UK's Johnson buffeted in Luxembourg, says Brexit deal emerging

[ThePioneer]

2 hours ago, mercman24 said:

the EU using IRELAND as an excuse, there are many EU countries that share a border with none EU countries, i did see it somewhere, but not to hand at this moment. and no problems at all. more scaremongering from the EU

Sure you must have seen that, but did you also notice that there was a border in place at those location?

[Baerboxer]

5 hours ago, tebee said:

I mean if they really want a deal, the UK must suggest something at least surely ?

 

In the early stages, no. See what the other side offers or suggests. But they have that, the backstop and a very bad deal. So yes, Boris and his clowns should put forward their Straw Man. But so far neither he nor any of them have put forward anything. No "Plan B" as promised; no alternative to the backstop or any other amendments to the deal May foolishly accepted. Nothing in 3 plus years - zilch. 

 

And some Brexiters think that's gonna change in a few weeks - 555!

 

He and his cronies either want a no-deal Brexit; or are just completely incompetent!

[stephenterry]

4 minutes ago, ThePioneer said:

Sure you must have seen that, but did you also notice that there was a border in place at those location?

And you could bet your last pound that if a border went up between Eire and NI that would incense both populations, and possibly lead to a re-awakening of the troubles. And then johnson would be in deep <deleted>.

[Baerboxer]

57 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

I take it, this is a troll post?

 

For your information, the UK is in control of how our country is run, even though it doesn't look like the current government is capable of that. As for the British public they can demonstrate and lobby but only parliament can decide what course to take.

 

Go and complain to your MP. Or better still, ask him/her to explain that it's certainly not the EU who runs the UK.

 

Indeed the urban myths and outright lies told by Farage, Gove, BoJo etc etc regarding EU law etc have been swallowed hook, line and sinker by the Brexiter faithful.

 

Most have no clue about how the EU works, how their own constitution works or the interactions between the 2.

 

Just bash the EU with any old nonsense, no need to worry about facts, and they'll applaud like seals waiting for a fish to be thrown!

[stephenterry]

3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

In the early stages, no. See what the other side offers or suggests. But they have that, the backstop and a very bad deal. So yes, Boris and his clowns should put forward their Straw Man. But so far neither he nor any of them have put forward anything. No "Plan B" as promised; no alternative to the backstop or any other amendments to the deal May foolishly accepted. Nothing in 3 plus years - zilch. 

 

And some Brexiters think that's gonna change in a few weeks - 555!

 

He and his cronies either want a no-deal Brexit; or are just completely incompetent!

Whether it was a good or bad deal is superfluous, because it honoured the referendum outcome to leave the EU. And was rejected by their own ERG rebels and DUP.

 

Facts that brexiteers can't accept. Head in the sand lemmings.

[Baerboxer]

50 minutes ago, damascase said:

Public humiliation, because of 75 protesters? Are you sure Boris is in the right profession? If you can’t stand the heat you have no business in the kitchen..............

By the way, this ‘mickey mouse’ state is doing extremely well, unlike the UK.

 

The number is irrelevant. If an EU leader or member state politician came to the UK for a press conference and was confronted by a clearly orchestrated group of Brexiters I doubt they'd act any differently to Boris.

 

I'm no Boris fan but that was bllocks.

 

Luxembourg - ah yes, the country that allows large corporations to avoid tax.

[RAZZELL]

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

That’s a lie. 

 

That’s a lie. 

 

That’s a lie. 

 

That’s a lie. 

 

That’s a lie. 

 

And?

 

I think you're the one that's lying!

 

RAZZ

[welovesundaysatspace]

Just now, RAZZELL said:

 

I think you're the one that's lying!

That’s a lie. 

[RAZZELL]

3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

The number is irrelevant. If an EU leader or member state politician came to the UK for a press conference and was confronted by a clearly orchestrated group of Brexiters I doubt they'd act any differently to Boris.

 

I'm no Boris fan but that was bllocks.

 

Luxembourg - ah yes, the country that allows large corporations to avoid tax.

Yep, nice to take lessons in diplomacy from a country with a population less than the size of Birmingham and whose entire economy is based on facilitating dodgy corporate banking and tax avoidance: 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg_Leaks

 

RAZZ

[Baerboxer]

Just now, stephenterry said:

Whether it was a good or bad deal is superfluous, because it honoured the referendum outcome to leave the EU. And was rejected by their own ERG rebels and DUP.

