hansnl Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 2 hours ago, londonthai said: it's governments nationalistic, xenophobic attitude and policies, which drive off expats and, equally, long term tourists. the present growing statistics for arrivals are for chinese, indian, malaysian, who are coming for just few days of shopping. They might be coming several times per year and might be buying goods, but don't go to resorts, spas, tourist places Chinese tend to go to a certain place only once, then it is off to the next spot of short interest. It might be only the western tourists that return several times or change into expats. And it is just those that are effectively shying away because of many things that are not really welcoming. Double pricing in state hospitals is the next thing that will help expats to decide to go elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StayinThailand2much Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Yeah, here we go again with the old blame game... Wonder, whether the minister has heard of the old adage that three fingers point back at you when you point at others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkdenver Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Never the fault of anything here how could it be los is perfect der well we will see I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticky Wicket Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Saint Nick said: You know? Pray tell! Seriously! I am here for 12 years now and I still have no actual clue, why this law exists! It's to stop kids buying booze after school! Thaksin introduced it. The thing is the places where kids buy from is the Mom and Pop stores who sell 24/7!! You couldn't make this <deleted> up. A lot of these blanket,knee jerk policies that are utterly useless You can't buy alcohol on a train either Why? Because a drug crazed employee of Thai railways, an employee not a customer raped and killed a young girl and threw her out of the window near Hua Hin. Rather than scrutinize their own recruitment policies they decided that there was to be no more booze on ANY trains. Mind boggling, incompetent and down right laziness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansnl Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 58 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: No, no, no, no, no. Thailand is to blame for Thailand's tourism woes. This was self inflicted. It is typical of these small people in the administration to deflect, and refuse to take responsibility for problems of their own creation. That is so inane, and weak on their part. The high baht is only part of the problem. Brexit and other factors is a small part of this catastrophe facing the nation here. As stated previously, these are just a few ways Thailand shot itself in the foot, when it comes to tourism. Thailand thought the country was something very special, and was he center of the known universe, and that nobody would ever say no, or find alternative places to visit. The fact is that there are countless other spots, many in this region, that offer better service, more expertise in food and beverage (especially wine service and selection at fair prices, which rich tourists demand), reasonable import duties to sustain a luxury goods market, better training, and far better english skills. Thailand simply lost sight of the big picture, and had very little vision, with regard to big spending tourists, who need to be catered to, instead of scorned. There are countless things the government could be doing, if they wanted to attract the high quality tourists. The very first thing would be to repeal the anti fareng wine bill, that was passed by a few very corrupt senators way back when, to protect an anemic and truly pathetic local wine industry. They are losing billions of dollars a year in revenue, that could be had from a 100% wine duty, instead of over 300%. The five star hotels would have major wine events, and the entire industry would flourish here. If you are a rich tourist, spending $600 a night at the Banyan Tree in Bangkok, it is difficult to even find someone to have an intelligent conversation with, about the intricacies, the best vintages, and the qualities of the wine you want to order, here in Thailand. The expertise in F & B is really lacking. Same applies to luxury tax. If it were reasonable, Thailand would be able to attract rich tourists from around the world, who want to spend $25,000 on luxury goods, while on vacation. Will they buy a Prada handbag here for $16,000, that costs $5,000 in Singapore, Hong Kong, Macau, London, New York, Paris, Rome, Milan, Monaco, Prague, Moscow, Istanbul, or Dubai? Of course not. What will they do? They will choose any one of those spots, and others for vacation, and Thailand will never even be discussed. Sorry to say, but the high spending tourists are lost for good. They WILL NOT come back to Thailand, for a dozen different reasons. High spending tourists are not, in any way, beneficial to any country, only bring money into the pockets of a few already very rich people. The money comes in from people returning regularly to the country, stay there for their yearly holiday, and spend money freely in the local economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerojero Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Yes of course the sky high Baht has absolutely nothing to do with it. Stupid world Economy. Why do world make problem for Thailand tourism. Bad world Economy, bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend49 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Tayaout said: There we go again! Not my ploblem I'm Thai. Its a world ploblem ( according to Thainess 101) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sticky Wicket said: It's to stop kids buying booze after school! Thaksin introduced it. I think it was introduced way before his time..though yes it made a come back during his time...then was slowly but eventually (mostly) ignored until "the democratic soldier" seized power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somtamnication Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Looks