Do I Cause A Problem With My Retirement Visa Going To Myanmar "Raynong" To Gamble For A Night Opon Re-entering Thailand When My Renewal Date Is Less Than 2 Months Away.

[TypeApersonality]

Good Evening, Sorry for the long winded Title, I want to bring my dad for his 81st birthday tomorrow crossing at Ranong to Myanmar so he can go to the casino for a night., A friend told me I better check first because my retiremnt Visa is expiring Nov 15, opon re-entering Thai Immigration wont be able to give me my normal 90 stamp.

Thank You!

 

Mark

[ubonjoe]

If you have a valid multiple entry non-o visa you will get a new 90 day entry as long as you do it before the date it expires.

[TypeApersonality]

Thanks for your reply, I do have a valid multiple entry non-o visa but I wont be able to get 90 days because its renewal date is 60 days, how does that work then? Thanks, Mark.

Edited September 15, 2019 by TypeApersonality

[ubonjoe]

Your visa is valid up to the date it expires. You would get a new 90 day entry on the date it expires when you enter the country.

The valid until date is just that. After you enter the country it means nothing.

You have nothing to worry about if your visa is still valid when you enter the country.

 

[TypeApersonality]

OK ubonjoe, thanks for clearing that up, I guess my dad is going to get to have some Casino fun on his 81st, have a good week!  Mark.

[elviajero]

1 hour ago, TypeApersonality said:

Thanks for your reply, I do have a valid multiple entry non-o visa but I wont be able to get 90 days because its renewal date is 60 days, how does that work then? Thanks, Mark.

Are you sure you have valid ME visa and not a 1 year extension of stay (often known as a "retirement visa") with 60 days left before renewal?

 

If it is the latter you will need a re-entry permit and will be given 60 days on re-entry.

[TypeApersonality]

elviajero, I`ve had the same Retirement visa for 5 years, I have to renew once a year for another one year stay and every 90 days check in with Immigration, where would it say on my passport if I have a ME Visa?

Also if I have to get a 60 day re-entry permit would that cause any problems when I renew for another year Nov-15th? Thanks, Mark.

[elviajero]

17 minutes ago, TypeApersonality said:

elviajero, I`ve had the same Retirement visa for 5 years, I have to renew once a year for another one year stay and every 90 days check in with Immigration, where would it say on my passport if I have a ME Visa?

Also if I have to get a 60 day re-entry permit would that cause any problems when I renew for another year Nov-15th? Thanks, Mark.

What you have is an extension of stay (permit) that you renew each year. Your original visa is no use for any future entries.

 

There will be no problem going to the casino, but you will need to get a re-entry permit (1,000 baht) to keep your extension alive. It’s best to get it from your local office before the trip.

 

Neither the trip to Myanmar or the re-entry permit will not affect your renewal in November.

[TypeApersonality]

OK elviajero, Thanks for the clarification, they have a very nice immigration office where you take the ferry across to Myanmar in Rarnong, I think you can get an re-entry Visa there? its kind of a one stop shopping atmostphere to cater to all of the people doing there Visa run.

Thanks Again!

Mark.

 

 

elviajero, I`ve had the same Retirement visa for 5 years, I have to renew once a year for another one year stay and every 90 days check in with Immigration, where would it say on my passport if I have a ME Visa?

Also if I have to get a 60 day re-entry permit would that cause any problems when I renew for another year Nov-15th? Thanks, Mark.

[elviajero]

37 minutes ago, TypeApersonality said:

OK elviajero, Thanks for the clarification, they have a very nice immigration office where you take the ferry across to Myanmar in Rarnong, I think you can get an re-entry Visa there? its kind of a one stop shopping atmostphere to cater to all of the people doing there Visa run.

Thanks Again!

Mark.

You probably can get a re-entry permit at the border. I haven’t been there in years so I can’t confirm. Personally I wouldn’t leave it to chance and would get it in advance. If you leave and return without a re-entry permit your extension of stay will be lost.

