Convicted in Norway - Can I get problems with immigration in Thailand? Please help

[Jason M]

I forged a income paper (paycheck from a company I didn't work for) and got a consumer loan of approx. 2.5 million thai bath in a Norwegian bank. I did it for approx. 1,5 year ago. I now have approx. 1 million bath left in my Thai wife's bank account, all my assets are in my wife's name and my wife runs a good business that we live by. I am now charged and will probably be convicted of forgery of papers in Norway. I have a Non - O visa based on marrige which I extend with one year each year at the local immigration office (I then transfer money from my wife 's bank account to my bank account which is there for 3 months). The question here is if I can get problems with the immigration office next time I apply for my extention of stay when I am a judged of forgery of papers in Norway? Can immigration in Thailand get to know this? As I don't own anything in my name, I guess I wont have any trouble with the money part...? And can I get problems at the border if I leave the country and specially when Im going back to Thailand? I know this was a stupid thing of me to do, but I would be happy for any advice on this. Thanks in advance.

[OJAS]

It may all depend on whether or not a warrant for your arrest has been issued in Norway, I think. And, if you need to face the music there at around the same time as your next marriage extension is due, you can probably kiss goodbye to any chances of obtaining this in any event.

Edited September 16, 2019 by OJAS

[BritTim]

If they know about the offence, there is a good chance you will be deported. Do your best not to let them find out.

 

While I try not to be too judgemental over people's behaviour, I am out of sympathy with the obtaining of money under false pretences.

 

If the money is in your wife's bank account, you will not be able to use it to apply for an extension of stay.

[cowbee]

IMHO. IF you transfer that loan money directly to your wife’s bank account, there’s a chance that your wife’s assets will be confiscated, but it depend whether the both country has bilateral agreement or not.


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[OJAS]

13 minutes ago, BritTim said:

If the money is in your wife's bank account, you will not be able to use it to apply for an extension of stay.

I think that you - like me - initially missed the following statement in the OP!

 

"(I then transfer money from my wife 's bank account to my bank account which is there for 3 months)"

[Inn Between]

The OP is the type of person who makes other's lives more difficult and more expensive by his selfish act(s). Crime, and especially financial crime, hurts us all, and I really don't understand why people would offer advice to help this person get around being punished appropriately. 

[OJAS]

6 minutes ago, Inn Between said:

The OP is the type of person who makes other's lives more difficult and more expensive by his selfish act(s). Crime, and especially financial crime, hurts us all, and I really don't understand why people would offer advice to help this person get around being punished appropriately. 

If his wife were to divorce him as a result of all this, his days in Thailand would almost certainly be limited in any event. In stark contrast to most Thai wives of foreigners, she seems to be more than capable of standing on her own 2 feet financially wihout any assistance from him!

[Nordude]

OP, they're not going to find out if nobody tells them, so keep your mouth closed. I know of some crazy drug users from Norway who come here time after time. They probably have extensive records, but (unfortunately) immigration doesn't have access to the Norwegian police records.

[Inn Between]

11 minutes ago, Nordude said:

OP, they're not going to find out if nobody tells them, so keep your mouth closed. I know of some crazy drug users from Norway who come here time after time. They probably have extensive records, but (unfortunately) immigration doesn't have access to the Norwegian police records.

Isn't this the type of thing the new immigration biometrics system is supposed to catch to ensure that these criminals are not getting into or staying in the country? And from what you're you saying, it's sounds like Norway isn't a good global partner by not allowing access to the records of its criminals, thereby exposing other nations to the worst of their citizens without fair access to information.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 16, 2019 by Inn Between

[amykat]

What is the penalty you are facing?  Are you planning to go back and face it?  You will need a passport again someday.  Maybe making some restitution with the remaining money would help the situation?  You might want to start thinking long term regarding your life so you can make it better, because short term thinking got you into this problem.

[timendres]

15 minutes ago, Nordude said:

OP, they're not going to find out if nobody tells them, so keep your mouth closed. I know of some crazy drug users from Norway who come here time after time. They probably have extensive records, but (unfortunately) immigration doesn't have access to the Norwegian police records.

Coming "from time to time" is a little different. However, the question is, "when does immigration check your police record in Norway?", and as far as I know it is only the first time you apply for your Visa. I do not think that they request new police reports for extensions. So it is entirely possible, barring an Interpol notice from Norway, that you will be able to renew the extension each year. Once you revert back to needing a Visa, then you will be looking at problems.

[Tanoshi]

7 minutes ago, Inn Between said:

Isn't this the type of thing the new immigration biometrics system is supposed to catch to ensure that these criminals are not getting into the country? And from what you're you saying, it's sounds like Norway isn't a good global partner by not allowing access to the records of its criminals, thereby exposing other nations to the worst of their citizens without fair access to information.

Thailand allows convicted criminals to enter.

It's only if they commit a crime in Thailand that concerns them.

[timendres]

7 minutes ago, amykat said:

What is the penalty you are facing?  Are you planning to go back and face it?  You will need a passport again someday.  Maybe making some restitution with the remaining money would help the situation?  You might want to start thinking long term regarding your life so you can make it better, because short term thinking got you into this problem.

