Compulsory insurance shelved: Ministry don't t want to spook tourists at sensitive time

[Max69xl]

12 minutes ago, Nowisee said:

That reasoning for shelving it clearly sheds light on the real reason for wanting it in the first place.
This place is full of greedy hogs at the trough.

I don't think you know the reason for wanting it in the first place. You don't seem like a guy reading newspapers. 

[Mavideol]

On 9/17/2019 at 11:09 AM, webfact said:

Compulsory insurance shelved: Ministry don't t want to spook tourists

finally a good decision...they already spook a lot of tourists with their out of reach Baht, all the IMO controversial visa related restrictions, accidents and so forth,  better not add another one

[Max69xl]

3 hours ago, zaZa9 said:

Can you show me where it definitely indicates that ?

Well, did you read the headline?

"Compulsory insurance shelved: Ministry don't t want to spook tourists at sensitive time".

This is not about the proposed mandatory health insurance for people on Long Stay O-A Visas. 

[Melbun]

1 hour ago, Chelseafan said:

Why would anyone WANT to use their insurance.

 

Dumb answer mate, "Why would anyone NOT want to use their insurance" ??????????????????

[Chelseafan]

9 minutes ago, Melbun said:

Dumb answer mate, "Why would anyone NOT want to use their insurance" ??????????????????

What I meant was that whilst I take out insurance it's something I never want to have to use.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, Melbun said:

Dumb answer mate, "Why would anyone NOT want to use their insurance" ??????????????????

 

Maybe I missed something along the way, but it was never clear to me from the original reporting on the so-called tourist insurance surcharge that the money people paid was actually going to provide them any actual coverage.

 

Instead, at least as I understood the original plan, it was going to be charged at whatever small amount they were talking about for EVERY arriving tourist, and then that money SUPPOSEDLY was going to go to offset the unreimbursed expenses govt. hospitals are incurring for treating uninsured farangs.

 

That's a whole different matter than the farang tourist walking into a govt. hospital and saying OK treat me, I paid the tourist insurance fee at the airport, so now I'm entitled to free medical treatment.  I never understood that latter notion to be part of their plan.

 

[Huckenfell]

On 9/17/2019 at 12:24 PM, petermik said:

shut that door...don,t let the horse get out.....oops too late......hang some carrots nearby,maybe it will come back

No wonder they don't like changing things, because as soon as they do, idiots come out and take the <deleted>.

[Huckenfell]

On 9/17/2019 at 4:10 PM, Trollmann said:

But what about the new price increases (up to 889%) in Governments hospitals from the end of this month?

and double prices for foreigners on top of that! 

 

Well, without Insurance now it can be expensive if you have a accident in thailand

 

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What will this do for the "Medical Tourism" industry

[Huckenfell]

On 9/17/2019 at 5:14 PM, Max69xl said:

This is not about the mandatory insurance for long stayers. It's about the travel insurance and they proposed a cost of 20 baht/person.

~38% of the UK tourists don't have a travel insurance. 

Surely that would have been fair enough and give some peace of mind.

[Huckenfell]

17 hours ago, reargunnerph3 said:

Why doesn't the Thai government introduced a inexpensive health insurance scheme for foreigners? Could be a good earner.

At least for older ex-pats who are , say 70 plus. As the greedy insurance companies take advantage .

[Huckenfell]

16 hours ago, Melbun said:

OMG this has been discussed ad nauseum. Most likely older people would use it, subsequently putting a big strain on the hospital/medical system in Thailand. Also, it would set an undesirable precedent - in that foreigners with a whole raft of health issues, would be able to come to retire in Thailand, without penalty, and use/abuse the health system. Common sense mate.

But perhaps you are wrong and all older ex-pats who have payed their way all their lives do not have the same mindset as yours.  Mate .

 

[Huckenfell]

39 minutes ago, Huckenfell said:

Surely that would have been fair enough and give some peace of mind.

Now that it has been explained by TGJohnny i guess i misunderstood the reason for the 20 bht so called insurance.

[Max69xl]

10 hours ago, Melbun said:

Dumb answer mate, "Why would anyone NOT want to use their insurance" ??????????????????

I don't think you understood what he meant. Was it so hard,really? Try again. 

[Max69xl]

52 minutes ago, Huckenfell said:

But perhaps you are wrong and all older ex-pats who have payed their way all their lives do not have the same mindset as yours.  Mate .

 

Why talk about older expats,when this is about an insurance for ordinary tourists? 

[Melbun]

4 hours ago, Huckenfell said:

But perhaps you are wrong and all older ex-pats who have payed their way all their lives do not have the same mindset as yours.  Mate .

 

No need to get offended or take me to task on that statement. Clearly, the Thai government knows the reasoning and has the statistics to  compulsorily impose health insurance for all Stop being a cry baby - if you want special treatment go back from whence you came Mate !!

[Melbun]

4 hours ago, Huckenfell said:

What will this do for the "Medical Tourism" industry

OMG - Medical tourism ?? medical tourism ?? - that's a red herring - who gives a ....

In case you don't know - if you want a boob job or any other job, you are contracted and have to pay for these service in cash out of your pocket. Answer: Who knows what it will do. Maybe people will be sought after in other 3rd world countries.

[justin case]

On 9/17/2019 at 12:15 PM, overherebc said:

I'm 50/50 on this.

I have insurance for here ( accident ) but even if we travel to other countries we always buy some kind of insurance.

I really don't understand those that come here from UK USA for example, on holiday who don't buy any insurance in any way.