like their brains had fluctuations and contractions. These people simply refuse to introspect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaurene Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 This is old. This was onThai VISA some days or week back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brer Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Quote Vietnam's Visitor Arrivals grew 14.3 % in Aug 2019, compared with an increase of 10.7 % in the previous month. Damn the world economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Expat forum: Thai inadeptness and kowtowing to China to blame for Thailand's tourism woes. No need for poll. They got one thing right though. Thailand's problem is the rest of the world, they can't sell their BS outside the borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dario Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Oh yeah! World economy ... of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solinvictus Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Denial. This place is nuts as to the extent of inability to recognize the need for blame and improvement in one's self or others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StayinThailand2much Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Somtamnication said: Looks like their brains had fluctuations and contractions. These people simply refuse to introspect! Brains? What brains? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhill Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 3 hours ago, jackdd said: But a few days ago they just announced that the numbers are up, so what are they talking about? Why you no understand? They are 'arriving' but not 'touring'!!! These arrivals, arrive at the airport but then mysteriously disappear!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticky Wicket Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 16 minutes ago, johng said: I think it was introduced way before his time..though yes it made a come back during his time...then was slowly but eventually (mostly) ignored until "the democratic soldier" seized power. It's even crazier in that 7/11 won't allow sales but Family Mart will. There is no common sense at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbus Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 If these highly qualified educated people were doing their job correctly of sustainable tourism, and offering the blame game, that's just sad. Tourism has always been one of the attractive and interesting kinds of time spending for millions of people coming here over the decades, so these ranking people should go abroad and spend time in other countries and see what other means are available to Thailand, other than sitting in meetings arranging meeting on those meeting to conclude that the problem is the world economy. Forward thinking brain process does not happen here, just a sticking plaster just to let others think they are so on the mark with global issues. Funny individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catch104 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 of course, can only be external reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Henry Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Just more nonsense.Vietnam,Cambodia don't seem to have the problems Thailand has.OPPS sorry maybe they are on another planet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 29 minutes ago, hansnl said: High spending tourists are not, in any way, beneficial to any country, only bring money into the pockets of a few already very rich people. The money comes in from people returning regularly to the country, stay there for their yearly holiday, and spend money freely in the local economy. All of which has been on the decline for 10 years now. A "low baht" Chinese tourist spending 100 baht for juice and chips in a 7/11 does not register on any scale. High spending tourists are of a huge benefit to the economy. I had some friends who would come here, and spend upwards of $30,000 to $50,000 in ten days here. Fairly hard to argue that did not benefit an awful lot of people. Those people do not come to Thailand any more. There are a dozen good reasons for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex8912 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Paul Henry said: Just more nonsense.Vietnam,Cambodia don't seem to have the problems Thailand has.OPPS sorry maybe they are on another planet? You are right but it’s for BOTH tourism and business. I’m with 2 dozen + Thais right now in Italy many of them are hotel owners and have tourist boats etc in Thailand. The ones that have business hotels say that the govt is just tooo slow and business is going especially to Vietnam but Cambodia as well. They say the Japanese want things to move much quicker and they simply wait a little ( they are patient to a point) and go elsewhere. She says her business hotels are suffering near industrial areas. The ones in tourist areas are just saying business is pathetic. Everything here ( in Thailand ) goes at a snails pace and in fact no one is WAITING for Thailand anymore! The snails will wait at least another year or two or three and of course it’s too late. It’s quite sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Over the past few years, agencies responsible like the Tourism Authority of Thailand have taken little action to solve problems dragging the industry down. Scams still flourish among tourist service providers, with taxi drivers just the tip of the iceberg. Poor safety standards on public transport and patchy services in local provinces, along with the system of dual-pricing, act as powerful deterrents for potential visitors. City authorities have yet to come up with solid measures to curb the hazardous pollutant's main source, which is traffic congestion, not to mention the incredibly toxic brew that is stirred up at least twice a year, during sugar cane burning season. The fact that the authorities are now targeting tourists from China, as well as India, by offering travelers from the two Asian giants free visas