rooster59 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 UK Conservatives hold significant lead over Labour: poll Conservative party members stage a demonstration outside the party's headquarters in London, Britain, September 4, 2019. REUTERS/Henry Nicholls LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s Conservative party has a 15 percentage-point lead over the opposition Labour Party, according to a poll published on Saturday, ahead of a possible national election aimed at breaking the impasse over Brexit. The Conservatives garnered 37% in the Opinium poll for the center-left Observer newspaper, while Labour took 22%. Reporting by Costas Pitas; Editing by Hugh Lawson -- © Copyright Reuters 2019-09-22 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksidedog Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 What this article doesn't mention is the Lib Dems running a solid third and Brexit Party and UKIP slipping away. With Labours policy resembling a reed in the wind, Lib Dems could pick up more, but that Tory lead looks hard to crack. An election is still a little way off though and as they say, a week is a long time in politics. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/21/labour-resurgent-liberal-democrat-headache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGareth2 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 What a disaster, The should have went with a hard Brexit right away. By now they would have been well on the way to recovery and have lots of new trade deals. Of course the globalists wouldn't have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Let's imagine the conservatives would have a majority. And then? They had kind of a majority for the last couple of years and what did they achieve? They exchanged one useless PM with another useless PM. Same same - but different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, canuckamuck said: What a disaster, The should have went with a hard Brexit right away. By now they would have been well on the way to recovery and have lots of new trade deals. Of course the globalists wouldn't have it. You complain about the globalists but at the same time you mention all those new trade deals. What do you think is the idea about trade deals? Maybe global trading? And why do you imagine the little UK will be able to make somehow better deals than the big EU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: You complain about the globalists but at the same time you mention all those new trade deals. What do you think is the idea about trade deals? Maybe global trading? And why do you imagine the little UK will be able to make somehow better deals than the big EU? Sovereignty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Today, Labour headlining proposal to Scrap Ofsted and replace it with another quango if in government. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49783047 Why... Hurting too many 3rd rate teachers? Hurting too many illegal schools ? https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-illegal-schools-investigated-ofsted-16120349 Want a new quango to pack with paid jobs for political activists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 52 minutes ago, canuckamuck said: Sovereignty That is a good idea. But is it realistic? I.e. if the UK wants to do a trade deal with the USA how much of that sovereignty will you have to give up to get a deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 54 minutes ago, Basil B said: Today, Labour headlining proposal to Scrap Ofsted and replace it with another quango if in government. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49783047 Why... Hurting too many 3rd rate teachers? Hurting too many illegal schools ? https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-illegal-schools-investigated-ofsted-16120349 Want a new quango to pack with paid jobs for political activists? The NUT was always very left wing. Many teachers I know are Momentum / SWP supporters. They want the freedom to indoctrinate, or try very hard to, their pupils with their political ideology. Labor are the party that often say the opposite of what they really want. They don't want a well educated clever electorate. They want one they can easily lead and employ for the good of the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: That is a good idea. But is it realistic? I.e. if the UK wants to do a trade deal with the USA how much of that sovereignty will you have to give up to get a deal? None. But if you want to be America's friend, in the current climate, you have to support them. The EU will likely behave very similarly if the increased move towards federal status happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamini Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said: You complain about the globalists but at the same time you mention all those new trade deals. What do you think is the idea about trade deals? Maybe global trading? And why do you imagine the little UK will be able to make somehow better deals than the big EU? because they are still living in the past, and dream about the Empire. they don't realise that if the UK hadn't joined the EU it would never have gained the financial status that it has now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 32 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: That is a good idea. But is it realistic? I.e. if the UK wants to do a trade deal with the USA how much of that sovereignty will you have to give up to get a deal? They have they right to choose what is best for the nation. Pretty obvious. If they choose to give up some sovereignty for your hypothetical situation. That is better than not having any in the first place and doing something because you have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iem Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 The UK got it's financial status from the days when commodities etc were traded in pounds . Before that was handed to the USA at Bretton Woods . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Says a lot about the state of Labour and in particular Corbyn that he is less popular that this rotting dung-heap of a government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 If full umbilical severance isn't delivered on 31 Oct the poll to look out for will be the one between Farage and the also-rans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabhand Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 I bet this poll, and the previous Opinion poll also showing a double digit Tory lead, caused a great deal of wailing and gnashing of teeth in Guardian Towers. Although they have done their best to spike the news by keeping it well away from the front page and having a headline attached that gives no sign of such a poor poll for the lefties. It also gives the lie to those who consider that polling companies are biased towards their clients. Further evidence of this is the recent poll commissioned by the Daily Express which only had the Tories 1% above Labour. Though, this will not prevent others from claiming biases when polls do not go in their favour, as evidenced by the recent Scotland Indy poll by Survation which had the Indies at a lowly 41% and caused such a stooshie amongst Nat supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knee Jerk Reaction Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, Iem said: The UK got it's financial status from the days when commodities etc were traded in pounds . Before that was handed to the USA at Bretton Woods . That's true, and it all began with sugar grown in the West Indies. The immense revenue generated from the crop helped to fund colonial development and the industrial revolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazes Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 A lovely irony of our very recent history is that the tide has turned: who would ever have thought that the Conservative Party would become the protector of the working class? The UK workers have been abandoned by the Left, just as in the US the Democrats (though not Bernie Sanders) abandoned them in 2016 (in the "fly-over" states). Labour Remainers will drift to the Lib Dems (or Greens if the odour is too overpowering in the Lib-Dem party), and many who voted for the Brexit Party in the Euro elections will drift back to the Tories. If Boris can solve the Paddy problem, the Tories will be in power for a generation..