 

37 minutes ago, TypeApersonality said:

elviajero, I`ve had the same Retirement visa for 5 years, I have to renew once a year for another one year stay and every 90 days check in with Immigration, where would it say on my passport if I have a ME Visa?

Also if I have to get a 60 day re-entry permit would that cause any problems when I renew for another year Nov-15th? Thanks, Mark.

No problem.

[TypeApersonality]

Yes, you are probably right, better safe than sorry, Things are getting very Dicey these days anyway, Thanks, Mark.

[LukKrueng]

Seems you're a bit confused or unaware of what you have and how it works.

if you've been living in Thailand for the last 5 years and only go to immigration every 90 days for a 90 days report + once a year for an extension, what you have is not a visa, but a permit/extension of stay based on retirement. This permit allows you to stay for 1 year between extensions (November to November in your case), but if you want to go out of Thailand you must get a reentry permit (single our multiple according to how many times you want to travel out of Thailand). That reentry permit allows you to return to Thailand and stay for the reminder of your existing permit of stay. That means that if your permit to stay expires on November 15th, whenever you come back to Thailand you will be stamped with permit to stay until November 15th, by which time you'll have to go to immigration as you do every year to get another year extension. If you don't get a reentry permit before you leave Thailand, when you come back you'll get a30 days visa exempt permit (depending on your nationality) and you'll have to start over like you did 5 years ago.

 

[Colabamumbai]

9 hours ago, TypeApersonality said:

OK elviajero, Thanks for the clarification, they have a very nice immigration office where you take the ferry across to Myanmar in Rarnong, I think you can get an re-entry Visa there? its kind of a one stop shopping atmostphere to cater to all of the people doing there Visa run.

Thanks Again!

Mark.

 

 

elviajero, I`ve had the same Retirement visa for 5 years, I have to renew once a year for another one year stay and every 90 days check in with Immigration, where would it say on my passport if I have a ME Visa?

Also if I have to get a 60 day re-entry permit would that cause any problems when I renew for another year Nov-15th? Thanks, Mark.

I think you will need a re entry permit to keep your visa valid, but its my first coffee. 

[jacko45k]

4 minutes ago, Colabamumbai said:

I think you will need a re entry permit to keep your visa valid, but its my first coffee. 

Re-entry Permits have no effect on Visas, they keep/ protect a permission to stay date. 

[soisanuk]

1 hour ago, LukKrueng said:

Seems you're a bit confused or unaware of what you have and how it works.

if you've been living in Thailand for the last 5 years and only go to immigration every 90 days for a 90 days report + once a year for an extension, what you have is not a visa, but a permit/extension of stay based on retirement. This permit allows you to stay for 1 year between extensions (November to November in your case), but if you want to go out of Thailand you must get a reentry permit (single our multiple according to how many times you want to travel out of Thailand). That reentry permit allows you to return to Thailand and stay for the reminder of your existing permit of stay. That means that if your permit to stay expires on November 15th, whenever you come back to Thailand you will be stamped with permit to stay until November 15th, by which time you'll have to go to immigration as you do every year to get another year extension. If you don't get a reentry permit before you leave Thailand, when you come back you'll get a30 days visa exempt permit (depending on your nationality) and you'll have to start over like you did 5 years ago.

 

A good explanation.  Unfortunately, many confuse a "visa" with a "permission to stay" -- even Immigration officials often refer to annual extensions of permission to stay dates for purpose of retirement as being extensions of retirement "visas" which just adds to the confusion.

 

"Visa" - whether it is Tourist or Non-Immigrant, it is placed in your passport and is used for entry into the country that issues it, e.g., Thailand.  The visa will have an "enter by" (expiration) date after which it is no longer valid for "entry." If it is a single entry visa, it will be stamped "used" upon entry. If it is a multiple entry visa, it can continue to be used for "entry" until it (the "visa") expires. The type of Visa will determine the number of days you will be permitted to stay when entering Thailand.  Thus, if your entry can be on or before the expiration date, you will still be granted a permission to stay for the period authorized by the type of "visa" - usually 60 days for Tourist, 90 days for most Non-Immigrant, and 365 days for a Non-Immigrant category O-A.

