webfact Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Future of energy: What Thailand can learn from Finland, Denmark Besides being among the world’s happiest nations, Finland and Denmark have another thing in common: They are both equally ambitious to become the world’s first carbon-free country. Finland’s left-leaning coalition government, which came to power in the elections in April this year, has embarked on a daring plan to make the country carbon neutral by 2035. And its ultimate aim is to make Finland the first fossil fuel-free country. While the plan definitely sounds ambitious, a quick look at what the country has accomplished so far in dealing with climate change should remove any doubts about how achievable it is. Briefing a group of Thai journalists visiting Helsinki recently, Pekka Gronlund, deputy director general at the Ministry of Economic Affairs and Employment, pointed out that currently 38 per cent of the country’s energy consumption is from renewable energy sources, mainly wood. Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/future-of-energy-what-thailand-can-learn-from-finland-denmark/ -- © Copyright Thai PBS 2019-09-16 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quandow Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 I just finished watching Netflix' "Chasing Coral." I we don't take drastic measures to reduce global carbon emissions real soon, our kids and their kids will be eating soylent green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Nick Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 What Thailand can learn...?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Thailand with Prayut will never learn anything as they will push ahead with 3 coal fired projects in the not so far future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mok199 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 In a land where 8-10 street vendor plastic bags/person/day ,is the average, and one day environmental wars ,are just an opportunity to showboat and selfie ,then forgotten in 23 hours....the environment is just another cash cow ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryClarke Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Carbon-free Thailand? This is a loong way. Even rich countries in Europe have problems with that. But, with the correct mindset and more importantly, the education, it is achievable. But not within 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadbury Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 1 hour ago, quandow said: I just finished watching Netflix' "Chasing Coral." I we don't take drastic measures to reduce global carbon emissions real soon, our kids and their kids will be eating soylent green. What are these carbon emissions you speak glibly about? Are they black particles of soot or something. Was it an Al Gore documentary you watched? I was always under the impression it was the gas carbon dioxide CO2 that was the big bogyman and the alleged threat to life on earth. CO2 which is that gas which is invisible, colourless, odourless and that makes up 0.0391 percent (391 parts per million) of the earth's atmosphere and keeps the trees alive which in turn produces oxygen which we humans need to survive. No CO2 = no trees = no oxygen = no humans.......CO2 is the elixir of life. If there is anything Thailand could do to help preserve life on earth it would be to stop destroying forests and trees just to satisfy personal greed. https://www.masterresource.org/carbon-dioxide/myth-harmful-co2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 I didnt see anything mentioned in this article but... I wonder what Finland does with their rice field hucks in their attempt towards carbon neutrality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceKadet Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Seems they forgot to mention that 34% of Finland's power comes from the current 4 nuclear reactors, and with 4 more being build that will become over 60%. Also, currently, hydro accounts for 28%. So that's almost the whole country's requirement, and no need for those fugly wind generators. But I always said that nuclear is carbon neutral. Go green, go nuclear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycjoe Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Greed will be our end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Finland sold the distribution network to private and the price of electric shot through the roof. Never, ever do that mistake. Roads, rails, post and telecoms are some of the very few services that should be run commie style by the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, SpaceKadet said: Seems they forgot to mention that 34% of Finland's power comes from the current 4 nuclear reactors, and with 4 more being build that will become over 60%. Also, currently, hydro accounts for 28%. So that's almost the whole country's requirement, and no need for those fugly wind generators. But I always said that nuclear is carbon neutral. Go green, go nuclear! And of course the greens that managed to get into the cabinet are vehemently opposed to nuclear. They got sod all to do with actual preservation of nature but all to do with teenie girl emotions and faux activism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Thailand should learn they don't have the same favourable condition for windpower, as especially the Danes have perfected to exploit... sudden sporadic massive cyclone bursts are not the same as what (yearly average) happens in the (western) Baltic Sea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Nick Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 50 minutes ago, tifino said: Thailand should learn they don't have the same favourable condition for windpower, as especially the Danes have perfected to exploit... sudden sporadic massive cyclone bursts are not the same as what (yearly average) happens in the (western) Baltic Sea... A) you obviously have never been outside of your village, since f.e Phuket or Khao Lak quiet good wind all year round! B) and of course "solar" is not an option, in a country with approx. 