talking about Thailand? Is your wife Thai? There is a big difference between you a farang carrying a gun which is highly illegal and your wife who could possibly get a permit. The Op was asking about if he can carry. The answer is no.

 

and yes, i do have a "safe" room in Thailand.

 

and I am an American and a former member of the NRA, I had a huge pile of ammo, a Glock 27, a AK47 SLR95, a Walther P22 with a suppressor and a Mossberg 500A tactical shotgun so I now all about shooting people through walls. 

 

but I sold it all to come to live with the peaceful and beautiful people of Thailand.  

 

Waw …, you sure must feel " naked " now ….5555 lol

[Russell17au]

15 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Thats you dude. Other folks dont give it up, especially if they are responsible gun owners and are trained. I for one would rather die on my feet than on my knees. And if someone is in my house with a gun? My wife and I are dead anyway. Only the sickest of the sick enter anothers home armed. Every REAL burgler knows they have two risks: getting caught and getting shot. If the former and they are armed, then they as a professional know thats about a tough a felony as they can catch outside of criminal homicide. These days, I might not shoot some unarmed dude with my stereo (been there done that), but if I see someone coming through the door with a gun or knife, say buh bye. If they are that f**ked up to enter a strangers home armed, then all bets are off. 

 

But Im in Thailand and the chances of me being the victim of an intentional crime where a firearm is involved is infinitesimally small. So unarmed is OK. 

 

 

 

 

You have used three words that says it all and there are not many of what you say around. Those three words are "responsible gun owner". Responsible people don't need a gun to protect their property because they prefer to use other safer means of protecting their property and their loved ones. There is no need for a gun in the private home.

[NCC1701A]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

Waw …, you sure must feel " naked " now ….5555 lol

sometimes i miss my shotgun but in 5.5 years in Thailand I have never felt threatened except by the police so a gun is useless.

 

 

[Nyezhov]

1 minute ago, Russell17au said:

You have used three words that says it all and there are not many of what you say around. Those three words are "responsible gun owner". Responsible people don't need a gun to protect their property because they prefer to use other safer means of protecting their property and their loved ones. There is no need for a gun in the private home.

OK you get the last word. ????

[david555]

7 minutes ago, NCC1701A said:

sometimes i miss my shotgun but in 5.5 years in Thailand I have never felt threatened except by the police so a gun is useless.

 

 

surprised to see the Beretta px4 Storm subcompact 9mm was not in your list …...enough for close defense

Edited September 16, 2019 by david555

[Catoni]

2 minutes ago, scorecard said:

But it still comes back to why allow any guns anywhere in a school? And if needed why not have some solid checking of what comes into the school, every person, every day?

I guess you never heard of the cases of nut jobs breaking into schools and murdering some teachers and kids. 

     How are you going to stop a mad man with a rifle at the school door with checking ? 

   Do you expect him to calmly hand his rifle over? Remember, he came there to kill. 

    He’ll just shoot his way in. 

  Better hope you have a couple of teachers in the building well trained and carrying Glocks or similar. 

    And it’s not always in the U.S. it’s happened in other countries also with lots of kids getting shot up in schools or on field trips. (Examples off the top of my head...Norway, Canada)

[holy cow cm]

25 minutes ago, Catoni said:

That’s what firearm’s training courses are for, before you are allowed a Firearms Licence-Aquisition and Possession Permit. 

   Mine was good for both non-restricted and also restricted weapons. 

    Yes, lots of legal hoops to jump through. But I owned and had rifles, shotguns and handguns at home...including .303 Lee Enfields, a lovely 30.06 M1 Garand,

  Nice 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser M-38 short rifles, and yep...a Colt, 5.56 (.223) AR-15, Remington 870 12 gauge pump, various handguns including a nice Ruger “Old Army” .44 (.45) black powder revolver in stainless steel.  

 (I had to pop-rivit my AR-15 30 round mags to hold only 5 rounds when they put restrictions on magazine capacity.)

    All owned and possessed legally by me in peaceful ‘ole Canada. ????????

   Yes, in my home country of Canada. 

    67 years old....shooting since the age of 7. 

So what's your point? I have handled guns and shot since around 6 or 7 as well. I had an SK and other rifles and my brother has AR's, shot guns, pistols of all sort, Winchester, Carbines and who knows what ever else. He carries a 9mm where ever he goes and is an advocate of gun safety. Just in Thailand, that thinking does not work for the most part, and in the USA it is easy to get a gun no problem. So again what is your point? Even gun training doesn't stop the nut case. And I am all for being able to own them. 

[Catoni]

8 minutes ago, Russell17au said:

You have used three words that says it all and there are not many of what you say around. Those three words are "responsible gun owner". Responsible people don't need a gun to protect their property because they prefer to use other safer means of protecting their property and their loved ones. There is no need for a gun in the private home.

>”...they prefer to use other safer means of protecting their property and their loved ones.”

          Like what? Curious minds would like to know. 

[Nyezhov]

7 minutes ago, david555 said:

surprised to see the Beretta px4 Storm subcompact 9mm was not in your list …...enough for close defense

Horrible ergonomics

[david555]

3 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Horrible ergonomics

A bulldog dog isn't also not a beauty.....

[NCC1701A]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

surprised to see the Beretta px4 subcompact 9mm was not in your list …...enough for close defense

i just realized i mistakenly typed Glock 27.   i had a Glock 23.   .40 caliber compact. 

 

https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g23

 

 

 

[Catoni]

5 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

So what's your point? I have handled guns and shot since around 6 or 7 as well. I had an SK and other rifles and my brother has AR's, shot guns, pistols of all sort, Winchester, Carbines and who knows what ever else. He carries a 9mm where ever he goes and is an advocate of gun safety. Just in Thailand, that thinking does not work for the most part, and in the USA it is easy to get a gun no problem. So again what is your point? Even gun training doesn't stop the nut case. And I am all for being able to own them. 

Are you smoking funny green stuff??

 You said, quote:

    “Honestly guns scare me to the point of even realizing that if you shoot, that bullet is going more than 10 yards.“

         So what were you doing with all those firearms then huh? 

      I wouldn’t expect a person so scared of guns that he has owned or owns them and had so much to do with them. 

   My point was well trained law-abiding citizens are a hell of a lot safer with firearms than criminal with guns and no firearms training. 

    You’re quite free to disagree if you wish. 

 

[Russell17au]

1 minute ago, Catoni said:

>”...they prefer to use other safer means of protecting their property and their loved ones.”

          Like what? Curious minds would like to know. 

There are many different systems that you could use like security systems for doors and windows that stop any intruder from entering, which is a lot better and safer than having a gun in the house. I used to be licenced and carry a Smith and Wesson .38 special for 10 years and then upgraded to a Gloc G19 gen 5 for 5 years until I retired from the industry. I have yet to see anyone be able to recognize anyone in the dark room, all you see is an outline and you cannot recognize them but you are willing to shoot that shadow. What if it is one of your children? What if some other member of the family gets their hands on the gun and plays with it until it fires and kills them? How many of you have looked along the top of the barrel at a human shadow and actually pulled that trigger knowing that you have just killed someone?