 

"Permission to Stay" - This is the stamp given by Immigration that will tell you how long you are permitted to stay in Thailand - it will have an until "date" after which you will be on overstay unless granted an extension to that date by Immigration.  For retirees using the category "O" Visa rather than "O-A", the first permission to stay is 90 days - after 60 days, they can apply to Immigration for an extension to their "permission to stay" of one year and continue to do so annually thereafter.

 

"Re-Entry Permit" - This is needed from Thai Immigration if you plan to leave Thailand and want to keep your current permission to stay valid. It can be single or multiple and will expire on the date of your latest "permission to stay" date.  When you re-enter Thailand, you will be as noted by LukKrueng: " That reentry permit allows you to return to Thailand and stay for the reminder of your existing permit of stay. That means that if your permit to stay expires on November 15th, whenever you come back to Thailand you will be stamped with permit to stay until November 15th".  Please note, if returning to Thailand using a Re-Entry permit, put the Permit Number in the space on the new TM.6 arrival card for putting a Visa number (I usually suggest that the TM.6 card be placed in the passport at the page where the Re-Entry stamp is located to bring it to attention of Immigration Officer when entering as it is not that uncommon for the Immigration Officer to not notice it and give you a Visa Exempt permission to stay of only 30 days).

 

 

 

 

 

[moontang]

You will have a new arrival card, mandating a tm30 update in most provinces. 

[Suradit69]

14 hours ago, TypeApersonality said:

elviajero, I`ve had the same Retirement visa for 5 years, I have to renew once a year for another one year stay and every 90 days check in with Immigration, where would it say on my passport if I have a ME Visa?

Also if I have to get a 60 day re-entry permit would that cause any problems when I renew for another year Nov-15th? Thanks, Mark.

Sounds like You don't have a retirement visa or any kind of visa, you have an extension of stay based on retirement. Some of the things you say are very confusing, but you should get a re-entry permit before leaving or you're going to lose what you have when you return. Your father may need one too depending his immigration status.

[Suradit69]

3 hours ago, Colabamumbai said:

I think you will need a re entry permit to keep your visa valid, but its my first coffee. 

Why use the word "visa" when there's already enough confusion in this thread. Re-entry permits have nothing to do with the validity of a visa.

[TypeApersonality]

LukKrueng & soisanuk  Yes, everytime I go back to the USA, which is about every 8 months or so, I have to get that re-entry permit, what a pain! I took my 81 Y.O. father back to Thailand to live with us in Feb and take care of him here who has Parkinsons with my blended Thai family, I got his retirement Visa at the Thai Embassy in Chicago, the people were so nice and got his retirement Visa O-A in 3 days, his has multi-entry on his, thats the one I want ???? Maybe my attorney in bangkok got me that one to begin with years ago but now like you said, its just an exstintion, soisanuk , Nov 15 when this expires, can I get an O-A Retirment Visa instead? I might get the marriage Visa instead, that was just a recent suggestion by my German beach neighbor here in Ban Saphan who has that one. elviajero, my father and I just got back from Raynong/Myanmar, I went to the local Immigration office in Raynong to get my re-enty permit, small office and not too busy, when I was there, only a group of Myanmar people with their Thai Agent getting all of their Visa`s in order probably for the company they all work for? Everyone was super nice and joyful, I was in and out in 20 minutes, upon leaving the ferry at Andaman Club Ranong pier, we were able to leave my dads wheelchair in my truck and they bring you to the boat with a golfcart and when you get to the Island they take you in a golfcart up to the hotel and there they will let you use one of their wheelchairs for the whole time you stay there, the only negative is they dont have any electric wheelchairs as they do back in the States at all Casinos which makes it so easy and the handicap person has their own independence to go from slot machine to slot machine without anyone pushing them around all night, I should write a separate story on Thaivisa about that for anyone in a wheelchair? One thing I was a little suprized about was upon entering Myanmar, Immigration charged us 950 baht each to enter the country. We did pay the Andaman Club at the Rayong pier 950 baht each for the full service R.T. boat ride which included the $10 bill paid to Myanmar, ect, the hotel was 2900 baht for 2 of us which included the breakfast buffet, I have to say even though the property was built 23 years ago, its just beautiful and the views in every direction are nothing short of spectacular.