This is a valid point. In the US, we have "misdemeanors" and "felonies". A felony will prevent getting a Visa from Thailand. A misdemeanor does not prevent it. So, with a good attorney, you may be able to avoid the felony conviction, although it sounds like a long shot.

[timendres]

39 minutes ago, Inn Between said:

The OP is the type of person who makes other's lives more difficult and more expensive by his selfish act(s). Crime, and especially financial crime, hurts us all, and I really don't understand why people would offer advice to help this person get around being punished appropriately. 

I give the OP credit for being honest about his situation and what he did, although I am sure any good attorney would be pulling his hair out at such a post. And no one is trying to help him avoid punishment in Norway. He simply asked advice about the marriage extension here. In no way would I assist someone in committing a felony, or illegally avoiding facing the consequences of said felony.

[BritTim]

2 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

Thailand allows convicted criminals to enter.

It's only if they commit a crime in Thailand that concerns them.

Only true insofar as Thai Immigration is unaware. Here are two reasons under Section 12 of the Immigration Act where Immigration is supposed to deny entry:

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 6.  Having been imprisoned by the judgement of the Thai Court; or by a lawful injunction; or by the judgement of the Court of foreign country, except when the penalty is foe petty offense or negligence or is provided for as an exception in the Ministerial Regulations.

 7.  Having behavior which would indicated possible danger to the public or likelihood of being a nuisance or constituting any violence to the peace or safety of the public or to the security of the public or to the security of the nation, or being under warrant of arrest by competent officials of foreign governments.

Note that Thai Immigration will generally be unaware of crimes committed outside Thailand, even if they have your fingerprints. The Thai authorities probably can access some information via Interpol, but only a tiny fraction of the committed crimes end up in Interpol's database (typically as a result of international arrest warrants).

[roamer]

I must confess I am not sure what you are asking here. Norway cannot charge you in absentia for the crime that you state? It can  charge you and convict you In absentia If you have been  bailed and failed to surrender to your bail. If that is the case you are a "bail jumper" which puts a totally different complexion on the case. Norway is nothing if not thorough, you will be the subject of an arrest warrant. Maybe not this year, or even the next but it will catch up with you, how will you renew your passport for example?

 

I will tell you now what you should do. You won't do it, but I will tell you anyway. 

 

Go home.

 

This is Norway we are talking about, Anders Brevik you are not. A slap on the wrist and you come back to Thailand and join the many, many, people who have made mistakes in their life and live here with no problem.

 

There is a huge, massive, difference in practical terms between a person who has served his sentence and someone who is on an arrest warrant. In your present position you risk being arrested and deported and never being allowed here again.

 

You made one mistake, don't compound it.

Edited September 16, 2019 by roamer
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[Matzzon]

I can just say that I sincerely hope they can find out. You should do the right thing and give yourself up, take your punishment and come back after you have grown up to be a person that can take responibilities for his actions and know whats right and wrong. That you are saying that "I knew it was wrong" is just BS. You are still living on the money, yes! Shame on you. And shame on you one more time for standing as a front figure of making us all look bad.

[sunnyboy2018]

The OP is a common criminal not a drug user. He has my sympathy coming from Scandinavia. Taxes, socialist,  feminist,  over run by muslims, cold, joyless robotic badly dressed , cultureless drunkards...please find another place to go....not Thailand. 

[Cloudy]

Are you planning on doing your sentence ? Or absconding ?


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[OJAS]

8 hours ago, timendres said:

Once you revert back to needing a Visa, then you will be looking at problems.

Definitely the case if he was over 50 and seeking a non-OA visa. Not so sure in the case of other non-imm visa types, though: the fact that there is a specific requirement for a criminal records check in support of a non-OA application does lead me to wonder whether or not embassies and consulates responsible for issuing visas have the necessary info to hand from alternative sources.

[TheThai]

You won't have any immediate problems but the problem will catch up to you when you need to re-new your passport.  Norway will have an arrest warrant issued and you will NOT be able to renew your passport. 

At that point you will have to decide whether you want to stay in Thailand without a valid passport and how you will get around immigration issues going forward, i.e. renewing your visa, 90 day reports, residence certificates. 

 

Edited September 17, 2019 by TheThai

[Tanoshi]

7 hours ago, BritTim said:

Only true insofar as Thai Immigration is unaware. Here are two reasons under Section 12 of the Immigration Act where Immigration is supposed to deny entry:

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 6.  Having been imprisoned by the judgement of the Thai Court; or by a lawful injunction; or by the judgement of the Court of foreign country, except when the penalty is foe petty offense or negligence or is provided for as an exception in the Ministerial Regulations.

 7.  Having behavior which would indicated possible danger to the public or likelihood of being a nuisance or constituting any violence to the peace or safety of the public or to the security of the public or to the security of the nation, or being under warrant of arrest by competent officials of foreign governments.

Is murder considered a petty offence in Thailand.

Not only do they allow known convicted criminals to enter Thailand, they allow them to start a business and obtain PR status.