 

Facts that brexiteers can't accept. Head in the sand lemmings.

 

Of course it's not superfluous! No one would accept such a one sided piece of nonsense. Not remainers, not leavers, not the media, not academics or economists. A tiny group supported it. It was rejected repeatedly across the house.

 

The fact that those favoring leave, and especially a hard exit, can't or won't negotiate is irrelevant. Accepting May's deal would have been ludicrous. The EU were giving nothing, just vague promises and assurances to do their best, sometime, maybe; in return for a very large sum of money demanded up front, whilst still controlling trade agreements, and rules. Not even close to a deal.

[steve187]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Right,  in your idea of democracy, those who disagree with the direction the PM is taking the nation have no right to voice their opinion or demonstrate against the PM, his lies and his deceit?!

 

he is taking the path chosen by the majority who voted in the referendum, so you disagree with their choice, did you vote, i wonder how many of those protesters bothered to vote.

[Caldera]

Boris, just say it one more time and I might just believe you. Really, I mean, considering what a fine and upstanding gentleman you are.

 

????

 

[Baerboxer]

52 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let’s have your evidence that these protests where ‘orchestrated’.

 

Come on, out with it!

 

How did they know the where and when? Why didn't the police move them on?

[JonnyF]

13 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Whether it was a good or bad deal is superfluous, because it honoured the referendum outcome to leave the EU. And was rejected by their own ERG rebels and DUP.

 

Facts that brexiteers can't accept. Head in the sand lemmings.

Didn’t honor the referendum result. We wanted to leave the EU, not pretend to leave.

[bristolboy]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Didn’t honor the referendum result. We wanted to leave the EU, not pretend to leave.

'We" meaning you and like-minded partisans. If there was truly unanimity among Brexiters, why then so many claims about how a favorable deal would emerge from negotiations?

[stephenterry]

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Of course it's not superfluous! No one would accept such a one sided piece of nonsense. Not remainers, not leavers, not the media, not academics or economists. A tiny group supported it. It was rejected repeatedly across the house.

 

The fact that those favoring leave, and especially a hard exit, can't or won't negotiate is irrelevant. Accepting May's deal would have been ludicrous. The EU were giving nothing, just vague promises and assurances to do their best, sometime, maybe; in return for a very large sum of money demanded up front, whilst still controlling trade agreements, and rules. Not even close to a deal.

No doubt you can provide facts to support your assertions, which are currently lacking in substance and making your views less than sensible.  Quoting skewed criticisms in media reports is not facts. Yes, there are flaws in May's agreement, but what could any reasonable person expect? Unravelling decades of EU membership is not a stroll in the park. She honoured the referendum. Full Stop.

 

Also, I doubt any man on the street would give a monkeys, apart from having to fund the billions of wasted costs over the largest folly ever to occur in current times. 

 

It's down to the UK government first and foremost to manage whatever situation they find themselves. And it's sure a hell of a lot better than a no-deal according to practically every material and influential voice outside politics. 

 

To think otherwise, is not thinking.

 

 

 

 

 

[the guest]

5 hours ago, tebee said:

I mean if they really want a deal, the UK must suggest something at least surely ?

They already had the best deal. Seems the politicians in the UK are deaf ! 

[Thaifriends]

Blondie can lie in the UK to his public but not in the EU. So he just left without an excuse. Wow, greatest economy of the world. ????

Actually its first time they had to pay and not collect. ????????

[damascase]

1 hour ago, RAZZELL said:

Yep, nice to take lessons in diplomacy from a country with a population less than the size of Birmingham and whose entire economy is based on facilitating dodgy corporate banking and tax avoidance: 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg_Leaks

 

RAZZ

Oh, you mean they copied those operators in the City?

Yeah, blame everything and everybody, but not BJ.

[roobaa01]

was alcoholic junker sober when he spoke ??? how can an mentally unfit alcoholic negotiate ??

 

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roobaa01

[damascase]

1 minute ago, roobaa01 said:

was alcoholic junker sober when he spoke ??? how can an mentally unfit alcoholic negotiate ??