Anyway, thanks guys!  Mark.

 

 

Edited September 19, 2019 by TypeApersonality

[soisanuk]

14 hours ago, TypeApersonality said:

LukKrueng & soisanuk  Yes, everytime I go back to the USA, which is about every 8 months or so, I have to get that re-entry permit, what a pain! I took my 81 Y.O. father back to Thailand to live with us in Feb and take care of him here who has Parkinsons with my blended Thai family, I got his retirement Visa at the Thai Embassy in Chicago, the people were so nice and got his retirement Visa O-A in 3 days, his has multi-entry on his, thats the one I want ???? Maybe my attorney in bangkok got me that one to begin with years ago but now like you said, its just an exstintion, soisanuk , Nov 15 when this expires, can I get an O-A Retirment Visa instead? I might get the marriage Visa instead, that was just a recent suggestion by my German beach neighbor here in Ban Saphan who has that one.

The Non-Immigrant O-A Visa can only be obtained at a Thai Embassy in your country of residence.  It not only requires proof of meeting the financial requirements (money in bank, monthly income, or combination of the two), but also a Medical Certificate (Embassy/Consulate usually provides form to use, which is a certification that you don't have certain communicable diseases or, as I recall, alcoholism which are set out in Immigration law as being bars to entry into Thailand) and a Police Report (no criminal record).  

 

Your father's O-A Visa being multiple entry allows departure and return to Thailand for the validity period of the Visa (it will have an enter by date, that is when the Visa expires). While valid, upon each entry, the holder receive a one year "permission to stay."  So, even if returning just before the Visa enter by date, the holder will still get another one year permission to stay, e.g. enter by date is September 30, 2019 and the holder enters on September 29, 2019, they will get a permission to stay until September 2020.  But, if they travel outside of Thailand after the expiration date of the VISA (9/30/19 per example), then they will need a Re-Entry permit to keep their existing "permission to stay"  date. Within 30 days of your father's permission to stay date, he can apply for a one year extension of that date.

 

As to your situation, as mentioned, you cannot get an O-A Visa unless you return to your country of residence.  You can apply for another extension of stay of one year up to 30 days before your Nov 15 date (some Immigration offices allow 45 days) getting an extension until Nov 15, 2020.  As to marriage visa - while the financial requirements are less, there is more paperwork involved.  As I understand it, the approval must come from Bangkok, so the local Immigration office will grant a 30 day "under consideration" extension to allow time for the approval process.  Also, this may entail a home visit by Immigration Officers to verify you and your wife live together and also may require the appearance of witnesses to verify it.  So, best you check into what is required by your local Immigration Office and then decide what steps you wish to take.

 

[TypeApersonality]

soisanuk, Yes, good to know all of above, I found a new agent in Hua Hin, closer to Ban Saphan than my Bangkok Attorney, my friend here has been using her for years, I could probably do it myself but its just so easy when a Thia does it for me, I might go for the marriage Visa this time, What I should have been doing over the years since I go back to America once a year anyway, just time it and always get the new O-A Visa through my lady that helped my dad get his, she was top notch and didnt charge that much, had his in 3 days with the Chicago Thai Embassy, that way I would always have the O-A with multi-entry, thats the only way to go.

Thanks and have good weekend!  Mark.