[Jason M]

6 hours ago, roamer said:

I must confess I am not sure what you are asking here. Norway cannot charge you in absentia for the crime that you state? It can  charge you and convict you In absentia If you have been  bailed and failed to surrender to your bail. If that is the case you are a "bail jumper" which puts a totally different complexion on the case. 

I have not jumped bail and I have not got any sentence, I havent even been i Norway for 4 years... What I know is that I have been called in to court as an offender next month. I will not  be there and I have choosen to not send a lawyer to be there or do any talking whatso ever on my behalf. This will be in total absentia of me, so I dont have any ide if they even can sentence me...? And for all that call me a bad criminal here, that is not what I am - I dont have any sentence and Im not guilty of any crime until proven otherwise. Thanks for the answers so far....

[NCC1701A]

12 minutes ago, Jason M said:

I have not jumped bail and I have not got any sentence, I havent even been i Norway for 4 years... What I know is that I have been called in to court as an offender next month. I will not  be there and I have choosen to not send a lawyer to be there or do any talking whatso ever on my behalf. This will be in total absentia of me, so I dont have any ide if they even can sentence me...? And for all that call me a bad criminal here, that is not what I am - I dont have any sentence and Im not guilty of any crime until proven otherwise. Thanks for the answers so far....

 

[holy cow cm]

25 minutes ago, Jason M said:

I have not jumped bail and I have not got any sentence, I havent even been i Norway for 4 years... What I know is that I have been called in to court as an offender next month. I will not  be there and I have choosen to not send a lawyer to be there or do any talking whatso ever on my behalf. This will be in total absentia of me, so I dont have any ide if they even can sentence me...? And for all that call me a bad criminal here, that is not what I am - I dont have any sentence and Im not guilty of any crime until proven otherwise. Thanks for the answers so far....

Well honestly, take your chances and stop asking for opinions of advise here on TV as in the end if you don't go and get a warrant and it does get picked up by Thailand via Interpol, then you will be deported and will probably be black listed and lose your life here. If a court tells me to go, I go. 

 

Up to you and take your chances all around. But would be interesting if you did post back time to time telling everyone what's happening and happened. 

 

We all make mistakes, just depends on the severity of them.

 

 

[Myran]

6 hours ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

The OP is a common criminal not a drug user. He has my sympathy coming from Scandinavia. Taxes, socialist,  feminist,  over run by muslims, cold, joyless robotic badly dressed , cultureless drunkards...please find another place to go....not Thailand. 

I think you're confusing Norway with Sweden.

[SteveK]

OK so you've already made the mistake, I'm not sure how you thought you would get away with that or how you were able to borrow so much money on the basis of one payslip but I don't see the point criticising you over that now.

 

Presumably you have family, friends, maybe even a house, car etc in Norway? If so you're going to surely be going back there sooner rather than later and it would certainly work out better for you if you surrendered yourself rather than being arrested at Oslo airport.

 

If you have nothing in Norway and are fine with never going back there then you'll probably be OK until your passport expires. Your crime will not put you at the top of Interpol's most wanted list, and it's unlikely that an international arrest warrant would be issued. So you'd possibly be able to avoid justice until you have to go to the Norwegian embassy to renew your passport. You say you've been out of Norway for 4 years so the maximum you could have left is six years, and probably less.

 

Of course, there is a possibility that you are NOT tried and convicted in absentia, and can therefore renew your passport without any issues and continue to live in Thailand. However, I'm not sure I could live with the stress of not knowing what's going on and would rather get the issue cleared up, as some sensible others have stated here. Obviously someone in Norway is communicating with you or you wouldn't know any of this, so I would advise holding your hands up, being honest, and getting things sorted out.

[roamer]

1 hour ago, Jason M said:

I have not jumped bail and I have not got any sentence, I havent even been i Norway for 4 years... What I know is that I have been called in to court as an offender next month. I will not  be there and I have choosen to not send a lawyer to be there or do any talking whatso ever on my behalf. This will be in total absentia of me, so I dont have any ide if they even can sentence me...? And for all that call me a bad criminal here, that is not what I am - I dont have any sentence and Im not guilty of any crime until proven otherwise. Thanks for the answers so far....

 

You have this so wrong. First you admitted you were a criminal when you started the topic. Whether or not you have been convicted does not change that. Moral judgements aside, you are behaving like a complete idiot. Now we are getting a timescale as well, at least 4 years ago for a crime that is highly unlikely, extremely unlikely, to attract a custodial sentence in Norway. Instead you prefer the likely outcome of the court issuing a bench warrant with the almost inevitable result that you will eventually end up being deported from Thailand never to return. Another bad choice......

[Sujo]

Get a lawyer to attend on your behalf. Or better still, attend in person with a lawyer.

 

The court will adjourn the matter. You can then return to thailand.

 

In the meantime the prosecution documents will be provided.  The lawyer can then negotiate with prosecution. You then only need to be there for sentence or trial and that can take a long time.

 

But if u dont return you will not get bail.

 

best get it sorted now.

[Colabamumbai]

No unless interpol has a notice out for you.