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puck2 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 37 minutes ago, samran said: Says a lot about the state of Labour and in particular Corbyn that he is less popular that this rotting dung-heap of a government. Some time before I mentioned here on TV: May - not the best PM, means low quality Corbyn - not the best man/people on the top of the LP Johnson is a wimp. A big mistake of the Labour Party, not changing the leader. Will cost the party a big loss of votes. Hopefully the Libs will win more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesimps Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 3 hours ago, canuckamuck said: What a disaster, The should have went with a hard Brexit right away. By now they would have been well on the way to recovery and have lots of new trade deals. Of course the globalists wouldn't have it. Blame the remainer dragon lady for that. The worst PM in Tory history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesimps Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 3 hours ago, canuckamuck said: What a disaster, The should have went with a hard Brexit right away. By now they would have been well on the way to recovery and have lots of new trade deals. Of course the globalists wouldn't have it. Blame the remainer dragon lady for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 3 hours ago, darksidedog said: What this article doesn't mention is the Lib Dems running a solid third and Brexit Party and UKIP slipping away. With Labours policy resembling a reed in the wind, Lib Dems could pick up more, but that Tory lead looks hard to crack. An election is still a little way off though and as they say, a week is a long time in politics. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/21/labour-resurgent-liberal-democrat-headache Depends when the elections will be. And if there will be a no-deal Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Muton Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 2 hours ago, canuckamuck said: Sovereignty Stop changing the subject, it was you who brought up trade deals. I guess the question "And why do you imagine the little UK will be able to make somehow better deals than the big EU?" ....was too uncomfortable for you. Let's consider the recent evidence about who's better when it comes to negotiating deals. Now, if only I could remember the outcome of the EU/UK negotiations oner the past three years........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesimps Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 There are only two truly democratic parties in the UK, the Tories and the BP, because they're trying to carry out the will of the people, whereas the others are trying to buck it. The people will always have the last say and this is being shown in the latest opinion poll. In all the reports in the media, the one thing which never seems to be mentioned any longer is what the majority of the people voted for, which was to leave. Whether this is good, bad or indifferent, it's what the people want and these wishes should therefore be carried out. If I were Boris, the next time someone tried to criticise me over Brexit I'd say "I'm just trying to carry out the wishes of the British public as per the result of the democratic referendum". Bu-bum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 15 minutes ago, Blue Muton said: Stop changing the subject, it was you who brought up trade deals. I guess the question "And why do you imagine the little UK will be able to make somehow better deals than the big EU?" ....was too uncomfortable for you. Let's consider the recent evidence about who's better when it comes to negotiating deals. Now, if only I could remember the outcome of the EU/UK negotiations oner the past three years........... I will make it less obscure. The UK acting as a sovereign nation will be able to make better deals for the UK because they represent the UK specifically. And they will be able to avoid deals that are bad for them as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Muton Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 52 minutes ago, canuckamuck said: I will make it less obscure. The UK acting as a sovereign nation will be able to make better deals for the UK because they represent the UK specifically. And they will be able to avoid deals that are bad for them as well. So, with your intimate knowledge of these things, which countries and for which sectors do you think they should go for first? A UK government representative said this week that New Zealand was a top priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puipuitom Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 4 hours ago, canuckamuck said: Sovereignty Ah.. so the UK is also going to leave from WTO, WHO, UN, FIFA, Olympic Committee etc, as.. all reduce your 100% sovereignty a little. And in the EU council, the only decission body, the PM of the UK can have a word about what all other EU member states do. From 1 Nov onwards.. NOTHING anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Garvie Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 5 hours ago, Basil B said: Today, Labour headlining proposal to Scrap Ofsted and replace it with another quango if in government. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49783047 Why... Hurting too many 3rd rate teachers? Hurting too many illegal schools ? https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-illegal-schools-investigated-ofsted-16120349 Want a new quango to pack with paid jobs for political activists? They want the job to be done by local councils, and offsted type "Specialists" only if it is serious. Once again the function of the state is to protect state workers from scrutiny. Very 1970s, Corbyn will be very happy with the idea. Years ago I and many others complained about a really bad school teacher in the local Primary. She was untouchable, the school closed ranks to protect her. Nationalise the power industry, really, give consumers no choice, all of a sudden the person who answers the phone will treat you like dirt - they know they are unsackable. It reminds me of the Yes Minister line "The official secrets act is there to protect officials, not secrets". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruntoid Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 2 hours ago, canuckamuck said: I will make it less obscure. The UK acting as a sovereign nation will be able to make better deals for the UK because they represent the UK specifically. And they will be able to avoid deals that are bad for them as well. They also won’t be able to offer the concessions, discounts, incentives or scale due to their much smaller GDP than their bigger cousins that they’re just about to walk away from, whom I’m guessing, will be ultra competitive in the not too distant future. Basic economics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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