on arrival, suggests that Thailand has suffered a dip in visitors from traditional markets, especially Europe. Meanwhile, onerous requirements for expatriates to report their movements under the now notorious TM30 rules are exacerbating the problem by deterring domestic tourism. Marketing tactics will be useless in luring back visitors as long as tourism authorities and related agencies fail to recognise and root out the factors causing the setback. Chief among these are unscrupulous individuals and businesses for whom tourists are merely targets for exploitation. Meanwhile, until they get serious about promoting sustainable tourism, the decline will continue. When these horrendously under qualified individuals at the tourism ministry attempt to shift blame for their Shakespearean level of incompetence, and blame the Thai baht, or the European economy, all they are doing is deflecting and avoiding taking even one iota of responsibility for the woes that face the nation, and the millions of Thai people who derive an income from tourism. Why? They are too small to accept that what they have been doing has not worked, and that they have been totally incapable to addressing the countless issues keeping tourist away. They are practicing face. And in the process, they are openly and without awareness, telling the nation they do not take their faith seriously. Why? Face is no doubt, the greatest form of weakness, a human can engage in. Many will say it is societal, cultural, etc. No matter. It is the absolute and complete lack of the ability to introspect, and look within for the source of any problem, shortcoming, conflict, or issue. It is the polar opposite of spirituality, and therefore an absolute scourge on Buddha, and all of the precepts he taught. By practicing face, you are denying your spiritual heritage. You are refusing to man up. To take responsibility for your actions. If a man or a woman cannot, and will not take responsibility for their actions, the problems they create, the mistakes they make, and the issues they involve themselves in, what are they? Are they still an adult? Are they a complete individual, if they allow themselves to be limited by such infinitely small social convention? Buddha taught that to look within for the source of the problem, was a very noble quality, and was at the very foundation of the Buddhist faith. He also taught of the need for daily contemplation and meditation. Looking within. Who cares what people think of you? For those of us with high self esteem, it just does not matter. Sure, close friends and family. But strangers on the street? Who gives a rat's butt about this? It means nothing what they think, nor what they say about you. They count for nothing. They are just people, and people you do not know, nor will ever see again. Face is rife with self doubt, and by subscribing to this weakness, and man or woman is made a far lesser person. For those of us with high self esteem, we know who we are. What others think, what society thinks, what a guy or gal thinks, means less than zero. Real men or women, simply own a situation, and take responsibility for their errors or mistakes. Small men, social deviants, or emotional adolescents deflect, obfuscate, attempt to confuse, and do everything in their power to deny that they made a mistake, or that they are responsible in any way, or on any level. They make up narratives about fake news, or alternative facts. Anything to avoid looking within, for the source of the problem. Anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natway09 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 They need to have a look inward NOW & get out & have a look at their own country. It is filthy, sewerage on the beaches & the Thai service providers are hell bent on ripping people off. Europeans are staying away in droves & they are the ones that bring the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brer Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 18 minutes ago, Columbus said: If these highly qualified educated people were doing their job correctly of sustainable tourism, and offering the blame game, that's just sad. Tourism has always been one of the attractive and interesting kinds of time spending for millions of people coming here over the decades, so these ranking people should go abroad and spend time in other countries and see what other means are available to Thailand, other than sitting in meetings arranging meeting on those meeting to conclude that the problem is the world economy. Forward thinking brain process does not happen here, just a sticking plaster just to let others think they are so on the mark with global issues. Funny individuals. They are going abroad and spending time in other countries. Dont you know with the high baht you can buy many IPads, Galaxy note 10’s, handbags, watches really cheap as you go shopping overseas, I meant study tourism overseas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitzcaraldo Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 he is partly right , europe economy is quite bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbbooboo Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Hmmm....blame the world instead of looking at yourself.TIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phungo Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 You know? Pray tell! Seriously! I am here for 12 years now and I still have no actual clue, why this law exists!what is the law you guys are referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiman123 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 He could be right look at Argentina and other spots on the world Not good now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkgriz Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Ah, the dart hit blame the world economy. I traveled for six weeks this summer. I just chose to spend my time and money in more interesting and worth while places. The shine has come off Thailand. Expect more to vote with their feet and wallets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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