Or buy it and don't read it re' falling off a rented bike etc when they don't even have a bike licence at home. Been a few stories on that on TV.

because in socialst countries like europe

 

you have health insurance for your home country and it also covers international travel, but have to pay out of pocket first

 

strange concept right

 

they only steal 50 percent of your gross salary and pay 21 percent tax on everything

 

leaving you with 29 percent net of your salary

 

in exchange you get a small pension, unless you worked for the government or big golden parachute for CEO's that already got 1000x the salary of a normal blue collar worker that actually did work

[overherebc]

7 minutes ago, justin case said:

because in socialst countries like europe

 

you have health insurance for your home country and it also covers international travel, but have to pay out of pocket first

 

strange concept right

 

they only steal 50 percent of your gross salary and pay 21 percent tax on everything

 

leaving you with 29 percent net of your salary

 

in exchange you get a small pension, unless you worked for the government or big golden parachute for CEO's that already got 1000x the salary of a normal blue collar worker that actually did work

Don't know where you're from but 50% income tax????

[Max69xl]

3 minutes ago, justin case said:

because in socialst countries like europe

 

you have health insurance for your home country and it also covers international travel, but have to pay out of pocket first

 

strange concept right

 

they only steal 50 percent of your gross salary and pay 21 percent tax on everything

 

leaving you with 29 percent net of your salary

 

in exchange you get a small pension, unless you worked for the government or big golden parachute for CEO's that already got 1000x the salary of a normal blue collar worker that actually did work

Where did you read that bs?

We don't pay anything out of pocket first. So,I guess you're one of those whining guys on TVF who can't afford anything. I do hope you fall of your motorbike one day and need to go to hospital. Maybe then you'll understand why tourists should have a travel insurance. 

[Max69xl]

Just now, overherebc said:

Don't know where you're from but 50% income tax????

He must come from the US. That's where they hate taxes and insurances. 

[DrTuner]

57 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Don't know where you're from but 50% income tax????

My tax in Finland when I left was, if I recall correctly, 38 percent and for each addititional euro the margin rate was 52%. I must've paid for health care & co for 20 people. Buggers didn't even give me the tax payer of the year award. 

 

Socialism might be easy but it sure isn't cheap.

[overherebc]

2 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

My tax in Finland when I left was, if I recall correctly, 38 percent and for each addititional euro the margin rate was 52%. I must've paid for health care & co for 20 people. Buggers didn't even give me the tax payer of the year award. 

 

Socialism might be easy but it sure isn't cheap.

I always say a socialist is someone who has nothing but will share equally with you.

[Hoppyone]

This report also confirms tourism this year is on is on track with 40 million tourists expected,another figure picked out the hat I would expect 

[essox essox]

On 9/17/2019 at 12:01 PM, BobbyL said:

He said that Thailand tourism was facing a difficult time at present

 

I thought they released last week saying that the August figures were up ????

they you are they have no idea at all, HAVE THEY....one day it is this the next day it is that !!!

[Max69xl]

52 minutes ago, essox essox said:

they you are they have no idea at all, HAVE THEY....one day it is this the next day it is that !!!

They know the exact numbers,but for some reason the boss for TAT comes up with fake numbers.

Several districts in Thailand have reported 30-50% less reservations compared to last year.

Thai Airways lost >6 billion baht the first 6 months this year. 

[Sujo]

On 9/18/2019 at 5:39 AM, Melbun said:

 

One word explains these people that travel without insurance.............. DUMB

I have never had insurance for anything in my life. That includes medical.

 

Dumb or not, its my choice and Im happy with it.

[Max69xl]

31 minutes ago, Sujo said:

I have never had insurance for anything in my life. That includes medical.

 

Dumb or not, its my choice and Im happy with it.

I shouldn't brag about it if I were you because it doesn't make you look like the smartest guy on the planet. 

[NoComment]

Good news for those unsrupulous people that realize that coming to LOS and going into the "begging sites" receiving more money than they actually need..

Or am I just being cynical?

[garyk]

On 9/19/2019 at 11:25 PM, Sujo said:

I have never had insurance for anything in my life. That includes medical.

 

Dumb or not, its my choice and Im happy with it.

I am the same, well kinda. I keep a few extra dollars for self insure. I have been in a Thai hospital many times because of my lifestyle, never a problem. Colombia is the same. I priced the insurance and decided I was better off self insured when I travel.

Same with my home here in the states. Dropped it when I paid it off. Insurance is a huge lucrative business, I choose not to participate as much as possible.

Actually I have saved over 15K dollars by not insuring my home for the last 10 years, health insurance I have saved over 35K easy.  I need to start putting that money in the bank again monthly to build back up. At one time I had over 100,000 in that account. Now I have spent it, time to start over... haha

I look at it this way, I keep enough to fix broken bones, hospital stays for a few months if I have to. And enough to get me back home. If it I die, enough to bury me. If I am hurt where I am not able to move or in a coma or something, then I am better off dead. So, they can unplug me and I will be happy with that.

Not only that but on my last trip I explored nursing homes and assisted living in foreign countries. I have a monthly income as most do here to live my life in a nice place until I die.  As long as I am not in America I am in good shape. With no insurance what so ever.

[Sujo]

On 9/20/2019 at 1:00 PM, Max69xl said:

I shouldn't brag about it if I were you because it doesn't make you look like the smartest guy on the planet. 

Well unless you are a socialist why should u have to get insurance.

 

Sure doesnt make me dumb by saving the premiums instead.