 

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roobaa01

As BJ didn’t bring any proposals to the table there was nothing to negotiate, I’m afraid. I read reports this morning in which it was said that the participants found Boris’ knowledge of Brexit rather underwhelming (to put it mildly). So it appears he traveled to Luxembourg both empty-handed and empty-minded, as far as ‘seeking a deal’ is concerned,

[tomacht8]

Which trade agreement does the UK want?
Free access to the common market.
No boarders in NI.
The right to make your own trade agreements?
Abolish the free movement of EU persons?
Free access to EU financial markets?
Participation only in selected EU projects, Education, Erasmus, Galileo, Europol, Air traffic control?

There will never be such an agreement.
Otherwise, the EU could immediately dissolve itself.

Why is the UK not seeking a Canada like deal?
That would mean the least possible cooperation with the EU.
Nevertheless, there would be first the task to clarify border issues.

However, such a "simple" Canada deal would take years to finally be negotiated and ratified.
If the UK does not consider realistic time frames, the chaos will continue.

[BobBKK]

Just proves Luxemburg could not organise a press conference. Should be nowhere near protestors. 

[roobaa01]

18 minutes ago, damascase said:

As BJ didn’t bring any proposals to the table there was nothing to negotiate, I’m afraid. I read reports this morning in which it was said that the participants found Boris’ knowledge of Brexit rather underwhelming (to put it mildly). So it appears he traveled to Luxembourg both empty-handed and empty-minded, as far as ‘seeking a deal’ is concerned,

what im aiming at was .....juncker has never been elected in a public vote by the eu people, hence he does not have a mandate, whereas bj trump has at least the peoples' backup through the referrendum brexit.

 

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roobaa01

[BobBKK]

Just now, roobaa01 said:

what im aiming at was .....juncker has never been elected in a public vote by the eu people, hence he does not have a mandate, whereas bj trump has at least the peoples' backup through the referrendum brexit.

 

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roobaa01

yes but a GE would determine it forever IF Labour made a decision!  Tory Leave, Labour 2nd vote, Libs Remain

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, mercman24 said:

the EU using IRELAND as an excuse, there are many EU countries that share a border with none EU countries, i did see it somewhere, but not to hand at this moment. and no problems at all. more scaremongering from the EU

Of the shared borders that do not have a freedom of movement or customs arrangement, tell us which ones do not have a hard border.

It should be quite easy. there are only 7, Bosnia,Albania.Serbia,Moldova,Ukraine, Belarus and Macedonia, an EU candidate.

[sandyf]

17 minutes ago, roobaa01 said:

what im aiming at was .....juncker has never been elected in a public vote by the eu people, hence he does not have a mandate, whereas bj trump has at least the peoples' backup through the referrendum brexit.

 

wbr

roobaa01

Are you trying to say that the appointment of the EU Commission President is not ratified by the EU parliament, the representatives of the EU people.

 

None of the UK cabinet are voted into office by the people, but of course that is different, it is the UK way or the highway.

[Opl]

37 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Just proves Luxemburg could not organise a press conference. Should be nowhere near protestors. 

Just proves Luxemburg did not really had to organise a press conference due to the lack of susbstance; at least there were protestors.

[roobaa01]

5 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Are you trying to say that the appointment of the EU Commission President is not ratified by the EU parliament, the representatives of the EU people.

 

None of the UK cabinet are voted into office by the people, but of course that is different, it is the UK way or the highway.

the candidate for the eu commission president is selected by the eu state heads, hence the whole process is a scharade. ursula von der leyen is as political impotent as juncker.

 

wbr

roobaa01

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

'We" meaning you and like-minded partisans. If there was truly unanimity among Brexiters, why then so many claims about how a favorable deal would emerge from negotiations?

We wanted a trade deal, not a withdrawal deal. I assume you know the difference. I have no interest paying 39 Billion for SFA and being tied to the EU via the backstop until they decide we can go. No interest whatsoever.

 

What we need now is a clean break Brexit, then we'll give the EU a few months to stop sulking, to get over the shock of us leaving, see how much THEY can benefit from a trade deal with the UK and then we can talk.

 

If they don't want a trade deal we can trade under WTO with the EU and continue finalizing the trade deals we have lined up elsewhere. If the EU wants their 69 Billion trade surplus to continue, they will have to stop sulking and come to talk, they will have learnt by then that we are prepared to walk from a bad deal.