400 days of sunshine a year!? This is the problem with climate deniers and nay- sayers all over the world! Maybe...just maybe...look what solutions are viable for each country and then try to go with that! But no...Thailand is not like the Baltic, so they should burn stuff for all eternity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Saint Nick said: A) you obviously have never been outside of your village, since f.e Phuket or Khao Lak quiet good wind all year round! B) and of course "solar" is not an option, in a country with approx. 400 days of sunshine a year!? This is the problem with climate deniers and nay- sayers all over the world! Maybe...just maybe...look what solutions are viable for each country and then try to go with that! But no...Thailand is not like the Baltic, so they should burn stuff for all eternity! Denmark/Finland would be more (significatly mostly) Wind than Solar, considering their far Latitudes... of course there will always be some choice seaside locations anywhere on Earth, that would be wind viable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quandow Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Cadbury said: What are these carbon emissions you speak glibly about? Speak "glibly" about? Shame on you. And, yes, it's not just carbon. Just about anything that is NOT renewable is polluting us to near extinction. I was staying with the main narrative, you pick nits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailand Noobie Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 In Finland have about 6 million people, In Thailand about 60 million, so it won't be easy to get at the same level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 1 hour ago, tifino said: Denmark/Finland would be more (significatly mostly) Wind than Solar, considering their far Latitudes. Denmark yes, Finland no. In winter months there can be days of dead calm. Solar is not working in the dark winter months either. The problem is storing generated energy to fill the gaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo in Thailand Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 6 hours ago, webfact said: Future of energy: What Thailand can learn from Finland, Denmark Thailand willing to learn ANYTHING from a farang country?! ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest1 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 4 hours ago, quandow said: I just finished watching Netflix' "Chasing Coral." I we don't take drastic measures to reduce global carbon emissions real soon, our kids and their kids will be eating soylent green. Yawn.....Global warming is a scam.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jimbo in Thailand said: Thailand willing to learn ANYTHING from a farang country?! ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????? but Finland is so close (physically) with Russia! that the wouldn't know the difference... Thailand looks up to Russia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, fforest1 said: Yawn.....Global warming is a scam.... Hi Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Eric Loh said: Thailand with Prayut will never learn anything as they will push ahead with 3 coal fired projects in the not so far future. "Thailand with Prayut will never learn anything as they will push ahead with 3 coal fired projects in the not so far future." Correct version. ???? Your welcome. (no blame attached to you Eric) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGW Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 5 hours ago, quandow said: I just finished watching Netflix' "Chasing Coral." I we don't take drastic measures to reduce global carbon emissions real soon, our kids and their kids will be eating soylent green. Your easily fooled! evidence posted below, you can't deny facts! but you can put a "spin" on them! If Thailand is smart they will continue to use "fossil fuels" which they are not, but won't get off track! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Saint Nick said: B) and of course "solar" is not an option, in a country with approx. 400 days of sunshine a year!? On which planet is this? Most countries on Sol-3 have 365.25 days in a year (Sol-4 might fit). But I agree solar is the way forwards here, if you only need power during the day of course. What we need is a balanced approach in which nuclear (yes, nuclear) has a place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Thailand will learn everything from them but do nothing.... Thailand is stuck in the plastic bubble! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman34014 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 How could 'The Greatest Nation On Earth' possibly ever learn anything from Farang ? Anyway; the Clowns who run this country are too busy emptying the Till to worry about such trivial matters ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Dude Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 One day countries will learn to get energy from what their climates and weather conditions dictate. Thailand will eventually figure out that it should start putting up solar panels on an industrial scale as it is beaming hot sunshine almost everyday, especially in the Northeast. Just have to bite the bullet and invest. I wonder how many rai of solar panels the cost of a submarine, a silly stimulus package or two or 20 tanks could buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisY1 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 The only thing Thailand would possibly learn from the countries is a few words of their respective languages..."can" and "no understand" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Christmas13 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 1 hour ago, hotchilli said: Thailand will learn everything from them but do nothing.... Thailand is stuck in the plastic bubble! You mean plastic bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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